Who is Mauloch?

lihentian

Mauloch is Malacath??? am a bit confused, i thought Malacath is consider to be one of the good daedric prince.. why would i help boethia to pervent his summoning ritual?? confused.. also why would the worm cult want to summon Malacath? they certainlly not orc nor orgre...

Obscure

It's a long story...

Suffice it to say Trinimac and Boethia had a misunderstanding a very very long time ago...it didn't go well for Trinimac. He's gone by a couple different names ever since.


And there's no such thing as a "good" Daedric prince. They have no concept of morality.

Robo_Hobo

Malauch is just another name he's called sometimes, and good and evil are subjective matters of perspective.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Obscure wrote: »

And there's no such thing as a "good" Daedric prince. They have no concept of morality.

Meridia and Molag Bal are patently motivated by and view things in entirely different ways which can perfectly well be equated to 'mortals' views of 'morality': Meridia is clearly 'good' and Bal 'evil'.

Shunravi

Well, good and evil are rather subjective in TES lore regarding the Daedra.... They act according to their sphere of influence, and are not bound by the morality of mortality.

But as to why Boethia would want to stop his summoning... Well, they have a history. Malacath was once Trinimac untill he clashed with Boethia.

The cultists could have any number of reasons for the summoning. I'm not sure if it was said why ingame....

Annyways, here's the lore:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Malacath

michael_bimson

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

And there's no such thing as a "good" Daedric prince. They have no concept of morality.

Meridia and Molag Bal are patently motivated by and view things in entirely different ways which can perfectly well be equated to 'mortals' views of 'morality': Meridia is clearly 'good' and Bal 'evil'.

Meridia hates undead, but that doesn't make her 'good'. She'd quite happily obliterate a bunch of innocent people to destroy some undead.

Zhoyzu

From what I can tell after 4 installments of TES he's the same guy as malacanth. The daedric prince recognized by the rest of tamriel. Malouch is just the orcs name for him. In the lore they are closely related (lore wise). I think orcs attribute their existence to him.

Obscure

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

And there's no such thing as a "good" Daedric prince. They have no concept of morality.

Meridia and Molag Bal are patently motivated by and view things in entirely different ways which can perfectly well be equated to 'mortals' views of 'morality': Meridia is clearly 'good' and Bal 'evil'.

The Daedra simply are, the Daedra simply do. They are like forces of nature. A hurricane isn't bad nor good, nor does it particularly care what mortals might label it. A hurricane is just as likely to bring needed rain water to end a drought, where it's considered "good" by mortals, as it is likely to continue on that same path obliterating a whole city elsewhere, where it is considered "bad". Mortals project notions of good and evil on the Daedra, worthless labels the Daedra themselves do not have a use for, but are smart enough to use in their favour in manipulating and bending mortals to their whim.

Neither Meridia or Molag Bal are good or evil, they simply are, and they don't rightly give an scamp's ass about the morality of mortals.

Folkb

I was sort of in the sane boat as the OP. This quest wsmasnt really explained all that well. Even if you know lore behind it, this quest just seems to come out of nowhere.

FadedJeans

michael_bimson wrote: »

Meridia hates undead, but that doesn't make her 'good'. She'd quite happily obliterate a bunch of innocent people to destroy some undead.

Was very weird, completing the game with a vampire character.

nimander99

Malauk (spelling?) is the name the Orsimer (Orcs) give to the Daedric Prince(cess) Malakath.

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO

A simple-ish answer is that Malouch is just a more whitewashed version of Malacath. Covenant orcs worship "Mauloch" who is totally not a daedric prince *wink* *wink* so their "allies" don't get antsy about a culture completely centered around daedra worship.

RedTalon

michael_bimson wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Obscure wrote: »

And there's no such thing as a "good" Daedric prince. They have no concept of morality.

Meridia and Molag Bal are patently motivated by and view things in entirely different ways which can perfectly well be equated to 'mortals' views of 'morality': Meridia is clearly 'good' and Bal 'evil'.

Meridia hates undead, but that doesn't make her 'good'. She'd quite happily obliterate a bunch of innocent people to destroy some undead.

Thought it was more she hates anything she sees has unnatural and that isn't just undead Judy more the main thing of note.

And she is about has moral has a stern mother and goes after anyone who breaks her rules is the feeling I got from her.

Dekkameron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REpJ1GopKog

Pretty much says what you need to know

Valymer

On a related note:

Shaarizad

If you need evidence that Meridia isn't morally "good", just look at the Knights of the Nine expansion for Oblivion: Meridia engineers the revival of her favorite genocidal Ayleid god-king and sends her Aureals to murder priests, all because of some disagreement several thousand years ago.
Also, while Molag Bal and Mehrunes Dagon are pretty much giant *** all of the time, even their spheres aren't wholly evil. Molag Bal's sphere is domination; this could include the domination inherent in any empire imposing law and order on those they conquer. And Mehrunes Dagon is the prince of violent change, so even righteous revolution would certainly fall under his domain. I don't think we're going to see Imperial governors praying to Molag Bal to keep the peace, or oppressed citizens invoking Dagon to overthrow the ruling class, any time soon, but it would not be impossible.
In short, nothing in The Elder Scrolls is black and white.

newtinmpls

Shaarizad wrote: »

In short, nothing in The Elder Scrolls is black and white.

So true. That's one of the things I wish ESO did a bit better....

ssewallb14_ESO

theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »

A simple-ish answer is that Malouch is just a more whitewashed version of Malacath. Covenant orcs worship "Mauloch" who is totally not a daedric prince *wink* *wink* so their "allies" don't get antsy about a culture completely centered around daedra worship.

^I think this is the most likely explanation. Having a fabricated version of their chief deity that's basically the same but "isn't a daedric prince" allows for alliance and trade with factions that look down upon or forbid daedra worship. A couple hundred years of this and the fact that it was a ruse gets lost in history, and many people see Mauloch as an actual separate entity.