Video of Scroll steal during lagspike.

Vynn

xDOVAHKIINx wrote: »

Vynn wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Vynn wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Hektlk wrote: »

Honestly even if it wasn't lagging, your FPS is so low you still wouldn't be able to do anything. People need to stop mistaking FPS issues and lag.

Everyone's FPS drops Hektik. Dont sweep this under the rug cause you're in that Red group.

I'm also in this group, and one item of note, before we even tried getting the scroll, we tried fighting and couldn't kill anyone either. So don't blame a faction just because the game lags for everyone. All of us would have preferred a fight.

We both know thats a bunch of [snip]. Nobody was lagging until they showed up.

Nobodies blaming the red faction. Only that red guild/group.

More people equals more lag. We get annoyed by lag as much as you do.

Well Vynn thank for coming onto the forums and clearing this issue up on behalf of your guild. We lost a lot of battles to you guys (lag and without lag). I am of the belief that we would have lost the scroll either way. Considering how we were at Bleakers and Dragonclaw all day and lost every battle up to that point where we were at our gates. Good Fights

Definitely had some good fights today. I'm sure there are many that will continue to put the blame on us and report us repeatedly. It kind of makes me wish the Devs would run an investigation and make a statement that they know we are not the problem just so the actual problem can get more attention. But I doubt anything of the like will happen, as they already know many of the causes. They have had Zenimax personnel mention in ESO Live that there are many contributing factors to lag. So guys please continue to provide feedback to ZOS about the lag, maybe more focus will be put on it.

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Roechacca

So glad I quit pvping . Best decision ever .

scratchnsniff

first of all, i only get lag when red is around.

second, you think after a year. ZOS could fix pvp. but i guess they don't really care.
No wonder why the game went FTP after one year.

can you say /FAIL

Roechacca

Best of luck folks . Hope they fix that part of the game one day ...

scratchnsniff

Roechacca wrote: »

Best of luck folks . Hope they fix that part of the game one day ...

I keep wanting to like this game. I keep wanting to stay. Yet everyday there is a new reason to leave.
Daminit ZOS fix your game.

RED LAGS, doesn't take much to figure it out.

EIGHTS

This is the pain that DC suffers all the time.

Itoq

kaithuzar wrote: »

This is my speculation:
About a month ago the code was updated on the "lag application" to allow game clients to load high res bloom & other effects instead of whatever you have specifically set your graphics card to perform. -kai

About a month ago I started seeing the graphics for CC immunity, among other things, for the first time ever.

Interestingly I no longer see graphics (or hear sounds for) for a couple of things, like sorc overload light attacks.

Was there ever anything noted in the patch notes about any of this? I never thought much of this due to becoming so used to the constant stream of new bugs in ESO.

Poxheart

The experience shown in this video is what is going to kill the PvP in this game.

Rylana

Look at the red damage control in this thread.

This literally NEVER HAPPENS if its not you guys. How much longer are you going to play dumb for?

PainfulFAFA

Rylana wrote: »

Look at the red damage control in this thread.

This literally NEVER HAPPENS if its not you guys. How much longer are you going to play dumb for?

Some reds are saying their entire faction was there...
Look at the video, you'll see its only ONE group that goes IN and OUT. You can hear one person telling them to hit the tail.

Joy_Division

houimetub17_ESO wrote: »

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LOL dude. Welcome to Cyordiil! I hope you enjoy the new experience of PvP.

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Hektlk

scratchnsniff wrote: »

first of all, i only get lag when red is around.

Because yellow and blue never fight LOL

Kupoking

Hektlk wrote: »

scratchnsniff wrote: »

first of all, i only get lag when red is around.

Because yellow and blue never fight LOL

HAHAHA jokes is on you

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161685/ad-scroll-3-29-thornblade/p1

your statement just proves your lack of credibility

Rook_Master

Why did I know before I even clicked on it that it would be Forrest Gump and his band of goons at the center of this issue?

Laggus

Poxheart wrote: »

The experience shown in this video is what is going to kill the PvP in this game.

Its not helping thats for sure. Also, any new players are simply joining EP now too. Right now EP have more bars on every single campaign than any other. Who wants to join the losing team right!

kaithuzar

Laggus wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

The experience shown in this video is what is going to kill the PvP in this game.

Its not helping thats for sure. Also, any new players are simply joining EP now too. Right now EP have more bars on every single campaign than any other. Who wants to join the losing team right!

I blame Dan Bull for that one.
The songs he made for AD & DC are horrible. EP has the only good song.

oyvind_okb16_ESO

just as a note: met alot of lag against both AD and DC so if u say its ONLY EP that's doing it ur wrong. had most of the group i'm in disconnect several times during such lags. and lost keeps scrolls etc with that kind of lag, cant even put down siege or use attacks at all.

just face the fact there is ppl from all factions thats doing it. sadly those ppl prob wont stop doing it.


and yes i use alot of shortcuts for words

LonePirate

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Look at the red damage control in this thread.

This literally NEVER HAPPENS if its not you guys. How much longer are you going to play dumb for?

Some reds are saying their entire faction was there...
Look at the video, you'll see its only ONE group that goes IN and OUT. You can hear one person telling them to hit the tail.

I was present for that scroll battle. There were two very strong guilds and some pugs present for EP. One guilds was running a full group so it may have seemed like the entire EP army was there.

Attacking scroll temples is wildly fun. I certainly do not fault any faction if every player logged in at the time participated in these battles.

Rune_Relic

Itoq wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

This is my speculation:
About a month ago the code was updated on the "lag application" to allow game clients to load high res bloom & other effects instead of whatever you have specifically set your graphics card to perform. -kai

About a month ago I started seeing the graphics for CC immunity, among other things, for the first time ever.

Interestingly I no longer see graphics (or hear sounds for) for a couple of things, like sorc overload light attacks.

Was there ever anything noted in the patch notes about any of this? I never thought much of this due to becoming so used to the constant stream of new bugs in ESO.

Yes they were streamling the code to make sure you only saw relevant effects and sounds.

Rune_Relic

Laggus wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

The experience shown in this video is what is going to kill the PvP in this game.

Its not helping thats for sure. Also, any new players are simply joining EP now too. Right now EP have more bars on every single campaign than any other. Who wants to join the losing team right!

If only EU azuras was like that
There I never had problem swith lagsploit until the DC crowd rolled up at 2pm GMT.
Even when we wer efaction locked....there was only 30 people PVPing for EP..go figure.
So horses for courses.

Poxheart

LonePirate wrote: »

Attacking scroll temples is wildly fun.

You and I have different ideas of what is fun if you consider what occurred in the OPs video fun.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Poxheart wrote: »

The experience shown in this video is what is going to kill the PvP in this game.

I agree, but I would have used the past tense: The rampant lag problems have killed PvP.

Looking at the big picture, that part of the game is already dead. Look at the small number of players still trying to do PvP, and the massive complaints and PvP related rage in this forum. A couple of thousand people are pretending it's still playable, or at least wishing it were, but that doesn't make it so. People are giving up on the PvP part of the game, and for good reasons.

I still hope ZOS can turn this around, but I am no longer expecting them to.

kaithuzar

The problem is PVP is the ONLY thing left to do in the game for many of us END-Gamers. =(
We've done hard mode & time completes for EVERY trial. We've done vet DSA, we've done caldwell's gold & silver (obviously), we've ran all of the undaunted quest thousands of times farming worm cult, valkyn skoria, et al...
Obtaining Emperor title is the last thing many of us have left to do. The PVP guild I'm a part of we've been raiding together since the beginning in Auriel's Bow, Wabbajack, Dawnbreaker, etc...
We are NOT noobish players & given a fair fight w/o lag would have owned that fight as well as the EVEN WORSE lag-fest that was at Arrius keep about an hour or two BEFORE this lag-fest happened at the scroll.
We are not claiming that ALL of red is DDoS'ing, we're simply stating that no one can deny the fact of a few specific players performing these attacks!
We DOMINATED RED at Arrius keep, EVEN with their lag application DDoSing.
You're probably thinking (this guy doesn't know ddosing, he's just someone trolling), guess what...
I"m an Infosec professional working in industry who's given speeches over DDoS prevention.
@zos , feel free to reach out, I've got plenty to say on this topic.

Kupoking

Edited the video due to naming and shaming complaints and warnings by ZoS

https://youtube.com/watch?v=s4qU3FSwPlo&feature=youtu.be

Bouvin

Amazing that it was EP taking the scroll.. who would have guessed.

We can't name and shame, and ZOS does nothing about the blatant exploiting. Good job ZOS....

riverdragon72

I've done this in an EP keep a few times. It seems if you run in from outside the fight while the server is near meltdown it never registers you in combat, grab scroll and run.

Maponis

This is a major issue that should immediately be addressed by the dev's as it not only affects game play but also server stability and maintence

Vorpan

Placing blame on players for a laggy PVP experience feels the same as accusing a player for hacking/exploiting because he killed you, or crying that an ability is OP because you didn't block and it hit you hard.

Cyrodiil lags because the engine and servers cannot handle massive PVP despite just that being advertised. If it were the players exploiting to cause the lag then we'd see them getting suspended or banned, and not see the population caps getting lowered. And yes, they do punish exploiters. Anyone who has been here since launch should know that. We've seen people disappear, even if just temporarily, for doing something stupid.

I play DC on Chillrend and when I go anywhere near certain AD guilds I lag out, sometimes really bad. I never once thought that the fault lies with those AD players/guilds. I lag more around them because when I'm able to log on (no matter the time of day) they seem to have people online, running groups, and trying to complete objectives. They are always who I seem to be fighting when online, so I lag around them and their big numbers.

It's the same when I am on Thornblade playing on AD. I lag out when up against certain EP guilds. Just like the AD ones on Chill, they always seem to be around, running groups, trying to complete their objectives of taking keeps/scrolls.

These guilds get the blame because for whatever reason they are able to be online all the time, they go out and do stuff to help their alliance win, and so people remember their names/guilds. It makes it easy to point fingers in their direction.

That is not to say that there are not dopes who try to make things worse with the lag, obviously there are. Not just in one alliance, but in all three. If a group of 16+ players were able to cause the server to lag out to the point where abilities and siege stopped working, then every time certain AD guilds run their trains in circles at a farm on Chill, enemy players would be too busy complaining about lag to be running into said train one by one and dying.

This game cannot handle large battles. Simple as that. We all just have to accept it.