Would you support racial changes?

Jules

Very simple and straightforward. Doesn't have to be for yourself and it doesn't have to be offered in the crown store. I'm just interested in how the community feels about race changes in general.

phermitgb

No

sorry, but not really. I *do* support cosmetic changes, but I don't particularly see a driving need for race, gender, faction or class changes for characters (although one *could* make the argument that race and gender are *also* cosmetic...but that's a different argument)

I realize that often, the reason for *asking* for race change is due to changing gameplay mechanics, but between the option to make *more* characters and the relative irrelevance of race in this game (I know, I know...ANY advantage in numbers is seen by some as less than optimal, but having no interest in being anything but *competent* myself, that argument tends to hold little weight with me personally), I don't generally feel a pressing need to see it as an option worthy of time or resources to developing.

the most obvious follow-up argument - namely, "if you don't want to change YOUR race, fine, but why can't I?" - precisely BECAUSE there is a segment of the population asking for race changes as an option, and more importantly, WHY those people are usually asking for that change, can alter the presence and effectiveness of people of a particular mindset in a particular section of the game (in this case, probably most heavily in PVP) - which WILL change the game for everyone to a certain extent

I'm *personally* happier watching the general community either cope with what they consider to be sub-optimal (but still perfectly serviceable in actuality) character builds or leave in an angry huff - much like special effects innovations in the 70's and 80's, I think having limitations drives creativity, and the people that I would *like* most to stick around are more likely to be those that have the patience and creativity to take what they've been given and find ways to make it work, and the sense of inner peace that comes from knowing that while they cannot have everything they want, they can strive to be as creative and innovative with the mechanics they've been given, and can find a way to be satisfied with what they have available.

Hayuru

Yes

Yes, absolutely. I am remaking my level 24 character because I don't like the race/faction.

Erock25

Yes

Prepare for incoming ....

• P2W
• Use search function
• No because of lore
• Make it cost gold, do not allow in Crown Store
• Put it in Crown Store <- That's me
• It better have cooldowns!
• Choices should matter!
• Just re-roll
• Unintelligible gibberish

Did I miss any?

F7sus4

No

No, because that way the game will never reach any stable meta.

Jaxsun

Yes

Erock25 wrote: »

Prepare for incoming ....

• P2W
• Use search function
• No because of lore
• Make it cost gold, do not allow in Crown Store
• Put it in Crown Store <- That's me
• It better have cooldowns!
• Choices should matter!
• Just re-roll
• Unintelligible gibberish

Did I miss any?

It breaks immersion....LOL

Bloodystab

Yes

No if they they make Argonian passives not useless.

Atm i support it...

Sinthrax

No

Erock25 wrote: »

Prepare for incoming ....

• P2W
• Use search function
• No because of lore
• Make it cost gold, do not allow in Crown Store
• Put it in Crown Store <- That's me
• It better have cooldowns!
• Choices should matter!
• Just re-roll
• Unintelligible gibberish

Did I miss any?

You say this as if all the other suggestions you made are wrong and the one you support is right?

Jroc

Yes

Sinthrax wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Prepare for incoming ....

• P2W
• Use search function
• No because of lore
• Make it cost gold, do not allow in Crown Store
• Put it in Crown Store <- That's me
• It better have cooldowns!
• Choices should matter!
• Just re-roll
• Unintelligible gibberish

Did I miss any?

You say this as if all the other suggestions you made are wrong and the one you support is right?

They are wrong, other than the make it cost gold/crowns argument, as that doesn't actually have to do with the implementation of race change.

Alphashado

Yes

Normally I wouldn't support it. But ZoS has made so many changes to builds (not a bad thing) that many of us have Veteran Ranked characters that are stuck with racial passives that don't match the way we want to play that character anymore.

Horrum

Alphashado wrote: »

Normally I wouldn't support it. But ZoS has made so many changes to builds (not a bad thing) that many of us have Veteran Ranked characters that are stuck with racial passives that don't match the way we want to play that character anymore.

Great sig! Truth.

ZigoSid

No

No ... but they need to adapt racial passives to the new game mechanics and buff/nerf/totally change some.

Knootewoot

Yes

I see no problem with it.

Govalon

Yes

ZigoSid wrote: »

No ... but they need to adapt racial passives to the new game mechanics and buff/nerf/totally change some.

If they change anything in races, that is definetly a reason to give anyone playing that race a free race change option. You could not logically blame players for choosing a bad race and say with straight face that "choices should matter" when it was not the players choice in the first place.

psufan5

Yes

100% for this.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

Yes

the underpowered racials (argonian for example) should be buffed, I love to play my argonian, but the lackluster racials are a bummer

Jules

Yes

The logic, or lackthereof, in this post is seriously astounding.

I honestly don't even know where to begin. The asterisks around every tenth word are so distracting, it's like I don't even know whether I really just read that correctly.

Also just wanna point out that you used 2 periods in a three paragraph comment. One after the first sentence and one after the last. Yeah.

phermitgb wrote: »

I realize that often, the reason for *asking* for race change is due to changing gameplay mechanics

One of the only things you say that I agree with. A perfect example is Argonians. Players who chose this race in attempt to optimize for potion cooldown were displeased to find that months later, and after leveling to max rank, the racial passives that lead them to choose that race were changed.

phermitgb wrote: »

but between the option to make *more* characters

With how grindy and time consuming it is to get to v14 you really must be kidding.

phermitgb wrote: »

and the relative irrelevance of race in this game

either you're kidding or you have never actually played eso. Relative irrelevance... Lol

phermitgb wrote: »

(I know, I know...ANY advantage in numbers is seen by some as less than optimal, but having no interest in being anything but *competent* myself, that argument tends to hold little weight with me personally)

No idea what you meant here. It's clear you don't strive for excellence the way some of us do. But it seems you do recognize that racials can optimize your character, but like, you just don't care? Yeah.

phermitgb wrote: »

the most obvious follow-up argument - namely, "if you don't want to change YOUR race, fine, but why can't I?" - precisely BECAUSE there is a segment of the population asking for race changes as an option

Loosely translates to: I don't want you to have it because you want it.

phermitgb wrote: »

and more importantly, WHY those people are usually asking for that change, can alter the presence and effectiveness of people of a particular mindset in a particular section of the game (in this case, probably most heavily in PVP) - which WILL change the game for everyone to a certain extent

I kinda understand this. I think you mean that one person being an optimized race will reflect negatively on those who are not. Simple solution would be to just use the proposed race change to change this if it mattered to you. Other than that, it's not as if people don't already roll dunmer dk's, altmer sorcs and khajiit NB's. Those people are already presently at a disadvantage. To be against this because a perceived threat of future rejection just seems silly.

phermitgb wrote: »

I'm *personally* happier watching the general community either cope with what they consider to be sub-optimal (but still perfectly serviceable in actuality) character builds or leave in an angry huff

This game is hanging on by a thread- or hadn't you noticed? The fact that you really just used the word HAPPIER when describing the discontent people have about racial imbalances and sub-optimization is just beyond me.

phermitgb wrote: »

the people that I would *like* most to stick around are more likely to be those that have the patience and creativity to take what they've been given and find ways to make it work, and the sense of inner peace that comes from knowing that while they cannot have everything they want, they can strive to be as creative and innovative with the mechanics they've been given, and can find a way to be satisfied with what they have available.

Yeah. This seems like a really specific type of person. If you want to continue to play the game you like, you might want to hope for people of variety to continue to play. Otherwise, there will be no game.

darthbelanb14_ESO

No

Nope, you made the choice and you have to deal with it. All this does is cause people to change to the flavor of the month.