20% AP buff for killing boss in Cyrodill delve. Do you like it?

Lettigall

If you contribute to killing a boss in a Cyrodiil delve, you will now be granted a 60-minute AP buff which increases your AP gains by 20%.

Some love it, some hate it and some don't give a f*** about it. How about you?

Legedric

No!

No!

Why?

Read this:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161997/ap-bonus-for-playing-pve-is-this-a-joke

Etaniel

Yes!

It doesn't change anything for players who don't care about it, and will spread out the few that care about it. You can argue that there's not much positive coming from this, but there is absolutely zero negatives about it.
It's an incentive to use the rest of Cyrodil, i like it and i want more ! now increase the pop cap so we can actually leave those dungeons and figure out how to reduce the loading screens in between zones, and it'll be perfect!

RivenEsq

Yes!

I think there could be capturable objectives in the open areas, especially between the perimeter keeps (Drake et al.) and the central 5 for each faction that could serve this sort of thing.

I understand the intent: to spread people out.

When I see EP rolling 50-100 people deep, I'm not sure I disagree with the intent.

Sure, it could be done another way, but this works fine in the short term.

Legedric

No!

Of course there is nothing negative about it, I agree to that Etaniel.
But there is also nothing positive about it and therefore I am not liking it. ZOS could have come up with something useful after all and not with something thats not even worth considering to get (see my math in the other thread).

I would have liked it if it would really add something to PvP at all, but unfortunately it doesn't.

Someone came up with the idea of making Dolmen in Cyrodiil providing the same buff. That's what gets me talking...
No loading screen, open field accessibility and every time the chains explode it's like "Hey, someone's got to be there, let's see and do some PvP!".

Another idea would be to provide this buff (maybe in a minor 10% version) when you capture a resource that hasn't been under attack for X hours.

Not those shabby wholes noone's ever going to visit because you may get stuck in there by either your loading screen or your campaign queue locking you out of PvP for a while.

Lettigall

No!

Etaniel wrote: »

It doesn't change anything for players who don't care about it, and will spread out the few that care about it. You can argue that there's not much positive coming from this, but there is absolutely zero negatives about it.
It's an incentive to use the rest of Cyrodil, i like it and i want more ! now increase the pop cap so we can actually leave those dungeons and figure out how to reduce the loading screens in between zones, and it'll be perfect!

Yes it doesn't change anything, but makes good idea wasted just because devs want to spread out players. Completing PvP objectives should give bonus, delves should give PvP gear drops.

Etaniel

Yes!

Legedric wrote: »

Of course there is nothing negative about it, I agree to that Etaniel.
But there is also nothing positive about it and therefore I am not liking it. ZOS could have come up with something useful after all and not with something thats not even worth considering to get (see my math in the other thread).

I would have liked it if it would really add something to PvP at all, but unfortunately it doesn't.

Someone came up with the idea of making Dolmen in Cyrodiil providing the same buff. That's what gets me talking...
No loading screen, open field accessibility and every time the chains explode it's like "Hey, someone's got to be there, let's see and do some PvP!".

Another idea would be to provide this buff (maybe in a minor 10% version) when you capture a resource that hasn't been under attack for X hours.

Not those shabby wholes noone's ever going to visit because you may get stuck in there by either your loading screen or your campaign queue locking you out of PvP for a while.

The only negative part i see about this really is that they could have spent time on something better such as the same buff for dolmens yes.

On the other hand, I've been finding decent pvp in those dungeons for the past 2 weeks, especially since they are really nice for CP grinding, I wouldn't be surprised if even more people started showing up. But you are right, they could've have done way better things, but even this is awesome compared to the vast void we've been getting in terms of PvP updates since launch

Legedric

No!

Etaniel wrote: »

... But even this is awesome compared to the vast void we've been getting in terms of PvP updates since launch

Yes, that's true... very sad, but true after all

RedTalon

Yes!

Yup without heading back into delves wouldn't have found you not only get a nice ap bonus now, but go werewolf mode and put those trash mobs in a blender and you gain some nice chump points also.

derpsticks

Other

I haven't even bothered to enter a delve since they started this. I figure I can get more ap by not.

So all in all I just don't care. Leave it, remove it, it doesn't matter.

Having this buff is like using legendary tempers on level 10 gear.

Aminals

Yes!

Legedric wrote: »

Someone came up with the idea of making Dolmen in Cyrodiil providing the same buff. That's what gets me talking...
No loading screen, open field accessibility and every time the chains explode it's like "Hey, someone's got to be there, let's see and do some PvP!".

I like that, sort of like the jungle in League.
Contesting them would be fun, whoever is able to to close the doleman grants a buff to any allies standing in the circle.

Draxys

Other

Don't even really care that it exists, but as long as they fix the fact that you get taken out of the campaign in terms of server pop, sounds fine to me

NadiusMaximus

No!

Add pvp anything into pve and see what happens.

Segregation is a good thing at times.

JDar

No!

This is completely stupid. I come to Cyrodiil to fight other players, not do delves. Now I have to waste about 10-15% every hour to get an AP bonus or I'll fall even further down the leaderboard. Stupid.

Wheeler this isn't going to do anything because if I read in zone chat that Alessia is about to fall to 250 red players I'm going to get out of BFE cave and go stand on the flags like everyone else; to do otherwise is still stupid.

JDar

No!

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Add pvp anything into pve and see what happens.

Segregation is a good thing at times.

Oh the whining would be immense

DezIsDead

Yes!

I like it, 16 drunk idiots running through a cave? What's not to like?

Juraigr

Legedric wrote: »

Of course there is nothing negative about it, I agree to that Etaniel.
But there is also nothing positive about it and therefore I am not liking it. ZOS could have come up with something useful after all and not with something thats not even worth considering to get (see my math in the other thread).

I would have liked it if it would really add something to PvP at all, but unfortunately it doesn't.

Someone came up with the idea of making Dolmen in Cyrodiil providing the same buff. That's what gets me talking...
No loading screen, open field accessibility and every time the chains explode it's like "Hey, someone's got to be there, let's see and do some PvP!".

Another idea would be to provide this buff (maybe in a minor 10% version) when you capture a resource that hasn't been under attack for X hours.

Not those shabby wholes noone's ever going to visit because you may get stuck in there by either your loading screen or your campaign queue locking you out of PvP for a while.

This +100000 the dolmen idea is the best way those dungeons are trash waste of PvP time

Tankqull

well i´m unsure as i have 3 options, after killing the boss i´m ending out of cyrodiil as the transition from the delve into an overpopulated Thornblade doesent work with 2-3 hours of reentering thorn, i´m beeing farmed at the starting area of my ally in one of the enemy buffservers or im not finding more than 1-2 enemys on my allys buff server ...

so all in all it dosent do anything for me :P

Armitas

Other

Lotro had something like this. There was the overworld, and the "devling". There was a raid boss at the center of the delving. If you killed it you got an "ap" bonus for the whole day. There were never 2 enemy raids so when the enemy disappeared you knew they were going for that buff and it turned into some pretty epic fights, but I don't see that happening here. This would be better if it was attached to cyrodiil rather than such a trivial delve boss.

One other thing that was cool about the "delving" was you could use the cave system as a shortcut across the overworld map. I would not mind seeing something like that happen to cyrodiil.

Tripwyr

No!

This is the stupidest change ever made. We have to load our entire group into a dungeon, they each have to light attack the boss once because it doesn't grant the buff otherwise, then we have to load the entire group back out. This takes 15-20 minutes because inevitably 3-4 players get stuck on a loadscreen, 1-2 members don't tell us they're going AFK, and 2-3 players fail to light attack before the boss dies.

ZOS impresses me by implementing worse and worse PvP changes every patch.

Lettigall

No!

After few days of playing all I can say is I want the buff but I'm not ready to waste my time and AP to get it. Traveling to delve and back to combat with buff in the end still gives you less AP then simply fighting without a buff.

This buff was implemented to spread out players, but what I seen from Thorn campaign ZOS failed. All the fighting is in places which actually matters not in some stinking caves.

This buff would have been nice addition for PvP but was added for wrong reasons and in wrong place...