The veteran grind is WAY too tedious.

Latter

So, i recently decided to reroll to AD, it took me around 26 hours of playtime to reach level 50, if this was 2014 the worst part would be over and i could level up in another 24 hours to the max cap, but now this next part is a walk through fire for me, i estimated it will take around 4-5 hours pr vet level upto vr5 in normal EP grindspots, and from there on slow down even more, c'mon zenimax. You can't expect me to quest through every zone for the FIFTH time to level up one character, don't make it a walk through fire like it is now and either release that xp potion NOW or give us back our decent grindspots.

Hypertionb14_ESO

yes it is..

i would rather them remove Vet levels tho.

nerevarine1138

Why is everyone so intent on leveling an alt and then complaining that they have to actually level them?

Ley

I don't mind the vet levels but having a few better places to grind would be nice.

Latter

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Why is everyone so intent on leveling an alt and then complaining that they have to actually level them?

Because it's a walk through fire and way takes way too long, compared to a few months ago when it took just long enough time. I'm still going to level my alt to v14.

LameoveR

There is a good adage - if you don't like it just don't do it.

nerevarine1138

olefotlandb16_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Why is everyone so intent on leveling an alt and then complaining that they have to actually level them?

Because it's a walk through fire and way takes way too long, compared to a few months ago when it took just long enough time. I'm still going to level my alt to v14.

A few months ago, people were using exploits to level up far faster than the developers ever intended.

LtCrunch

Funny, I was just thinking about how quick(and laughably easy) it felt now when compared to how it was at launch and before the "vet nerf" and removal of VP. My Sorcerer is nearly VR4 and hasn't made it out of Glenumbra, I haven't even been trying to level him quickly...

Latter

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

olefotlandb16_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Why is everyone so intent on leveling an alt and then complaining that they have to actually level them?

Because it's a walk through fire and way takes way too long, compared to a few months ago when it took just long enough time. I'm still going to level my alt to v14.

A few months ago, people were using exploits to level up far faster than the developers ever intended.

Grinding monsters for xp isn't exploiting, its grinding and a big part of any MMO for people who aren't willing to level up the slow way through the same content for every single character

Samadhi

olefotlandb16_ESO wrote: »

So, i recently decided to reroll to AD, it took me around 26 hours of playtime to reach level 50, if this was 2014 the worst part would be over and i could level up in another 24 hours to the max cap, ...

olefotlandb16_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Why is everyone so intent on leveling an alt and then complaining that they have to actually level them?

... a few months ago when it took just long enough time. ...

LtCrunch

olefotlandb16_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

olefotlandb16_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Why is everyone so intent on leveling an alt and then complaining that they have to actually level them?

Because it's a walk through fire and way takes way too long, compared to a few months ago when it took just long enough time. I'm still going to level my alt to v14.

A few months ago, people were using exploits to level up far faster than the developers ever intended.

Grinding monsters for xp isn't exploiting, its grinding and a big part of any MMO for people who aren't willing to level up the slow way through the same content for every single character

You're right. But a large portion of popular grind spots were indeed exploits. Kardala(when Craglorn first released), the shadow, the scorpion, Rkund, etc. Were all exploits.

Suru

Rerolling should take work not a cake walk. There are still grindspots per your vet level and they will the fastest leveling in game As it stands. 550+ per mob and you get good CP, then move onto the next zone,

Alphashado

Suru wrote: »

Rerolling should take work not a cake walk. There are still grindspots per your vet level and they will the fastest leveling in game As it stands. 550+ per mob and you get good CP, then move onto the next zone,

There is a difference between a reasonable amount of time and a "cake walk". The Vet Grind is terrible. It is overwhelmingly unpopular for a reason. Even ZoS has admitted their mistake in developing Vet Content as endgame. They now understand what true endgame content is and the ridiculous amount of time it takes to get a character to relevancy for it.

It's long, tedious, and completely unnecessary. Unfortunately, I am no longer convinced that they intend to truly address it since I believe they have decided to turn their mistake into a cash cow by selling various XP boosters.

skarvika

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Why is everyone so intent on leveling an alt and then complaining that they have to actually level them?

Because some people (such as myself) only really do PVP content and want to be on an equal ground as other players without having to spend hours grinding and questing. Now I accept this is simply how it is, so I'm not as bothered as most, but I can certainly see why someone would want to just hit level cap fast.

LameoveR

You always can stop at 49lvl and do a good pvp content

ElliottXO

I don't even understand how people can defend those silly veteran ranks.

You beat the game, and they did put something on top. That's OK, but something that takes additional twice amount of time with no character progression apart from gear?

No wonder that after release the majority quit once they hit VR, including myself.

LtCrunch

ElliottXO wrote: »

I don't even understand how people can defend those silly veteran ranks.

You beat the game, and they did put something on top. That's OK, but something that takes additional twice amount of time with no character progression apart from gear?

No wonder that after release the majority quit once they hit VR, including myself.

You forgot skill points, attribute points, and base stat increases. The champion system also supplements character progression between VR level ups. Don't skew or supress things to try and prove your point, it compromises your argument. That being said the VR system needs to be removed, and Cadwell's Silver/Gold made optional not mandatory to participate in endgame. We'll get that, but not until after console launch.

Iago

Why is everyone upset about the Vet grind and not the nearly infinite CP grind?

Razzak

Iago wrote: »

Why is everyone upset about the Vet grind and not the nearly infinite CP grind?

They have yet to see how terrible that one is. Usually you have to get to VR14 before you realize there is nothing but very limited repeatable content and months upon months of nothing else in CP grind.

Vil

Totally agree with OP. The vet grind is a total turnoff for many players that I know have left ESO.
Personally I plan on, during my return, level a few characters to 49 or 50, before I either leave the game or continue playing IF/when the VR ranks are removed, or they add new vr content.

Endurance

i get like 2.7k~4k exp per monster i kill and 35k ~ 110k exp avg from a nearby quest so how the hell is it a grind? i swear u ppl are either doin it wrong or u just not cut out for this sort of game

Xandryah

olefotlandb16_ESO wrote: »

So, i recently decided to reroll to AD, it took me around 26 hours of playtime to reach level 50, if this was 2014 the worst part would be over and i could level up in another 24 hours to the max cap, but now this next part is a walk through fire for me, i estimated it will take around 4-5 hours pr vet level upto vr5 in normal EP grindspots, and from there on slow down even more, c'mon zenimax. You can't expect me to quest through every zone for the FIFTH time to level up one character, don't make it a walk through fire like it is now and either release that xp potion NOW or give us back our decent grindspots.

according to sth i read once (a few months ago, around the time when xp for one veteran was reduced to 1 million) , someone said/wrote that they want a player to play around 10 hours for one veteran rank...

i posted once a calcuation and according to my logic i calculated 100 hours for first 50 level, and another 100 hours for 14 veteran level..

you said you levelled up in 26 hours? well, then sth improved, but i'm still traumatized by my XP-experience in the past months that i really don't want to level up an alt seriously... i defined it a nightmare/iron-man-race/toil... i think, the mmo would be more pleasant if levelling up those 8 slots wiht alts faster would not alter subscriptions , if that's what it's being feared , idk... there is too much penalizing... for instnace killina veteran 11 mob in Craglorn alone with a veteran 9 toon won't yield the complimentary xp you would expect, but only a meager amount of xp, while killing a veteran 1 mob with a veteran 9 toon won't yield any xp at all... > penalized if done sth easy, yes! but... reward for killing sth hard, no! this is not good and make you think twice before doing sth...

thanx for reading, ( i hope i won't post much more)

Cheers

Xandryah

Junipus

Endurance wrote: »

i get like 2.7k~4k exp per monster i kill and 35k ~ 110k exp avg from a nearby quest so how the hell is it a grind? i swear u ppl are either doin it wrong or u just not cut out for this sort of game

Or you're enlightened and it's not your true VP gain. There are no repeatable quests in Cadwell zones so assuming you're talking about repeatable quests then it's only in Cyrodiil where you always run the risk of both getting killed by players and having to wait in a long queue for a potentially safer instance.

If you're talking about a single quest in a PvE zone then they have nerfed a lot. Did some of the main quests in Craglorn last night and only got 5k VP for each quest. It means that to get through VR10-VR14 I'd have to do 800 quests in Craglorn. Even accounting for dungeon bosses, exploration and killing mobs, that would maybe bring it down 75% to 200 quests which I don't think Craglorn even comes close too.

This is why ZOS are looking to up the VP from Trials and force us to grind that as endgame content. No matter how you look at it, ZOS are almost forcing us to grind at some stage in the Vet ranks but have taken away all the VP that would avoid it being ridiculously tedious and insane. This of course is because of CP grinding which they didn't anticipate (starting to see a pattern here?).

global_gbb16_ESO

Endurance wrote: »

i get like 2.7k~4k exp per monster i kill and 35k ~ 110k exp avg from a nearby quest so how the hell is it a grind? i swear u ppl are either doin it wrong or u just not cut out for this sort of game

I take it you are not VR14 then? As a VR14 you get around 110-385xp per kill for normal mobs and grinding is the only real way to gain CP.

Phelaen

some people myself included just don't like questing as much as they do other stuff. i hated doing the quests to get to level 50 doing the main quest and fighter/mage guild x times for x toons was a pain. BUT i had a choice, i could just do the quests that gave a skill point and just kill everything in sight while running around no way shrines and get levels that way.
then you turn V1 and now i kinda have to do all the quests and have to do them in areas i choose in the beginning of the game i didn't want to be at.
other then that i felt more powerful at level 45 fighting level 49 mobs then i am fighting as v1 against v1
so the fighting is less fun too and goes slower.

I try to do vet leveling but i usually end up making a new toon, i think the problem is, people feel they have to grind quests now and the choice to level in various ways, though it still exists, feels taken away, since xp wise you kinda have to do the quests.

nerevarine1138

Iago wrote: »

Why is everyone upset about the Vet grind and not the nearly infinite CP grind?

Maybe because people are starting to realize that treating the Champion System as a grind is a recipe for disaster?

Seraphyel

The whole Veteran thing beyond 50 is tedious. Zenimax knows it and they seem to be willing to change it but yeah... we don't know.

Veteran Content is the worst about the whole game and the biggest part making players leave.

Samadhi

Iago wrote: »

Why is everyone upset about the Vet grind and not the nearly infinite CP grind?

Actually find that the Champion Points make the Veteran Grind on alts far less painful.
Taking an alt to v14 means generating more than 30 Champion Points for all characters on the account, and the points are broken up into smaller exp requirements meaning a character on the way to v14 feels like he or she is making progress more quickly than before.

Seraphyel

Iago wrote: »

Why is everyone upset about the Vet grind and not the nearly infinite CP grind?

CP grind is optional, VR grind isn't. You HAVE TO go from VR1-14. If you have 1 CP or 100 CP doesn't limit you in wearing items or something like that.

OtarTheMad

Vet zones should have been unique to your faction. With all the territories on Nirn they could have put in 4 more zones for each faction and still have enough landmass to work with for DLC's for years to come. For example maybe AD- should have been Pyandonea, Thras, lower part of Elsweyr (Senchal area) and maybe throw in another Daedric realm or Aetheric realm. You could have also done instead of Elsweyr maybe another island if you wanted to save Elsweyr for future content.

Samadhi

OtarTheMad wrote: »

...You could have also done instead of Elsweyr maybe another island if you wanted to save Elsweyr for future content.

Part of me keeps thinking that Elsweyr will be the location of the next single player Elder Scrolls title, and that is why it is left largely untouched in ESO with no released plans to provide zones there (by contrast, we have a degree of access of Black Marsh and Murkmire has already been announced.)