Legerdemain needs a name change

Anoteros

Topic.
Something more relevant to how it corresponds to our actions in-game like Thievery,Sly Tactics etc or something meaningful instead of this German sounding thing? O_o

It's obvious it's leading into Thieves guild so why isn't named as such?

SteveCampsOut

leg·er·de·main
ˌlejərdəˈmān,ˈlejərdəˌmān/
noun
noun: legerdemain

skillful use of one's hands when performing conjuring tricks.

It definitely needs a name change! Opening locks is not a conjuring trick!

Khaldar

I got it!

"The Stealing Easy Loot From Vendors, Relogging, Stealing More and Then Selling Once A Day" skill line.

Messy1

Legerdemain as defined in the Merriam Webster Dictionary

Legerdemain (noun) 1) sleight of hand 2) a display of skill or adroitness

Sounds like a great name for the skill line to me . . . also original and not an often used word

Micallef

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

leg·er·de·main
ˌlejərdəˈmān,ˈlejərdəˌmān/
noun
noun: legerdemain

skillful use of one's hands when performing conjuring tricks.

It definitely needs a name change! Opening locks is not a conjuring trick!

Could also mean "light tomorrow" as in not heavy

starkerealm

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

leg·er·de·main
ˌlejərdəˈmān,ˈlejərdəˌmān/
noun
noun: legerdemain

skillful use of one's hands when performing conjuring tricks.

It definitely needs a name change! Opening locks is not a conjuring trick!

"Conjuring tricks or other slight of hand," like, say... picking someone's pocket? Or a lock?

Soulshine

Uh actually, that would be French, mon chere

starkerealm

Soulshine wrote: »

Uh actually, that would be French, mon chere

I actually didn't even notice that in the original post. Ich weiss nicht.

LtCrunch

No.

Messy1

Anoteros wrote: »

Topic.
Something more relevant to how it corresponds to our actions in-game like Thievery,Sly Tactics etc or something meaningful instead of this German sounding thing? O_o

It's obvious it's leading into Thieves guild so why isn't named as such?

Actually, it's originates from French "leger de main"

The term legerdemain is not just used in the context of magic tricks

Messy1 wrote: »

Legerdemain as defined in the Merriam Webster Dictionary

Legerdemain (noun) 1) sleight of hand 2) a display of skill or adroitness

Sounds like a great name for the skill line to me . . . also original and not an often used word

I think the name is GREAT!!

Soulshine

Messy1 wrote: »

Anoteros wrote: »

Topic.
Something more relevant to how it corresponds to our actions in-game like Thievery,Sly Tactics etc or something meaningful instead of this German sounding thing? O_o

It's obvious it's leading into Thieves guild so why isn't named as such?

Actually, it's originates from French "leger de main"

The term legerdemain is not just used in the context of magic tricks

Messy1 wrote: »

Legerdemain as defined in the Merriam Webster Dictionary

Legerdemain (noun) 1) sleight of hand 2) a display of skill or adroitness

Sounds like a great name for the skill line to me . . . also original and not an often used word

I think the name is GREAT!!

^^^^^

starkerealm

Messy1 wrote: »

Sounds like a great name for the skill line to me . . . also original and not an often used word

The irony is, I could swear I used to play an RPG that specifically used "legerdemain" as it's pickpocket skill... I just can't remember which one it was. So, seeing it here seemed perfectly natural to me.

Anoteros

Thievery.

anyways is lockpicking and pickpocketing supposed to increase it or what?

TheShadowScout

I think the name's good enough. I mean, sleightness of hand does figure into pickpocketing and lockpicking... maybe the fencing and kicksbacks are more "Skullduggery", but... its obscure enough to be interesting, mostly on topic, and purely cosmeting in any case.

Of course, the whole skill issue would have been perfect for a thieves guild, which would have sidestepped the whole name issue in the first place...

starkerealm

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I think the name's good enough. I mean, sleightness of hand does figure into pickpocketing and lockpicking... maybe the fencing and kicksbacks are more "Skullduggery", but... its obscure enough to be interesting, mostly on topic, and purely cosmeting in any case.

Of course, the whole skill issue would have been perfect for a thieves guild, which would have sidestepped the whole name issue in the first place...

Except, that would require the guild actually be somewhat functioning in game... also it would require active abilities...

Glurin

I vote we rename it to "Bob".



...what?

starkerealm

Glurin wrote: »

I vote we rename it to "Bob".



...what?

"There are some who call me... Tim?"

Soulshine

BoB = Bounty or Bust
Tim = Thievery is Murder

UrQuan

starkerealm wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Sounds like a great name for the skill line to me . . . also original and not an often used word

The irony is, I could swear I used to play an RPG that specifically used "legerdemain" as it's pickpocket skill... I just can't remember which one it was. So, seeing it here seemed perfectly natural to me.

Whichever one it was, I think I may have played it too. Either that or there was a legerdemain skill in AD&D 1e. Man, I tell you, there are so many words in my vocabulary (some of which I even use on a semi-regular basis) that I never would have learned if it wasn't for pen and paper RPGs.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

leg·er·de·main
ˌlejərdəˈmān,ˈlejərdəˌmān/
noun
noun: legerdemain

skillful use of one's hands when performing conjuring tricks.

It definitely needs a name change! Opening locks is not a conjuring trick!

synonyms: trickery, cunning, artfulness, craftiness, chicanery, skulduggery, deceit, deception, artifice

Skulduggery Skill Line Unlocked

dodgehopper_ESO

Actually Legerdemain means slight of hand or a trick or trickery more generally. I think pickpocketing and being a general thief falls into that realm. Its not a bad name for the skill, and I suspect they will be adding actives to it some day, or possibly give us a skill line for Thieves Guild / Dark Brotherhood. There's always fun words like 'prestidigitation' we could use. :P

asteldian

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Actually Legerdemain means slight of hand or a trick or trickery more generally. I think pickpocketing and being a general thief falls into that realm. Its not a bad name for the skill, and I suspect they will be adding actives to it some day, or possibly give us a skill line for Thieves Guild / Dark Brotherhood. There's always fun words like 'prestidigitation' we could use. :P

Best Cantrip ever baby! Never leave the inn without that bad boy!

kijima

There are many things that ZOS need to do to improve the game.

Changing the name of a skill line, is not one of them.

Liea

starkerealm wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Sounds like a great name for the skill line to me . . . also original and not an often used word

The irony is, I could swear I used to play an RPG that specifically used "legerdemain" as it's pickpocket skill... I just can't remember which one it was. So, seeing it here seemed perfectly natural to me.

The computer RPG game Wizardry had the legerdemain skill for rogues.

nhisso

starkerealm wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Sounds like a great name for the skill line to me . . . also original and not an often used word

The irony is, I could swear I used to play an RPG that specifically used "legerdemain" as it's pickpocket skill... I just can't remember which one it was. So, seeing it here seemed perfectly natural to me.

Dear god. How is that irony?!

Knootewoot

I had to get used to the term 'Legerdemain'. The word is derived from a French word meaning something like performing magical trick blabla.

But... I have get used to it and I like it. Just like magicians use their 'Sleigh of hands' to perform 'magical trick' which is just that.. a trick.

so I think the term Legerdemain fits perfectly for thieved a like. Also it is not a so common word and it fits in the TES world where magic happens. Also I am a Breton and they look like French.

If the skillname would change it should be "Lockpickpocketer"

Kragorn

It's a very apt name for this skill line, but takes a small amount of literacy to understand it as it is an unusual word, which is probably where the problem lies with some.

RainfeatherUK

Anoteros wrote: »

Thievery.

anyways is lockpicking and pickpocketing supposed to increase it or what?

Considering 'Thievery' would be the purview of the THIEVES GUILD. How about no? Since they are coming in the future and..well you know..brothers gonna need a skill line of there own.

The current one fits perfectly as the name for the world skill line imo. Nice and generic, without stepping on any guilds toes.

I like it

Kragorn wrote: »

It's a very apt name for this skill line, but takes a small amount of literacy to understand it as it is an unusual word, which is probably where the problem lies with some.

Lols XD True story!

Majic

Do not take me for some conjuror of cheap tricks!

Rosveen

Legerdemain
* sleight of hand
* deceitful cleverness, trickery

I know what it is and English or French aren't even my native languages. Seriously, people, use a dictionary sometimes before you criticize a perfectly good name for a skill that allows you to deftly snatch a person's pouch without them noticing. You asked for something like "sly tactics", this is almost exactly what this word means.

starkerealm

nhisso wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

Sounds like a great name for the skill line to me . . . also original and not an often used word

The irony is, I could swear I used to play an RPG that specifically used "legerdemain" as it's pickpocket skill... I just can't remember which one it was. So, seeing it here seemed perfectly natural to me.

Dear god. How is that irony?!

Funny you should say that...