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They Don't Really Want Us On ESO Plus
universe555
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I had planned on maintaining my subscription (active since day one) and letting it transition to ESO Plus; two things make this impossible.
1) My DLC is only active as a subscriber.
2) No decrease in the cost of subscription.
I have to think that the ultimate goal is to kill off subscribers.
Edited by universe555 on March 16, 2015 3:31AM 1) My DLC is only active as a subscriber.
2) No decrease in the cost of subscription.
I have to think that the ultimate goal is to kill off subscribers.
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AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
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Lionxoft✭✭✭✭✭
✭universe555 wrote: »I had planned on maintaining my subscription (active since day one) and letting it transition to ESO Plus; two things make this impossible.
1) My DLC is only active as a subscriber.
2) No decrease in the cost of subscription.
I have to think that the ultimate goal is to kill off subscribers.
If I understood it correctly you can purchase the DLC by itself and be able to access that DLC regardless of your subscription status. Now, that is all subject to ZOS' bait and switch tactics.5 -
universe555 wrote: »I had planned on maintaining my subscription (active since day one) and letting it transition to ESO Plus; two things make this impossible.
1) My DLC is only active as a subscriber.
2) No decrease in the cost of subscription.
I have to think that the ultimate goal is to kill off subscribers.
But you also get 1500 Crowns, which, if the PTS was any indication, would equal aprox. $15 of real money. Also, there were rumours about ZOS adding a 12 month subscription, which would reduce the monthly subscription rate.
Not to mention, as a subscriber you get +10% inspiration, experience, and gold gain. Aside from supporting the development team, I feel like the rewards are worth it.15 -
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Koloki✭✭✭universe555 wrote: »I had planned on maintaining my subscription (active since day one) and letting it transition to ESO Plus; two things make this impossible.
1) My DLC is only active as a subscriber.
2) No decrease in the cost of subscription.
I have to think that the ultimate goal is to kill off subscribers.
1) I take you have never played a F2P/B2P MMO before? That is a pretty standard model.
2) The price for subs is also pretty standard for all types of MMOs (F2P, B2P and Subscription)
Complaining that ZOS is using largely common and proven practices used by most MMOs is a bit
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hurling down to the House of Death so many sturdy souls…2 -
Arato✭✭✭✭✭
✭Know what the beauty of it all is?
You can unsub, and still play, and if there's content released that you want to play, buy some crowns, buy the content.
B2P is an honest business model in that regards, you decide when you pay and what you pay for. If you don't like all the consumables and costumes and mounts that are in the crown store but feel that Wrothgar is totally something you'll fork over some money for, more power to you.
as it looks to be, your sub is basically getting you the same amount of crowns you'd be getting if you just spent $15 on crowns, plus ZoS is offering you some minor perks to xp and crafting gain for continued loyalty.4 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I still think subscriptions need to be sweetened a bit to be worth it. I agree with @universe555. If I decide to remain subbed it will be for one reason and one reason only, to support ESO.
Then I have to ask myself... at what point does my sub have to be "earned" because I certainly don't feel like it was for the past 10 months.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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Seraphyel✭✭✭✭✭jwboudreau1b16_ESO wrote: »universe555 wrote: »I had planned on maintaining my subscription (active since day one) and letting it transition to ESO Plus; two things make this impossible.
1) My DLC is only active as a subscriber.
2) No decrease in the cost of subscription.
I have to think that the ultimate goal is to kill off subscribers.
But you also get 1500 Crowns, which, if the PTS was any indication, would equal aprox. $15 of real money. Also, there were rumours about ZOS adding a 12 month subscription, which would reduce the monthly subscription rate.
Not to mention, as a subscriber you get +10% inspiration, experience, and gold gain. Aside from supporting the development team, I feel like the rewards are worth it.
"Supporting the development team"? How can anyone believe that after this first year. 7 -
Seraphyel✭✭✭✭✭
1500 Crowns are not even worth mentioning when there is nothing interesting in the store.3 -
McDoogs✭✭✭✭What DLC though? Really you are going to be subbing for a 10% XP bonus and some crowns for at least 3 months (and probably at least 4-5).Edited by McDoogs on March 16, 2015 9:27AM1
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The beauty of this system compared to purely sub-based ones is that you can buy the DLC at no cost through your monthly crown allowance and if you decide to cancel for a while you can still play the rest of the game without interruption and for free. Perhaps the OP would prefer the usual sub-based system whereby when he cancels he can't play the game at all.2 -
McDoogs✭✭✭✭The beauty of this system compared to purely sub-based ones is that you can buy the DLC at no cost through your monthly crown allowance and if you decide to cancel for a while you can still play the rest of the game without interruption and for free. Perhaps the OP would prefer the usual sub-based system whereby when he cancels he can't play the game at all.
Most people here do prefer the subscription only option. Moving to B2P is considered a sign of decline for every AAA MMO title.10 -
Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭jwboudreau1b16_ESO wrote: »universe555 wrote: »I had planned on maintaining my subscription (active since day one) and letting it transition to ESO Plus; two things make this impossible.
1) My DLC is only active as a subscriber.
2) No decrease in the cost of subscription.
I have to think that the ultimate goal is to kill off subscribers.
But you also get 1500 Crowns, which, if the PTS was any indication, would equal aprox. $15 of real money. Also, there were rumours about ZOS adding a 12 month subscription, which would reduce the monthly subscription rate.
Not to mention, as a subscriber you get +10% inspiration, experience, and gold gain. Aside from supporting the development team, I feel like the rewards are worth it.
Its only worth it if,
you min / max and therefore must always get the best out of your char for trial leaderboards & co
you are a cosmetic junky and need tons of pets, mounts and costumes
Its not worth it if,
you are a casual and don't need to be the first in everything
you don't do trials and therefore wont need 50% + of the DLC´s offered
The whole question if its worth it or not, depends highly on each individual player. Saying that the sub is worth it is as wrong as saying the sub isn't. Different people have different desires in games.2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The beauty of this system compared to purely sub-based ones is that you can buy the DLC at no cost through your monthly crown allowance and if you decide to cancel for a while you can still play the rest of the game without interruption and for free. Perhaps the OP would prefer the usual sub-based system whereby when he cancels he can't play the game at all.
Most people here do prefer the subscription only option. Moving to B2P is considered a sign of decline for every AAA MMO title.
I agree, I prefer the subscription only model too. I was simply pointing out one advantage of the new model contrary to the OP's point about the DLC only being available while he remained subscribing, because with a subscription only model you don't get to play any of the game while unsubscribed while with this game you'll now get to play most of it - all of it if you use your crowns to buy the DLC.2 -
Keron✭✭✭✭✭
✭What makes me curious:
Why should they lower the subscription fee for exactly the same service they offer now only because they offer a reduced service (no DLC) for free?
That said: I still don't like the switch over.0 -
asteldian✭✭✭✭Well, rarely has a subscription given you its value in currency, so if this game does, then that alone makes it worthwhile if you like crown store stuff. 10% xp plus a fair value of crowns to buy more xp potions or even DLCs in case you stop sub (essentially allowing you to divide the cost of a DLC rather than lump sum purchase).0 -
The beauty of this system compared to purely sub-based ones is that you can buy the DLC at no cost through your monthly crown allowance and if you decide to cancel for a while you can still play the rest of the game without interruption and for free. Perhaps the OP would prefer the usual sub-based system whereby when he cancels he can't play the game at all.
Most people here do prefer the subscription only option. Moving to B2P is considered a sign of decline for every AAA MMO title.
LOL SUB BASED GAMES ARE NOW A SIGN OF DECLINE IN ANY GAME.
You make the game F2P and let people but stuff with the cash shop, or your make the game B2P get everything in the game and have them buy DLC and stuff with money. That is the way of the Future and the way ESO should have been from the start.0 -
Roechacca✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is only the begining of B2P . You haven't given it enough time for some real contriversy to pop up . I'll check back in September ...1 -
traigusb14_ESO2✭✭✭✭✭My trouble is that at transition there is no DLC to have.
The value of a sub seems to start really being worthwhile at 2 DLCs or more. Since we know no DLC until June + it seems kind of a waste until then. Usually when games go B2P there is a bit more value in the sub. I'll probably keep mine up, but I don't feel I will be getting a good value until August+ probably.
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Mr.Hmm✭✭✭✭The beauty of this system compared to purely sub-based ones is that you can buy the DLC at no cost through your monthly crown allowance and if you decide to cancel for a while you can still play the rest of the game without interruption and for free. Perhaps the OP would prefer the usual sub-based system whereby when he cancels he can't play the game at all.
I think he is looking for World Of Warcraft.If I die tomorrow I do not want to think of the game I could of played today, therefor I will play whatever I want today while securing a future to play in as well.
A true gamer will think of all the possible outcomes and execute the one that is the hardest to accomplish.0 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Most people here do prefer the subscription only option. Moving to B2P is considered a sign of decline for every AAA MMO title.
Yet it's not. Microtransactions generates way more revenue than online subscriptions today. Games aren't switching to f2p/b2p because population is declining rapidly or dying game blah blah, they're doing it to make even more money. Can focus more on store items, while less pressure on developing new content.
Sure, there's still a few subscription based games left like WoW. But that's because they somehow get away with both. They can store-milk the player base for huge amounts while still keeping mandatory subs
Topic: I'll agree that ESO PLUS is a pretty sad deal today. What should I even spend those 1500 crowns on? The exp boost is a joke, considering how little VR exp you gain in the first place. But in the future when there's more DLC available, more store stuff, I'm sure subbing will be more worthwhile.
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The_Drexill✭✭✭✭10% xp is barely noticeable. I don't think I'll sub without some content.Brandizzle - NB
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For teh covenant.1 -
Craven_Killmore✭✭✭10% does seem small I agree, but with an xp potion you could have 20-30% cp/xp gain if you stacked. Not using the new xp potions or having the sub xp buff will be slow. I think they nerfed all the xp so that people would feel forced to sub and drink xp potions, so many games have done that.1
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jwboudreau1b16_ESO wrote: »universe555 wrote: »I had planned on maintaining my subscription (active since day one) and letting it transition to ESO Plus; two things make this impossible.
1) My DLC is only active as a subscriber.
2) No decrease in the cost of subscription.
I have to think that the ultimate goal is to kill off subscribers.
But you also get 1500 Crowns, which, if the PTS was any indication, would equal aprox. $15 of real money. Also, there were rumours about ZOS adding a 12 month subscription, which would reduce the monthly subscription rate.
Not to mention, as a subscriber you get +10% inspiration, experience, and gold gain. Aside from supporting the development team, I feel like the rewards are worth it.
"Supporting the development team"? How can anyone believe that after this first year.
I appreciate the work that they've put into the game. They've released new content on a consistent basis, they've addressed a ridiculous amount of bugs, and they've been keeping the community in the loop with ESO Live segments, among other things. They've catered to a ton of things that the community has asked for, which many other developers wouldn't do. As much as there are still problems, many problems have been fixed and this feels like a much better game than before.0 -
jwboudreau1b16_ESO wrote: »universe555 wrote: »I had planned on maintaining my subscription (active since day one) and letting it transition to ESO Plus; two things make this impossible.
1) My DLC is only active as a subscriber.
2) No decrease in the cost of subscription.
I have to think that the ultimate goal is to kill off subscribers.
But you also get 1500 Crowns, which, if the PTS was any indication, would equal aprox. $15 of real money. Also, there were rumours about ZOS adding a 12 month subscription, which would reduce the monthly subscription rate.
Not to mention, as a subscriber you get +10% inspiration, experience, and gold gain. Aside from supporting the development team, I feel like the rewards are worth it.
Its only worth it if,
you min / max and therefore must always get the best out of your char for trial leaderboards & co
you are a cosmetic junky and need tons of pets, mounts and costumes
Its not worth it if,
you are a casual and don't need to be the first in everything
you don't do trials and therefore wont need 50% + of the DLC´s offered
The whole question if its worth it or not, depends highly on each individual player. Saying that the sub is worth it is as wrong as saying the sub isn't. Different people have different desires in games.
Sure, which is why I said that "I feel like the rewards are worth it". I didn't say "What are you talking about, Noob?! ZOS is obviously giving you an awesome deal!!"
Of course other players are going to have different needs, so I thought that I'd shed some light on why I'm continuing to subscribe and feel as though it's a reasonable deal.0 -
thumpthing✭✭✭I think what the OP was worried about was losing their DLC. From the lack of response I'll wager they figured it out.0 -
I now support the move to B2P for most games. Since the advent of computers, those of us who where there from the begining are now adults and have busy lives. And we still like our hobby. Even if you earn alot and a subscription amount is chicken change for you, you still will have limited time to play the game. So It is good when games are B2P of F2P. Yes most games will not have a nice model. Shakes fist at Star Trek Online and PWE!!
However, I think ESO should have launched with B2P from the begining and stick with it. They would have avoided all the hate and rage from players when they finally switched. Yeah I know this have been hammered alot on the forums.0 -
wraith808✭✭✭✭
1500 Crowns are not even worth mentioning when there is nothing interesting in the store.
Not even the DLC that is lamented as not being included?
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