Can someone explain this?

Domander

Nevermind, I don't think anyone knows.

See post 3 if you're curious.

Domander

I was just thinking, maybe mistform, but the math doesn't add up. It would actually be less with mist form.

bug?

is there some super secret way of reducing damage I don't know about?

Lord_Bidr

Domander wrote: »

Look at the tooltip and look at the combat log.

First (bottom) name was the target, cast it on them as they were running back to their group (zerg :P )

no effects were on me, I wasn't standing in a nova or anything.

this was today

Yea, damage on players is usually lower than what the tool tip says for all skills. The reason for that (this is what I think, I haven't heard any explanation from ZOS) is that the tool tip displays what the base damage will be.

It does not take into account any spell/armor resistance. So on a naked person with 0 spell/armor resistance you should hit a player for 5k minimum.

If a player has high resistance, the damage will logically be lower. If they have damage shields on, the damage will be further absorbed. If they block (and people should be blocking if they know damage is incoming), damage will be reduced even further.

Pets now take virtually no damage from AoE, which would be why the Dwarven Sphere took so little damage.

Tankqull

i do not see a problem, regarding the spellcost you are a stamina user wearing medium or heavy primarily.
opponents do have spellresist values wich you hardly touch without light armor and wich is ontop massivly increased in Cyrodiil as well as armorvalues to not see one hit kills all over the place. thus the dmg is heavily mitigated.
the first 6 targets(including one sphere) recieved your full dmg while the the 25 next possible targets recieve 50% of your dmg.
so in the end everything is perfectly fine on that screen.

Domander

Tooltip says 5836

It did 2101 to a damage shield

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damage shields have 0 resistance and blocking does not reduce the damage against a damage shield.

Domander

Tankqull wrote: »

i do not see a problem, regarding the spellcost you are a stamina user wearing medium or heavy primarily.
opponents do have spellresist values wich you hardly touch without light armor and wich is ontop massivly increased in Cyrodiil as well as armorvalues to not see one hit kills all over the place. thus the dmg is heavily mitigated.
the first 6 targets(including one sphere) recieved your full dmg while the the 25 next possible targets recieve 50% of your dmg.
so in the end everything is perfectly fine on that screen.

I'm sorry but you're wrong on so many things, except the reduced damage past 6 targets. This is expected.

as for the cost, the base cost is over 4.5k, which has nothing to do with this thread.

RinaldoGandolphi

Domander wrote: »

Tooltip says 5836

It did 2101 to a damage shield

..................

damage shields have 0 resistance and blocking does not reduce the damage against a damage shield.

Read the battle spirit passive on your character screen when you enter Cyrodiil, it flat out reduces all the damage you do, this is intended behavior. As for the second part, you probably hit more then the number that gets full damage.

Also remember vamps get the undeath passive that reduces the damage they take when they get below a certain health threshold that increases as health goes down.

Lastly, dont rely on CLS or any other add on as proof, they are buggy and dont report correctly. An example? Cast a spell at a blocking target and CLS will say you take damage which simply isn't true, if anything, I'd chalk this up as the API not reporting thr correct values.

Xsorus

Can't crit shields or blocking targets...just thought i'd add that

Huntler

Nice stam build bro.

Winnamine

There may also have been damage reducing effects in place, like someone casting a rememberance, for instance.
Or blocking (they better have been blocking >.>)

Xsorus

Why is everyone assuming he's stamina?

Because I can assure you..He's not stamina...

Huntler

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Why is everyone assuming he's stamina?

Because I can assure you..He's not stamina...

He's most certainly not a magicka damage build... and if he "thinks" he is then he needs to go back to the drawing board. If he's not stam he most certainly is not running a build meant to maximize that damage, so if he's not why complain that its bad damage? Care to explain his build? Because looking at the potion, his skills, the cost of magicka detonation, and the damage on it.... he is not running anything close to a dps build that would leverage magicka detonation.


In addition, as others have said several different factors could also be contributing to the reduction in damage here. I don't remember this exact instance so I can't tell you exactly what I did, but I'm usually running defensive buffs, blocking, etc. when expecting incoming damage. Could have been in a veil for all I know.



On the other hand... think I need to have a few words with tea pot about bombing us ><

Domander

Yeah I don't know, 26k magicka equals stam build I guess. I did forget to reequip my shoulders during this, so I was around 1k short of normal, but It shouldn't matter.

And yeah 20% is the damage reduction everyone gets, but a little math will make you wonder what's up.

It's a little over 1/3 of the damage against a damage shield. I can assure everyone blocking does not reduce damage vs a damage shield, unless its something wierd that's aoe specific. I even tested it again last night just to make sure they didn't change that mechanic. (It still costs stam though)

I'm just going to assume he mist formed even though the math says that's not it, or standing in a veil with aoe reduction and who knows what else, though it's unlikely, or this is a bug, hopefully not an exploitable one.

Or this ability is a dud. When I cast the ability the target was away from the group, then ran to the group where it then exploded. I don't think its doing the intended job.

Huntler

26k magicka doesn't = a build that will immediately do high damage. It takes a lot more than that. Looking at your skill bar I can immediately say it won't kill people or bring people close to it. You need to stack it with other things that will boost your damage. 26k magicka with garbage crit/spell damage/ damage buffs ain't gonna do anything. You're running a stamina pot which also means no spell power pot. No structured entropy either.

Xsorus

Huntler wrote: »

26k magicka doesn't = a build that will immediately do high damage. It takes a lot more than that. Looking at your skill bar I can immediately say it won't kill people or bring people close to it. You need to stack it with other things that will boost your damage. 26k magicka with garbage crit/spell damage/ damage buffs ain't gonna do anything. You're running a stamina pot which also means no spell power pot. No structured entropy either.

He could have those abilities on his second bar, regardless it took all but 2 seconds of looking at the tooltip to realize he wasn't stamina build.

Domander

Huntler wrote: »

26k magicka doesn't = a build that will immediately do high damage. It takes a lot more than that. Looking at your skill bar I can immediately say it won't kill people or bring people close to it. You need to stack it with other things that will boost your damage. 26k magicka with garbage crit/spell damage/ damage buffs ain't gonna do anything. You're running a stamina pot which also means no spell power pot. No structured entropy either.

Entropy is on my other bar, this is my off bar that I switched around to fight roaming masses and defend the scroll. I also didn't expect it to really hurt the group, I was just really wondering when I saw the damage.

It's also not a max damage build, and I wasn't complaining about my damage, I just wanted to know what will reduce the damage by 64%. With entropy and the empower buff it does over 7k. Its possible I had these buffs when cast, but then it makes even less sense. I did the math for that with mist form and such and it still doesn't come out right.

I'm wondering if blocking auto reduces the damage of that ability. I know you can block it, but normally damage shields will still take full damage. If that's the answer then great, knowledge is power, but I dont think anyone knows. There's magic damage reduction in the champion tree also, but still...

Huntler

Blocking does reduce the damage of the ability, quite considerably in fact. However its unlikely everyone was blocking, then again some were shields. Hard to say exactly what we were doing, but I'd chalk it up to stacking of damage reduction, possibly some other things as well because I see magicka det do much, much more damage than that all the time.

Domander

Huntler wrote: »

Blocking does reduce the damage of the ability, quite considerably in fact. However its unlikely everyone was blocking, then again some were shields. Hard to say exactly what we were doing, but I'd chalk it up to stacking of damage reduction, possibly some other things as well because I see magicka det do much, much more damage than that all the time.

Yeah its an interesting puzzle.I just like to figure stuff out if I can.

On a side note, I think Mojar is running the new dual wield aoe reducing buff, or the heavy armor set.Good to know that works.

IxSTALKERxI

Yeah I run quick cloak which is 20% aoe damage reduction. I don't do the heavy armor set though.