So, Sorcerers eh... :)

P3ZZL3

Hi Guys.

Wanted to throw this out there because right now I'm banging my head against the wall a little. Well, not banging. More scratching

I'm running a v8 Sorc, Breton right now. I've recently redone the Seducer set up to spec for a V8 and still have the v1 Warlock set. I'm a Magicka based Sorc as well.

Anyhoooo....What I'm wondering is, what with the changes to LA and various other things, is whether the Warlock/Seducer (5/5) is still the best route to go?

Allowing with buffs on the food/drinks/potions is it not worth considering MA sets which give better protection and higher weapon crit/magicka?

I'm no statistician and I do not dig down into the game mechanics like some of you out there - I'm not a "pro" player - but I've put in a shed load of hours (about 20 days now since Jan) and I'm staying a Magicka Based Sorc till the day I die.

So yeah, just interested to hear others opinions before I start blasting through binding equipment trying stuff out

Cheers
Pez.

Flaminir

To put everything as simply as possible in 1.6 (I'm working on the assumption that you are a magicka dps type character).

All your current sets are geared around magicka sustain, in 1.6 that means your DPS will be akin to a wet noodle.

The current 'way to go' seems to be stacking spell power as much as possible as this is the most potent way to increase your damage output.

Tips:

Spell power buffs on sets are the most powerful. Assuming at V8 you don't want to spend a fortune or go farming for ages for drops then there are still some decent viable crafted sets...

Try 2 piece Torugs pact (Spell power)
4 piece Magnus gift (Spell power, magicka & magicka regen)

You could even add another 1 piece on each of those & get extra health & magicka sustain.

If you can afford a couple of cyrodiils light rings from the vendors in cyrodill then that would help I Think they do them at V6 if memory serves, but worth checking) as two of these will give you spell power too. If you don't have the AP then its quick to get it, or ask somebody in a guild who PvP's if they can get them for you & pay them in gold... PvP'ers are always broke ;o)

Another thing to consider is that if you have access to the undaunted passive (Undaunted mettle?) which gives you extra resources for wearing different armor types then try & go with 1 medium & 1 heavy piece.... preferably either head chest or legs (They give the biggest armor buff)... this will give you A. More protection than 7 light... & B. 4% extra health/magicka/stamina. The only light armor passive you're giving up is the 7 piece which gives a totally useless 0.3% crit... so its a good tradeoff.


Hope this helps

Sphinx2318

people still run sorc builds post 1.6?

LtCrunch

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

people still run sorc builds post 1.6?

Le sigh

Tankqull

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

people still run sorc builds post 1.6?

fewer and fewer every day

Flaminir

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

people still run sorc builds post 1.6?

Yes....

As one person from a high end PvE guild said today 'They are not nerfed... they are still just the same' .... which means still not up with the 2 dominant powerhouse classes, BUT they are more fun to play in 1.6 than they were previously.

Its just there are a lot of changes & things are still shaking down.

Some stuff was nerfed, some was buffed... it kinda evens out to leave them where they were in PvE, but really strong in PvP in the right hands.

But this could all change over time as we adjust.

P3ZZL3

Flaminir...
Thanks for the insightful post! This is the kind of thoughts I'm looking for.
I'll get those built tonight and give them a whirl.
You mentioned rings in Cyrodill. I can get in there, so not a problem. What kind am I looking for. Gold isn't a problem (unless they are over 100k?).

I've got a 5 piece drop set for Elegant which I was wondering whether are worth it. Decent weapon damage and magicka boost (http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elegance+Set) - what are your thoughts on it?


Brandalf - I couldn't agree with your comment more!

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ZRage

I prefer magicka cost reduction / recovery over pure spell power, the thing is with the mechanic in this game, people can just block your burst and if you dont have enough magicka in your pocket you gonna ALT+F4 and uninstal sooner.

On the other hand In PvE anything can work so it's up to you.

P3ZZL3

This is the thing Z.

Almost EVERY post you read about builds and such are all about Time Trials or PVP. You MUST have this that and another.

I'm a fun player. Granted, WAYYYYY to much time spent in here, but still a fun player.

It just seems that this way of playing is a dying type over the "must be the best" brigade. *shrugs*

Bfish22090

I personally love the changes to the sorcerer
I run 5 light 2 soulshine heavy
I mainly use the daedric summoning class tree with daedric prey, lightning flood and crystal fragments mixed in
Currently pulling 12k single target DPS as a v14

Flaminir

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

You mentioned rings in Cyrodill. I can get in there, so not a problem. What kind am I looking for. Gold isn't a problem (unless they are over 100k?).

I've got a 5 piece drop set for Elegant which I was wondering whether are worth it. Decent weapon damage and magicka boost (http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elegance+Set) - what are your thoughts on it?

Boosting weapon power is now only for stamina/weapon users. In 1.6 all your magicka skills & staff stuff scales off spell power/crit/magicka. Soooo... the elegance set won't be doing anything for you, a wasted buff if you will.

The rings are called 'Ring/Band of Cyrodiils Light' & are sold in Cyrodiil at the gear vendors in the north/south morrowind gates only for Alliance points (AP) which you get by PvP'ing. OR... just ask somebody who PvP's a bit if they could buy them with their AP and you pay them in gold... Its worth double checking... I'm sure there was a V6 version of them which would be great for your build....

Those rings would allow you to get 3 spell power boosts in, while still keeping several buffs in the gear I suggested for both health & magicka sustain. Feels like a reasonable balanced build without grafting too much for gear if you aren't min/maxing to get to the top of the trials leaderboard!

P3ZZL3

Interesting Bfish. I've recently got a couple of the Soulshine. Was thinking about using it

Cuyler

@P3ZZL3,

What's the focus of this build? PvE? PvP?

eventide03b14a_ESO

Flaminir wrote: »

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

people still run sorc builds post 1.6?

Yes....

As one person from a high end PvE guild said today 'They are not nerfed... they are still just the same' .... which means still not up with the 2 dominant powerhouse classes, BUT they are more fun to play in 1.6 than they were previously.

Its just there are a lot of changes & things are still shaking down.

Some stuff was nerfed, some was buffed... it kinda evens out to leave them where they were in PvE, but really strong in PvP in the right hands.

But this could all change over time as we adjust.

I have come to the same conclusion. That's why I'm baffled by all the nerf threads. They really haven't changed except they are more fun and you can run a viable pet build at least for solo reasons. It's also a bit early on and it's hard to see whether there will be significant gains with more CP spent.

Flaminir

ZRage wrote: »

I prefer magicka cost reduction / recovery over pure spell power, the thing is with the mechanic in this game, people can just block your burst and if you dont have enough magicka in your pocket you gonna ALT+F4 and uninstal sooner.

On the other hand In PvE anything can work so it's up to you.

Spell cost reduction glyphs are the new meta for jewellery as they are the most 'un-nerfed' so agree there.

Sounds like you're talking PvP... & I like the changes there... people can't block forever now (Well... magicka builds can't anyway! lol). so the burst side come back into play a bit.

As in everything in life... balance is the key... some sustain, & some dps. Otherwise as you say you'll go OOM too soon,, or if going full cost reduction/recovery (Like the 1.5 warlock/seducer that we all wore) then you hit like a wet noodle.

Sphinx2318

@P3ZZL3, here is your constructive answer: level up your sorc past vr8 and you might not have as many problems? plz dont cry on forums about your probs when you have not even properly set your build up. at your lvl you cannot have proper enchantments, stats and buffs to compete with the higher levels. nuff said

olsborg

jabbawa

P3ZZL3

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

@P3ZZL3, here is your constructive answer: level up your sorc past vr8 and you might not have as many problems? plz dont cry on forums about your probs when you have not even properly set your build up. at your lvl you cannot have proper enchantments, stats and buffs to compete with the higher levels. nuff said

lol.... Not reallllly constructive is it...

Sorry Ols...I should have said, more of a PVE player at this point

Merlin13KAGL

It comes down to sustain vs DPS, Magicka based (overall) vs Stamina based (overall). A lot of it depends on your playstyle and gear setup.

Medium will benefit weapon/stamina based attack style more - (anything but Staves, basically)

Light will give you better passives for Magicka based, but will offer little in the way of protection. Go with 5 light, 2 Heavy and get something of the best of both worlds.

Crafted's make Heavy the major piece(s) (Chest, head, Legs, Shield if you use one) to get the most bang for your armor class buck.

Seducer is good, but not as necessary as it once was. You can get cost reduction passives in CP line that will give you 1/2 of what Seducer does now. Add reduction glyphs to jewelry and your sustain will not be as bad as you think it will.

Soulshine was pretty good, but Spell Crit is not what it used to be, especially with the reduced effectiveness of Surge. Cyro's Light will give you more bang for the buck. You can hold onto Soulshine for later when you unlock the 12% Spell Crit passive in CP's.

Consider the benefit of Warlock as an increase in your Regen (just at a faster rate). If you rarely get below 33%, you rarely benefit from the 5 piece proc.

As such, you may find more benefit in a different set gear, whether crafted or dropped.

While you might lose some sustain or reduction, bear in mind that higher spell damage also means things die faster. You don't need sustain if something it laying on the ground clutching its chest...

What Mundus stone are you currently using? Certain thngs can be made up for much more with mundus since there are no more softcaps.

BBSooner

olsborg wrote: »

If youre a pvper, I highly suggest the following sets:

5x Arena
4x Healers (ring,ring,neck+boots)
2x Torugs.

This, in conjuction with the Mage mundus stone, and the fact that all your traits are divine, except on head,tunic,legs wich are infused. You can have 30k+ magicka, 1700ish unbuffed spelldamage and decent magicka regen. Its great, simply great...for pvp.

Interesting, I have yet to build for PvP after 1.6, is impenetrable not a go-to trait for a few secondary armor pieces anymore?

Sphinx2318

BBSooner wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

If youre a pvper, I highly suggest the following sets:

5x Arena
4x Healers (ring,ring,neck+boots)
2x Torugs.

This, in conjuction with the Mage mundus stone, and the fact that all your traits are divine, except on head,tunic,legs wich are infused. You can have 30k+ magicka, 1700ish unbuffed spelldamage and decent magicka regen. Its great, simply great...for pvp.

Interesting, I have yet to build for PvP after 1.6, is impenetrable not a go-to trait for a few secondary armor pieces anymore?

impen is out, reinforced is new pvp meta

Flaminir

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

@P3ZZL3, here is your constructive answer: level up your sorc past vr8 and you might not have as many problems? plz dont cry on forums about your probs when you have not even properly set your build up. at your lvl you cannot have proper enchantments, stats and buffs to compete with the higher levels. nuff said

He wasn't crying on the forums... he wasn't whining or being part of the other 'sorc sucks' threads.... he was constructively asking for help & advice!

He was asking for help to properly set his build up.

He never said he was trying to compete with the higher levels.

This is a constructive thread, so if you have some advice that will help the OP with their questions then feel free to add it, if not then there are plenty of other threads that you can frequent!

Cuyler

I found that everyone is different in terms of how much cost reduction they need. Personally I don't need any enchants on my armor. The magician points from the CS are adequate that I don't run oom. This has a lot to do with your rotation and how often you use your spells.

A lot of ppl button mash more than needed thinking it will make dps go up and consequently run oom. What I recommend is go to one end of the spectrum and slowly work back. For example I went full spell damage stacking and then took away spell damage to increase cost reduction until I was satisfied with my rotations and not running oom. As I stated, the CS magician passive was enough CR for me, but to each his own everyone is different.

Sphinx2318

Flaminir wrote: »

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

@P3ZZL3, here is your constructive answer: level up your sorc past vr8 and you might not have as many problems? plz dont cry on forums about your probs when you have not even properly set your build up. at your lvl you cannot have proper enchantments, stats and buffs to compete with the higher levels. nuff said

He wasn't crying on the forums... he wasn't whining or being part of the other 'sorc sucks' threads.... he was constructively asking for help & advice!

He was asking for help to properly set his build up.

He never said he was trying to compete with the higher levels.

This is a constructive thread, so if you have some advice that will help the OP with their questions then feel free to add it, if not then there are plenty of other threads that you can frequent!

Yes father

Flaminir

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

Sphinx2318 wrote: »

@P3ZZL3, here is your constructive answer: level up your sorc past vr8 and you might not have as many problems? plz dont cry on forums about your probs when you have not even properly set your build up. at your lvl you cannot have proper enchantments, stats and buffs to compete with the higher levels. nuff said

He wasn't crying on the forums... he wasn't whining or being part of the other 'sorc sucks' threads.... he was constructively asking for help & advice!

He was asking for help to properly set his build up.

He never said he was trying to compete with the higher levels.

This is a constructive thread, so if you have some advice that will help the OP with their questions then feel free to add it, if not then there are plenty of other threads that you can frequent!

Yes father

No problem son... now if you are good you can have a sweetroll before bed!

ArcanusMagus

I'm with you on the fun aspect of things. Your dps is garbage if you get bored with your build or frustrated with your class and quit the game.

Right now I'm stacking spell power with Martial Knowledge (x4), Cyrodiil's light (x2), Adroitness (x2), and Torug's Pact (x3). I enchanted my jewelry to give me more spellpower since magicka regen and cost reduction can be bought with champion points. That configuration gives me the most spellpower that I can get (I think) and still leaves me some flexibility with appearance (important, I think, if you're looking at your character every day).

I hit pretty hard, and I rely on Degeneration (morph of Entropy in the Mages Guild line) to give myself a nice spell power boost and HoT to push my spell damage even higher.

I wear all light armor, but with the Torug's Pact gear I could make two pieces of my armor medium or heavy if I so chose (the third piece of that set I'm using is my staff). I might experiment with that soon for more survivability, but when the patch dropped I wanted to work on my dps first. In the meantime, I'm using Hardened Ward (from the Daedric Summoning line) to bolster my defenses with a powerful damage shield that I can spam whenever I want.

I do not use pets for alot of reasons, but mainly because I hate the idea of turning over my toolbar slots to derpy A.I. pets.

Edit: And remember to throw light and heavy attacks into the mix! Now that the animation is cleaner, it's alot easier to do!

Cuyler

It's important as a sorc to realize the synergy of our passives and how that transfers to what skills are on your bars. The expert mage passive in the Storm calling tree grant additional spell damage for each sorc skill on your bar. Conversely, the Magicka controller passive from the mages tree will increase max magicka and regen for each skill slotted. Setting up your bars to take advantage of these passives can make a big difference and can easily be switched for the situation.

Edit: Don't forget too that sorcs have access to a third skill bar when using overload as well.

Cuyler

The new meta for armor is 5 light, 1 heavy and 1 medium to best take advantage of the widest range of passives. I'm currently wearing 6 light, 1 heavy:

5pc Martial Knowledge (LA) - gloves, legs, belt, shoes, chest
2pc Cyrodiil's Light (jewel) - rings
2pc Adroitness (LA) - neck, head
2pc Torug's Pact (HA) - shoulders, weapons

I plan to go to:

4pc Martial Knowledge (LA) - gloves, legs, belt, shoes
2pc Cyrodiils Light (jewel) - rings
2pc Adroitness (LA) - neck, chest
2pc Mephala's Set or 2pc Valkyn Skoria's (MA, HA) - head, shoulders

This is for a PvE spell damage stacking build. I believe martial knowledge scales to your level in craglorn cyrodiil dolmen and dungeon chests.

ArcanusMagus

Cuyler wrote: »

This is for a PvE spell damage stacking build. I believe martial knowledge scales to your level in craglorn upon drop.

I'm pretty sure that Martial Knowledge drops as v11 in Lower Craglorn, v13 in Upper Craglorn, and to your level from Cyrodiil dolmens and treasure maps.

Cuyler

ArcanusMagus wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

This is for a PvE spell damage stacking build. I believe martial knowledge scales to your level in craglorn upon drop.

I'm pretty sure that Martial Knowledge drops as v11 in Lower Craglorn, v13 in Upper Craglorn, and to your level from Cyrodiil dolmens and treasure maps.

Thanks, yea couldn't remember what level crag drops were.

P3ZZL3

So, a farming I shall go this evening. Unless anyone has any v8 gear they wanna sell?