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So, No Thieves Guild? Or New Armor Types?

Vaerth
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I kind of figured adding the thieves guild with the justice system would go together. Why did they not launch it? We can steal and break the law and sell stolen goods to fences, yet we have no thieves guild? Not even the thieves guild armor to go along with leveling my Legerdemain? Really?

Does anyone have news on when we will see the Thieves Guild in the game now that the Justice system has been implemented?
Pact Bloodwraith
  • bloodenragedb14_ESO
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    well, since free to play was announced, id imagine they didnt do it in order to make money on making it a dlc. also im not sure its done yet.
  • AlnilamE
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    Are you new here?

    It's been known for months that TO was not going to be added at this point.

    The Justice System is only partially implemented as of yet. They are still working on the PvP portion.
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  • glak
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    Going further, you won't see thieves guild or dark brotherhood until well after the console release.
  • BBSooner
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    AlnilamE wrote: »
    Are you new here?

    It's been known for months that TO was not going to be added at this point.

    The Justice System is only partially implemented as of yet. They are still working on the PvP portion.

    Yeah ... I've got to agree, we've known the entire scope of this patch since January. No surprise that we didn't get anything they didn't say we'd get.
  • FadedJeans
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    Looking forward to it all, though.

    Would love to get Thieves' Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Dawnguard, etc, added to the game.
  • Vaerth
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    AlnilamE wrote: »
    Are you new here?

    It's been known for months that TO was not going to be added at this point.

    The Justice System is only partially implemented as of yet. They are still working on the PvP portion.

    Yes, I am, is that a problem? No idea what TO is abbreviated for either.
    Pact Bloodwraith
  • Vaerth
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    glak wrote: »
    Going further, you won't see thieves guild or dark brotherhood until well after the console release.

    Dang, that really suck as the armor style I want is that far away...
    Pact Bloodwraith
  • Vaerth
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    BBSooner wrote: »
    AlnilamE wrote: »
    Are you new here?

    It's been known for months that TO was not going to be added at this point.

    The Justice System is only partially implemented as of yet. They are still working on the PvP portion.

    Yeah ... I've got to agree, we've known the entire scope of this patch since January. No surprise that we didn't get anything they didn't say we'd get.

    Agree to what?
    Pact Bloodwraith
  • BBSooner
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    Vaerth wrote: »
    BBSooner wrote: »
    AlnilamE wrote: »
    Are you new here?

    It's been known for months that TO was not going to be added at this point.

    The Justice System is only partially implemented as of yet. They are still working on the PvP portion.

    Yeah ... I've got to agree, we've known the entire scope of this patch since January. No surprise that we didn't get anything they didn't say we'd get.

    Agree to what?

    With the statement I quoted.
  • Sotha_Sil
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    The thieves guild would have been perfect with the champion system... A few solo story quest and daily quests with exp. It doesn't take much to do this and would have made the game even better.
    Edited by Sotha_Sil on March 11, 2015 2:53PM
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  • Kragorn
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    Vaerth wrote: »
    AlnilamE wrote: »
    Are you new here?

    It's been known for months that TO was not going to be added at this point.

    The Justice System is only partially implemented as of yet. They are still working on the PvP portion.

    Yes, I am, is that a problem? No idea what TO is abbreviated for either.
    I've no idea either, I suspect it was meant to be TG but maybe we'll both learn something new. ;)
  • AlnilamE
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    Vaerth wrote: »
    AlnilamE wrote: »
    Are you new here?

    It's been known for months that TO was not going to be added at this point.

    The Justice System is only partially implemented as of yet. They are still working on the PvP portion.

    Yes, I am, is that a problem? No idea what TO is abbreviated for either.

    LOL!! Sorry, autocorrect fail. That was supposed to be TG (Thieves Guild). I really hate my phone sometimes.
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  • Vaerth
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    AlnilamE wrote: »
    Vaerth wrote: »
    AlnilamE wrote: »
    Are you new here?

    It's been known for months that TO was not going to be added at this point.

    The Justice System is only partially implemented as of yet. They are still working on the PvP portion.

    Yes, I am, is that a problem? No idea what TO is abbreviated for either.

    LOL!! Sorry, autocorrect fail. That was supposed to be TG (Thieves Guild). I really hate my phone sometimes.

    I know right! Lol dang auto correct is the worst good idea ever!
    Pact Bloodwraith
  • Vaerth
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    Sotha_Sil wrote: »
    The thieves guild would have been perfect with the champion system... A few solo story quest and daily quests with exp. It doesn't take much to do this and would have made the game even better.

    I figured with the new world skill line Legerdemain that though would be the Thieves Guild skill line, lol, I mean, it is all theif stuff...lmao.
    Pact Bloodwraith
  • Carnagan
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    The Justice System is something they're going to release in parts anyway.

    Phase 1 - Introduce the system and make sure that the core of it is working and having the intended results.

    Phase 2* - Introduce player Guards and make sure the addition to the system is working and having the intended results.

    Phase 3* - Introduce Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood/Profit.

    It's the same reason they didn't just dump the Champion system into the game in a single go. They wanted to make sure the sub-systems were working and having the intended results. Dumping the Veteran Ranks AND going straight to the Champion system in a single update would be way too much to sort out when the inevitable bugs pop up.

    This is why the Justice System is rolling out the way it is. Easier to prepare for the next phase than try and fix the tangle of code in one go.

    *Phases possibly reversed.
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  • Vaerth
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    Carnagan wrote: »
    The Justice System is something they're going to release in parts anyway.

    Phase 1 - Introduce the system and make sure that the core of it is working and having the intended results.

    Phase 2* - Introduce player Guards and make sure the addition to the system is working and having the intended results.

    Phase 3* - Introduce Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood/Profit.

    It's the same reason they didn't just dump the Champion system into the game in a single go. They wanted to make sure the sub-systems were working and having the intended results. Dumping the Veteran Ranks AND going straight to the Champion system in a single update would be way too much to sort out when the inevitable bugs pop up.

    This is why the Justice System is rolling out the way it is. Easier to prepare for the next phase than try and fix the tangle of code in one go.

    *Phases possibly reversed.

    Very good and helpful post, thank you! Though I hope they release the armor styles sooner than the actual guild if this is the case, I simply want the style lol.
    Pact Bloodwraith
  • AlnilamE
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    Now that I think of it, I hope they put the motif in pages like they did with Dwemer and make them all only be found as stealable items. :-P

    /evil
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  • daemonios
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    Vaerth wrote: »
    I kind of figured adding the thieves guild with the justice system would go together. Why did they not launch it? We can steal and break the law and sell stolen goods to fences, yet we have no thieves guild? Not even the thieves guild armor to go along with leveling my Legerdemain? Really?

    Does anyone have news on when we will see the Thieves Guild in the game now that the Justice system has been implemented?

    I think Legerdemain *is* the Thieves Guild. But the devs never played Elder Scrolls, so they didn't know there was one... *sigh*
  • Carnagan
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    daemonios wrote: »
    I think Legerdemain *is* the Thieves Guild. But the devs never played Elder Scrolls, so they didn't know there was one... *sigh*

    The Thieves guild will come. Again, they want to make sure the basic Justice system is working properly before they introduce an entirely new questline that relies heavily on it. It has nothing to do with them not playing the series and everything to do with them wanting to get it right.

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  • Vaerth
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    AlnilamE wrote: »
    Now that I think of it, I hope they put the motif in pages like they did with Dwemer and make them all only be found as stealable items. :-P

    /evil

    Pretty awesome idea! I totally think this would be a wicked awesome way to do this!
    Pact Bloodwraith
  • Vaerth
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    daemonios wrote: »
    Vaerth wrote: »
    I kind of figured adding the thieves guild with the justice system would go together. Why did they not launch it? We can steal and break the law and sell stolen goods to fences, yet we have no thieves guild? Not even the thieves guild armor to go along with leveling my Legerdemain? Really?

    Does anyone have news on when we will see the Thieves Guild in the game now that the Justice system has been implemented?

    I think Legerdemain *is* the Thieves Guild. But the devs never played Elder Scrolls, so they didn't know there was one... *sigh*

    Agreed
    Pact Bloodwraith
  • Enodoc
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    Vaerth wrote: »
    daemonios wrote: »
    Vaerth wrote: »
    I kind of figured adding the thieves guild with the justice system would go together. Why did they not launch it? We can steal and break the law and sell stolen goods to fences, yet we have no thieves guild? Not even the thieves guild armor to go along with leveling my Legerdemain? Really?

    Does anyone have news on when we will see the Thieves Guild in the game now that the Justice system has been implemented?

    I think Legerdemain *is* the Thieves Guild. But the devs never played Elder Scrolls, so they didn't know there was one... *sigh*

    Agreed
    Thieves Guild will likely have a separate skill line from Legerdemain focused mainly on some other aspect of thievery (no I can't actually think of other aspects of thievery they haven't already covered), or may have more of a Nocturnal vibe. It will also need some Active Abilities, which Legerdemain doesn't have.
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  • AlnilamE
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    Or they can just add some active abilities and other passives to Legerdemain, as they did with Undaunted.
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  • Sneak_Thief
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    There will be a thieves guild or dark brotherhood disguise, I can't remember which of the two I found.Not sure when that dlc is coming but I know the disguise exist.

    Ive also found Nightingale armor, it sounds like a dropped set, but possible a unique motif dropped set. Won't really know til we get it.

    Also to clear up the confusion, just because one steals, does not mean they are in the thieves guild. This is why thieves guild is not yet release. It will be more of a guild/quest related addition, vs just thieving for achievements. I also think it was supposed to be someone sequential, thieving comes first, thus the rise of the thieves guild once again to establish itself. I believe this is how they will work it in.
    Edited by Sneak_Thief on March 12, 2015 3:49PM
  • ben_ESO5
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    Thieves Guild will likely have a separate skill line from Legerdemain focused mainly on some other aspect of thievery (no I can't actually think of other aspects of thievery they haven't already covered), or may have more of a Nocturnal vibe. It will also need some Active Abilities, which Legerdemain doesn't have.

    It would make sense to be a separate skill line. With Legerdemain in the game, ZOS has the opportunity to make the Thieves Guild introduction something awesome -- if they do it right, it would make the most sense for players to have to be a certain rank in Legerdemain before they can try to join the TG -- you wouldn't expect them to accept any ol' schlub off the street with no skills.

  • Vaerth
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    ben_ESO5 wrote: »
    Enodoc wrote: »
    Thieves Guild will likely have a separate skill line from Legerdemain focused mainly on some other aspect of thievery (no I can't actually think of other aspects of thievery they haven't already covered), or may have more of a Nocturnal vibe. It will also need some Active Abilities, which Legerdemain doesn't have.

    It would make sense to be a separate skill line. With Legerdemain in the game, ZOS has the opportunity to make the Thieves Guild introduction something awesome -- if they do it right, it would make the most sense for players to have to be a certain rank in Legerdemain before they can try to join the TG -- you wouldn't expect them to accept any ol' schlub off the street with no skills.

    Your on to somethin, perhaps a Thieves guild rep would approach you after maxing Legerdemain because you show the skills to be a member?
    Pact Bloodwraith
  • Knight0fTruth
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    I know this thread is a bit dated, but did they ever put the Thieve's Guild in the game? It seems dumb that they'd have Fighters and Mage but no Thieves?? Just want to know so I can RP my character accordingly!
  • TheShadowScout
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    Soon.
    -ish.

    First they were all caught up in releasing the console versions, now tzhey'll be spending some time fixing the console versions until they work right (anyone remember how that worked last year upon release? Yeah, like that...), and then... then we'll finally be getting some new goodies. At least, that's what everyone assumes is the plan.

    And yeah, I too an waiting eagerly...
  • Rastafariel
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    It can't come soon enough. Better make it out well before 11/10/15!
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