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Grinding and the Champion System
Lava_Croft
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On one hand, ZOS does not seem to like the classic grinding and fixes locations that aid grinders.
On the other hand, ZOS rewards these very same people with the introduction of the Champion System.
How? The grinders are VR14 while still having a ton of PvE quests to complete, aiding them in acquiring Champion Points at a higher rate than those poor suckers like me, who just timidly did all the nice PvE content ZOS has created for us.
There's probably some witty remark or quote which applies to this situation, but I'm just a bit too disheartened to think of one.
On the other hand, ZOS rewards these very same people with the introduction of the Champion System.
How? The grinders are VR14 while still having a ton of PvE quests to complete, aiding them in acquiring Champion Points at a higher rate than those poor suckers like me, who just timidly did all the nice PvE content ZOS has created for us.
There's probably some witty remark or quote which applies to this situation, but I'm just a bit too disheartened to think of one.
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Grinding is still faster than questing I can pull 6-8 points every 2-3 hours + tones of mats for crafting by running the same dungeon over and over and over and...1
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Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭Dear ZOS,
No one will play when it sucks beyond diehard comprehension.
Please stop for the love of god.Kiki Dickson ~~~ Dixmanian Devil ~~~ Cornelius Buckshank Jr.
Histy-Fitz ~~~ Boozemer ~~~ Chace X'expo
Lluvia De'Fuego ~~~ Shakes Spear
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Not anymore you can't.cchin256b16_ESO wrote: »Grinding is still faster than questing I can pull 6-8 points every 2-3 hours + tones of mats for crafting by running the same dungeon over and over and over and...0 -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭cchin256b16_ESO wrote: »Grinding is still faster than questing I can pull 6-8 points every 2-3 hours + tones of mats for crafting by running the same dungeon over and over and over and...
Where is the best place to grind?0 -
derpsticks✭✭✭✭What was this exploit with keep bonuses?
My guess is the xp bonus itself was an exploit. It pays to be in a buff server. Now it'll take that much longer to get a point.0 -
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155833/walkthroughs-for-the-dbd-rahniza-sword-delve-xp-run?new=1
one of them i will be searching craiglorn for more.1 -
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✭✭✭✭The point is not that I am looking for a spot to grind. The point is that on one hand ZOS seems to dislike grinding by constantly nerfing any location that is found, while on the other hand rewarding the same grinders by making Champion Points much easier to acquire via the regular PvE quests.
Thank you for the video anyway, seems you are resourceful!
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Lava_Croft wrote: »The point is not that I am looking for a spot to grind. The point is that on one hand ZOS seems to dislike grinding by constantly nerfing any location that is found, while on the other hand rewarding the same grinders by making Champion Points much easier to acquire via the regular PvE quests.
Thank you for the video anyway, seems you are resourceful!
well not really, each quest averages about 4500xp... 1 small mob group is worth that in the dungeon.0 -
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Yes, resourceful!cchin256b16_ESO wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »The point is not that I am looking for a spot to grind. The point is that on one hand ZOS seems to dislike grinding by constantly nerfing any location that is found, while on the other hand rewarding the same grinders by making Champion Points much easier to acquire via the regular PvE quests.
Thank you for the video anyway, seems you are resourceful!
well not really, each quest averages about 4500xp... 1 small mob group is worth that in the dungeon.
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Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭Dear ZOS,
No one will play when it sucks beyond diehard comprehension.
Please stop for the love of god.Kiki Dickson ~~~ Dixmanian Devil ~~~ Cornelius Buckshank Jr.
Histy-Fitz ~~~ Boozemer ~~~ Chace X'expo
Lluvia De'Fuego ~~~ Shakes Spear
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✭✭✭✭✭They should just never have added combat bonuses into Champion System. If this was passive fun and not power bases benefits not as many people would feel they need to grind CP to then be able to play the game.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Govalon✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »On one hand, ZOS does not seem to like the classic grinding and fixes locations that aid grinders.
On the other hand, ZOS rewards these very same people with the introduction of the Champion System.
How? The grinders are VR14 while still having a ton of PvE quests to complete, aiding them in acquiring Champion Points at a higher rate than those poor suckers like me, who just timidly did all the nice PvE content ZOS has created for us.
There's probably some witty remark or quote which applies to this situation, but I'm just a bit too disheartened to think of one.
Don't be ridiculous. Grinders won't do the quests for xp. The return is garbage compared to what you get from one trash pull. Nobody should do the quests for XP. They are for the story and most of them are really great at that. They are not for getting champion points.1 -
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✭Don't be ridiculous. Grinders won't do the quests for xp. The return is garbage compared to what you get from one trash pull. Nobody should do the quests for XP. They are for the story and most of them are really great at that. They are not for getting champion points.
Uh, are you saying it is right that grinding is by far the best way to gain CP?
Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!1 -
Govalon✭✭✭✭Don't be ridiculous. Grinders won't do the quests for xp. The return is garbage compared to what you get from one trash pull. Nobody should do the quests for XP. They are for the story and most of them are really great at that. They are not for getting champion points.
Uh, are you saying it is right that grinding is by far the best way to gain CP?
No, I am saying that the scenario OP is presenting is not true at all. Currently, there is no reason to do quests if you do not care about the story. The xp is garbage. Grinders will still grind and not do quests because grinding is better xp. I am not saying this is a good thing, I am just saying this is how it is.4 -
kelly.medleyb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭cchin256b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/155833/walkthroughs-for-the-dbd-rahniza-sword-delve-xp-run?new=1
one of them i will be searching craiglorn for more.
Thanks. Guess I'll have to break down and go do that grind in order to not lag to far behind. Pitiful really.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The problem isn't that grinding isn't good. The problem is that people like the OP want grinding to be markedly better than any other type of XP source in the game.
And by the way, OP: most of ZO's "nerfs" have been exploit fixes. Grinders have been deliberately exploiting spawning bugs in order to gain far more XP than they should be able to get. People should count themselves lucky they didn't experience rollbacks and/or bans for their cheating.----
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thelordoffelines✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »The problem isn't that grinding isn't good. The problem is that people like the OP want grinding to be markedly better than any other type of XP source in the game.
And by the way, OP: most of ZO's "nerfs" have been exploit fixes. Grinders have been deliberately exploiting spawning bugs in order to gain far more XP than they should be able to get. People should count themselves lucky they didn't experience rollbacks and/or bans for their cheating.
Spell scar wasn't a bug or exploit. Skyreach wasn't a bug or exploit. The dwarven place wasn't a bug or exploit.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭thelordoffelines wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »The problem isn't that grinding isn't good. The problem is that people like the OP want grinding to be markedly better than any other type of XP source in the game.
And by the way, OP: most of ZO's "nerfs" have been exploit fixes. Grinders have been deliberately exploiting spawning bugs in order to gain far more XP than they should be able to get. People should count themselves lucky they didn't experience rollbacks and/or bans for their cheating.
Spell scar wasn't a bug or exploit. Skyreach wasn't a bug or exploit. The dwarven place wasn't a bug or exploit.
The dwarven ruin where people were only killing the first few enemies, porting out to reset, and then jumping back in to kill them again in order to gain far more XP than they possibly could under normal circumstances?
Pretty sure that's the definition of an exploit.----
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McDoogs✭✭✭✭Don't be ridiculous. Grinders won't do the quests for xp. The return is garbage compared to what you get from one trash pull. Nobody should do the quests for XP. They are for the story and most of them are really great at that. They are not for getting champion points.
Uh, are you saying it is right that grinding is by far the best way to gain CP?
Only the insane are saying that, but it is the way the game is designed right now. ZOS only nerfs grind spots, they never seem to buff the other XP sources leaving us with mob grinding as the only time efficient, if tedious, way to level. I'm busy, I have a family and a career so I am always going to choose the fastest way to level when I feel that I need to level.Edited by McDoogs on March 10, 2015 7:51PM1 -
thelordoffelines✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »thelordoffelines wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »The problem isn't that grinding isn't good. The problem is that people like the OP want grinding to be markedly better than any other type of XP source in the game.
And by the way, OP: most of ZO's "nerfs" have been exploit fixes. Grinders have been deliberately exploiting spawning bugs in order to gain far more XP than they should be able to get. People should count themselves lucky they didn't experience rollbacks and/or bans for their cheating.
Spell scar wasn't a bug or exploit. Skyreach wasn't a bug or exploit. The dwarven place wasn't a bug or exploit.
The dwarven ruin where people were only killing the first few enemies, porting out to reset, and then jumping back in to kill them again in order to gain far more XP than they possibly could under normal circumstances?
Pretty sure that's the definition of an exploit.
I'm pretty sure those spiders were meant to respawn. That's like saying killing maulabeth, looting her, then reseting wayrest sewers so you can kill her again and farm the helm is an exploit.0 -
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »The problem isn't that grinding isn't good. The problem is that people like the OP want grinding to be markedly better than any other type of XP source in the game.
And by the way, OP: most of ZO's "nerfs" have been exploit fixes. Grinders have been deliberately exploiting spawning bugs in order to gain far more XP than they should be able to get. People should count themselves lucky they didn't experience rollbacks and/or bans for their cheating.
This is a ridiculous argument. The point of "grinding" is so you can get your character into the content you want to play, typically "end game" content. Putting a ~400 hour barrier of entry to that (in order to get to VR14), or now a ~700 - ~3600 barrier of entry (for champion points) is just disincentivizing. Not everyone enjoys reading poorly written dialogue or running to random places and pressing the 'E' key. There should be a fast track to get to end game if that's the only content someone is interested in. It has no effect on any other players, and demanding that someone suffer through hundreds of hours of content they do not enjoy just to get to content they do enjoy is simply petty.1 -
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✭✭✭✭OP wants a meaningful way of acquiring experience. If OP had grinded his way to VR14 and ignored just about all quests, OP would have something meaningful to do in order to gather Champion Points. Right now, OP is forced to grind due to a complete lack of content and Cyrodiil performing horribly.Edited by Lava_Croft on March 10, 2015 10:42PM0 -
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I have 100% of Cadwell's Silver and Gold completed, have all Zones 100% White with exception to Cyro due to some bugs with certain Delves, and I haven't finished the PvE Quests in Cyro yet either. I've completed (many MANY times) every single Dungeon, Vet Dugeon, AA, HR, and a little bit in DSA (nobody wants to do DSA it seems). I'm one that hates Grinding with a passion due to how boring it is, but I find it no less valid a way to gain XP than any other palystyle in ESO and I'm sick and tired of ZoS nerfing it into the ground while not listening to their Player base that's been asking for MONTHS to increase XP gain everywhere else to get it further inline with Grinding XP.Lava_Croft wrote: »The grinders are VR14 while still having a ton of PvE quests to complete, aiding them in acquiring Champion Points at a higher rate than those poor suckers like me, who just timidly did all the nice PvE content ZOS has created for us.0 -
Bogdan_Kobzar✭✭✭post contents deletedEdited by Bogdan_Kobzar on September 27, 2015 6:34PM"Being honorable might make you a good man, but it doesn't make you right. Be a better world if it did."
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✭To me one of the biggest mistakes ZOS made when they introduced the champion system is they did not introduce any new quests or area on the map to help get cp points, I do not feel the need to grind for cp point, I just play the game, between my vr2 alt and my vr14 doing mostly pvp I get anywhere from 2 to five cp points a day depends on how long I play and what I do, I am happy with that gain, because I doubt I will ever get all 3600, and no plans on burning myself out on some crazy grind, I had enough of crazy grinds back in SWG with a pre-CU and nge jedi grind.
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Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Don't be ridiculous. Grinders won't do the quests for xp. The return is garbage compared to what you get from one trash pull. Nobody should do the quests for XP. They are for the story and most of them are really great at that. They are not for getting champion points.
Uh, are you saying it is right that grinding is by far the best way to gain CP?
No, I am saying that the scenario OP is presenting is not true at all. Currently, there is no reason to do quests if you do not care about the story. The xp is garbage. Grinders will still grind and not do quests because grinding is better xp. I am not saying this is a good thing, I am just saying this is how it is.
ummm try bruma with enlightenment. 3 cps every 45mins . once the enlightenment is gone tho , not worth it.0 -
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✭Bogdan_Kobzar wrote: »With that off my mind, this is what I have found:
One objective in Cadwell's Silver, time to complete was 40min, xp gain of 42,892
40min of leisurely grinding Mudcrabs at a location in that same zone and had an xp gain of 86,293
I need to test this, it's pretty funny if it's true.Leylith - MagSorc | Leyloth - StamPlar | Leynerd - MagPlar | Leylit - StamBlade | Ley Eviticus - StamDK | Leydor - MagDen | Leylum - StamSorc | Leylux - MagBlade0
