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Smeag

n.englishb14_ESO wrote: »

No amount of CP will win you a 1v10 or a 1v3 for that matter.

So dealing more damage, taking less damage and having greater recourse pools, cost reduction, regen then everyone else(not to mention the champ system passives) won't help me in PvP? Okay then..

Lava_Croft

I just wish

Garbrac wrote: »

Smeag wrote: »

As someone who earned 279 CP at skyreach with enlightenment bug, I'm glad they nerfed it. Now I'm 10x stronger than everyone else and they have no way to catch up LOL

Openly admits to using an exploit with the intention of personal gain. I would laugh so hard if your CPs were removed.

I'm sorry, but it's is not an exploit to go to a delve and kill monsters.

Asgari

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I just wish

Garbrac wrote: »

Smeag wrote: »

As someone who earned 279 CP at skyreach with enlightenment bug, I'm glad they nerfed it. Now I'm 10x stronger than everyone else and they have no way to catch up LOL

Openly admits to using an exploit with the intention of personal gain. I would laugh so hard if your CPs were removed.

I'm sorry, but it's is not an exploit to go to a delve and kill monsters.

I think he's referring to the guy exploiting a bug in the sense that he was perm enlightened and gained cps faster than those just grinding out their enlightened could.

Atreyu

Smeag wrote: »

As someone who earned 279 CP at skyreach with enlightenment bug, I'm glad they nerfed it. Now I'm 10x stronger than everyone else and they have no way to catch up LOL

Rofl. We are talking 279cp, not 3500.
You have way a road ahead of you to reach that "10x stronger!11!!111!oneshift+1!!" you mentioned.


I call *** without a screen btw. No way someone could have reached like 300cp even with enlight bug, unless you have grinded 24 hours a day since patch release.

Lava_Croft

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I just wish

Garbrac wrote: »

Smeag wrote: »

As someone who earned 279 CP at skyreach with enlightenment bug, I'm glad they nerfed it. Now I'm 10x stronger than everyone else and they have no way to catch up LOL

Openly admits to using an exploit with the intention of personal gain. I would laugh so hard if your CPs were removed.

I'm sorry, but it's is not an exploit to go to a delve and kill monsters.

I think he's referring to the guy exploiting a bug in the sense that he was perm enlightened and gained cps faster than those just grinding out their enlightened could.

I stand corrected!

Apart from not using the product that is paid for, how would one avoid 'exploiting' the Englightenment bug?

Smeag

Not my fault that I was perma enlightened and gaining 1 CP per 10 mins. All I'm saying is.. the damage is already done. Nerfing this spot only creates more problems because people have no way to catch up.. unless they take away every CP point that was earned there ( GL with that )

Nihil

DeLindsay wrote: »

AshySamurai wrote: »

I heard someone have over 250 already.

I have 77 (that's the starting 70 + 7) because I hate grinding and actually played the game as ZoS wants us to. That's doing both Pledges, all 6 Writs, 1-4 Vet Dungeon runs, 1-3 hours of Legerdemain and various other activities EVERY DAY and I've gotten 7 points. What's worse is my 7 points trumps the majority that are only PvP'ing daily. I'm sick and tired of ZoS nerfing Grinding/Questing and not listening to all of us that are begging them to INCREASE XP everywhere but Grinding. But alas, bads cry the loudest on social media and ZoS listens to bads.

First I liked your thread that was evaluating numbers and giving suggestions to get the other play methods in line with grinding, but I am glad they didn't take forever to hit the overly producing grind spots. If Zeni had waited to long then the discrepancy would of gotten way out of hand between players playing styles (200 in the grand scheme of things will just be a drop in the bucket compared to if they had let it go for another week), and no matter what changes they put into place the veteran players would still feel like they wouldn't ever be able to catch up. It should be high priority to make sure that people aren't getting ridiculously out of expectation exp from a method of playing, and this does mean nerfing some spots at times. While doing that tho they do need to look at the other playing methods and bring them inline to make them viable. This, imo, doesn't mean 100 % same rate as achieved by grinding, but close enough that the extra rewards + exp is equivalent (or greater in regards to end game content, risk vs reward concept) then grinding.

Basically, sometimes things need to be nerfed, but should do so in the scope of getting everything inline with each other, which also includes buffing the other areas.

ginoboehm

hell they had to fix it fast bugs are one thing but just imagine all these people grinding xp now will not buy enlightment pots in the crown store next week. perhaps they will even stack so you can get super enlightment and grind it in one week..... guys move on this games endgame is dying

trimsic_ESO

Ysne58 wrote: »

This is hysterical. I've earned a total of 3 points so far, but then I don't play as much as some others and I have a total of 3 characters, only one vet on na, no vet on eu.

Yep. The gap grows and grows and grows....

The gap grows and grows and grows because of:
- The grinding spots (they should all be nerved to hell)
- Bugs of enlightment
- CP is seen as yet another VR to reach whereas it is not, and therefore people grind, grind, grind
- Normal activities in ESO such as PVP in Cyrodiil, or cleaning dungeon are not enough rewarding for the CS, so people grind, grind, grind

Solutions:
- Killing a mob should reward a fair amount of XP for those who level up their VR, but should reward ZERO CP - none, nada
- Increase CP earned in Cyrodiil
- Increase CP earned in dungeons when killing a boss and when completing them
- Increase CP for accomplishing the dailies
- Increase CP for accomplishing the pledges

In short:
- INCREASE CP FOR PLAYING ESO NORMALLY
- NULLIFY CP WHEN GRINDING ON MOBS

Any other solution will land into all the problems we have since the CS is released.

Until this is done, you should put the CP on hold.

Nihil

Smeag wrote: »

Not my fault that I was perma enlightened and gaining 1 CP per 10 mins. All I'm saying is.. the damage is already done. Nerfing this spot only creates more problems because people have no way to catch up.. unless they take away every CP point that was earned there ( GL with that )

in the grand scheme of things the damage was small. We will feel the repercussions for a while, but as time goes by the power gap of 200 cp will be minimal. Better catching it now, then leaving it for weeks on end, and having the power gap be 1k+.

They could also do a roll back of exp if they felt the damage to big, and give compensation in some form for the problem. They would lose some players, but no matter what they have the potential of losing players no matter their decision. (not saying they SHOULD do this, just saying it is an option if their was wide spread discrepiency).

ginoboehm

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

Ysne58 wrote: »

This is hysterical. I've earned a total of 3 points so far, but then I don't play as much as some others and I have a total of 3 characters, only one vet on na, no vet on eu.

Yep. The gap grows and grows and grows....

The gap grows and grows and grows because of:
- The grinding spots (they should all be nerved to hell)
- Bugs of enlightment
- CP is seen as yet another VR to reach whereas it is not, and therefore people grind, grind, grind
- Normal activities in ESO such as PVP in Cyrodiil, or cleaning dungeon are not enough rewarding for the CS, so people grind, grind, grind

Solutions:
- Killing a mob should reward a fair amount of XP for those who level up their VR, but should reward ZERO CP - none, nada
- Increase CP earned in Cyrodiil
- Increase CP earned in dungeons when killing a boss and when completing them
- Increase CP for accomplishing the dailies
- Increase CP for accomplishing the pledges

In short:
- INCREASE CP FOR PLAYING ESO NORMALLY
- NULLIFY CP WHEN GRINDING ON MOBS

Any other solution will land into all the problems we have since the CS is released.

or you know just make it that cp is not giving 3 times the power grinded out but like a 10% power increase or whatever. but who would buy xp potions then? spending more time in a game should not automatically make you x- times stronger people who have jobs family or start later should still have a way to catch up .

Xsorus

How bad they nerf the Xp spots?

Rust_in_Peace

Roll this *** the *** back or don't bother nerfing it at all. If these people benefited from an obvious exploit they shouldn't get the benefits of it which is an obvious massive stat advantage over other players.

DeLindsay

Nihil wrote: »

First I liked your thread that was evaluating numbers and giving suggestions to get the other play methods in line with grinding, but I am glad they didn't take forever to hit the overly producing grind spots. If Zeni had waited to long then the discrepancy would of gotten way out of hand between players playing styles (200 in the grand scheme of things will just be a drop in the bucket compared to if they had let it go for another week), and no matter what changes they put into place the veteran players would still feel like they wouldn't ever be able to catch up. It should be high priority to make sure that people aren't getting ridiculously out of expectation exp from a method of playing, and this does mean nerfing some spots at times. While doing that tho they do need to look at the other playing methods and bring them inline to make them viable. This, imo, doesn't mean 100 % same rate as achieved by grinding, but close enough that the extra rewards + exp is equivalent (or greater in regards to end game content, risk vs reward concept) then grinding.

Basically, sometimes things need to be nerfed, but should do so in the scope of getting everything inline with each other, which also includes buffing the other areas.

Indeed but instead of ZoS fixing the perma Enlightened bug they nerfed Grinding even more. The ONLY reason any Player has more than ~120 CP right now is because of the Enlightened bug, that's it. If you take his 279 CP (and remove the first 70) he earned 209, drop that by a factor of 4 and he really only earned ~52 points. Had he lost Enlightened like the mechanic should've worked then he'd have a very reasonable ~120-130 points and NOBODY would be complaining nor would ZoS "need" to nerf anything. That's the problem with ZoS, they don't listen to those of us providing Feedback on PTS and they way they "fix" things is utterly destroy them. There is no middle ground with ZoS, it's extreme left or extreme right. There were whole Guilds that Alpha tested for ZoS and reported bugs and exploits that still made it into the game.

Troneon

Its all good guys, who cares if some people have 200 CP already? PVP is broken so they can't use their advantage and soon we can all throw money at Zenimax for experience potions in the crown store $$$ so we can catch up too!!

Don't forget to subscribe for your extra 10% bonus exp!!11!!

teaforsoothyouub17_ESO

AD go grind hall of heroes in bangkorai south 400k an hour easy.

Nihil

DeLindsay wrote: »

Nihil wrote: »

First I liked your thread that was evaluating numbers and giving suggestions to get the other play methods in line with grinding, but I am glad they didn't take forever to hit the overly producing grind spots. If Zeni had waited to long then the discrepancy would of gotten way out of hand between players playing styles (200 in the grand scheme of things will just be a drop in the bucket compared to if they had let it go for another week), and no matter what changes they put into place the veteran players would still feel like they wouldn't ever be able to catch up. It should be high priority to make sure that people aren't getting ridiculously out of expectation exp from a method of playing, and this does mean nerfing some spots at times. While doing that tho they do need to look at the other playing methods and bring them inline to make them viable. This, imo, doesn't mean 100 % same rate as achieved by grinding, but close enough that the extra rewards + exp is equivalent (or greater in regards to end game content, risk vs reward concept) then grinding.

Basically, sometimes things need to be nerfed, but should do so in the scope of getting everything inline with each other, which also includes buffing the other areas.

Indeed but instead of ZoS fixing the perma Enlightened bug they nerfed Grinding even more. The ONLY reason any Player has more than ~120 CP right now is because of the Enlightened bug, that's it. If you take his 279 CP (and remove the first 70) he earned 209, drop that by a factor of 4 and he really only earned ~52 points. Had he lost Enlightened like the mechanic should've worked then he'd have a very reasonable ~120-130 points and NOBODY would be complaining nor would ZoS "need" to nerf anything. That's the problem with ZoS, they don't listen to those of us providing Feedback on PTS and they way they "fix" things is utterly destroy them. There is no middle ground with ZoS, it's extreme left or extreme right. There were whole Guilds that Alpha tested for ZoS and reported bugs and exploits that still made it into the game.

I am hoping that they have been working really hard on the permanent enlightenment bug but it might not be a problem that can be fixed by a hot fix (some problems can some can't I read them say in the past). I believe grinding has its place in a game, but ~ 120 CP at this point in the game people would sill be complain about (there were people calling BS when people reported 200 k exp gained when it was first released without enlightenment). As you showed in your other post, that grind spot yielded up to 4 times more exp (some have said 6 times) more then what ZoS wanted for CP gain. Even if they made all other aspects of the game get aprox 1 cp per hour with enlightenment, and fixed the enlightenment bugs, the difference between those grinding spots and other playing styles were to great. Players would still feel forced to grind as it could be any where from 1/6th the time to 1/2 time (depending on the player) per CP.

I am not saying they shouldn't be working on fixing the bugs, and would of preferred if they were fixed in the PTS (the damage bug that happened in PTS probably slowed other bugs getting fixed and being on a deadline for releasing the update would be my other guess). I am just saying that the change to exp was needed as well, and as a change in exp is going to be drastically easier then testing to see if bugs were fixed it would make most sense to push the nerf to exp first, and probably see the change to the bugs (hopefully) come Monday.

Teeba_Shei

Good thing these developers never became doctors. " Whats that, you have a snake bite? Let me just get my shotgun to fix that."

Xexpo

* desperately searches for LOL button*
*but finds love instead*

WraithAzraiel

roechacca wrote: »

I hope those that cry get what they want and the inevitable finally happens here ...

I'll bite. "What's the inevitable?"

Xexpo

Dear ZOS,
No one will play when it sucks beyond diehard comprehension.
Please stop for the love of god.