Unable to Play So Far...Thanks to Disk Space

arena25

Ok, when I downloaded Update 6, I expected 20-25 GB. What I did not expect was to have to repair it once, and end up kissing most of my games on Steam goodbye just to download Update 6...and at the rate I'm going, I may have to give up one of my games I got for Christmas just to get Update 6.

Unacceptable, ESO. This 20-25 GB "update" is turning into a 40 GB behemoth, over twice of which you said.

Rant done. Let the firestorm rage.

LordSkyKnight

Hard drives are pretty cheap right now.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0088PUEPK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1425764600&sr=8-1&keywords=western+digital+blue+1tb&pi=AC_SY200_QL40&dpPl=1&dpID=51YDzTp710L&ref=plSrch

Gyudan

There's a reason why system requirements demand 60GB available.

Troneon

It's there stupid patching system.

So many topics / posts from people about the same issue. I feel for ya dude, I went through similar crap and issues and ignore the white knights going on about "buy a better hardrive" blah blah blah. They are missing the point.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1599360/#Comment_1599360

Paulington

I think you don't have much to complain about.

The game clearly states you need "at least 60GB" of free space, it's not ZOS' fault if your hard drive isn't big enough for that. Yes ZOS' patching system sucks terribly but if you want to play ESO you have to deal with that and one of the necessary evils is having at least 60GB free on your drive.

However, it may be "white knighty" but I don't see how you can struggle for space now? A 1TB WD Green (The only disk drives I use) are only £40 now and 1TB is more than almost anyone will ever, ever need. Want an SSD? They're cheap now too. If you have a 250GB SSD + a 1TB HDD you are pretty much set for the "average" gamer and that will cost you <£100, that's the same as a year's sub of ESO.

It may be time for you to upgrade your hard drive.

Troneon

Paulington wrote: »

I think you don't have much to complain about.

The game clearly states you need "at least 60GB" of free space, it's not ZOS' fault if your hard drive isn't big enough for that. Yes ZOS' patching system sucks terribly but if you want to play ESO you have to deal with that and one of the necessary evils is having at least 60GB free on your drive.

However, it may be "white knighty" but I don't see how you can struggle for space now? A 1TB WD Green (The only disk drives I use) are only £40 now and 1TB is more than almost anyone will ever, ever need. Want an SSD? They're cheap now too. If you have a 250GB SSD + a 1TB HDD you are pretty much set for the "average" gamer and that will cost you <£100, that's the same as a year's sub of ESO.

It may be time for you to upgrade your hard drive.

It's to do with their terrible patching system. This has been proven and gone over in many topics now.

duckrustlerb16_ESO

My own laptop is a very old MSI GT627 and that comes with a whopping 320GB hard drive which when you take into account all the typical household stuff and music collections etc which go on them leaves me with a measly 40-50GB for my games. Only saying this as even with this tiny amount I can still play pretty much any game I like and not worry about space as I install (almost) everything onto an EXTERNAL drive via USB. Sure it introduces a bit of lag but makes games such as this so much easier to cope with.

I also like I can have a good chunk of my Steam library handy to play on as well, so if you are short of space go external!

phairdon

My game is sitting at 41.6gb after the patch. Fortunately for me I have a 1tb hard drive. The next game on my list is going to take up 65gb of space on install (GTA V). Reality is, you need a large hard drive these days with the size of modern games.

ESO & Battlefield 4 occupy 97gb between them.

Paulington

Troneon wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

I think you don't have much to complain about.

The game clearly states you need "at least 60GB" of free space, it's not ZOS' fault if your hard drive isn't big enough for that. Yes ZOS' patching system sucks terribly but if you want to play ESO you have to deal with that and one of the necessary evils is having at least 60GB free on your drive.

However, it may be "white knighty" but I don't see how you can struggle for space now? A 1TB WD Green (The only disk drives I use) are only £40 now and 1TB is more than almost anyone will ever, ever need. Want an SSD? They're cheap now too. If you have a 250GB SSD + a 1TB HDD you are pretty much set for the "average" gamer and that will cost you <£100, that's the same as a year's sub of ESO.

It may be time for you to upgrade your hard drive.

It's to do with their terrible patching system. This has been proven and gone over in many topics now.

Yes, this is true. Their terrible patching system means you need double the space the game actually takes up on disk at any one time.

However, it clearly says you need at least 60GB free space to play the game, so why would you install it if you have less than that? It doesn't say 60GB for giggles.

I want ZOS to fix their patching as much as the next guy, but until then you need to have 60GB of free space at all times and, really, with modern drive sizes I don't see how that could possibly be an issue. Even on laptops you can get 1TB 2.5" drives for <£50 now, not exactly breaking the bank.

Gidorick

40 gb really isn't all that large in todays modern data-fat land-scape.

Attorneyatlawl

Paulington wrote: »

I think you don't have much to complain about.

The game clearly states you need "at least 60GB" of free space, it's not ZOS' fault if your hard drive isn't big enough for that. Yes ZOS' patching system sucks terribly but if you want to play ESO you have to deal with that and one of the necessary evils is having at least 60GB free on your drive.

However, it may be "white knighty" but I don't see how you can struggle for space now? A 1TB WD Green (The only disk drives I use) are only £40 now and 1TB is more than almost anyone will ever, ever need. Want an SSD? They're cheap now too. If you have a 250GB SSD + a 1TB HDD you are pretty much set for the "average" gamer and that will cost you <£100, that's the same as a year's sub of ESO.

It may be time for you to upgrade your hard drive.

This. The game requirements say you need 60gb+... trying to install games that you don't even meet the minimum requirements for is, and always has been, a your mileage may vary thing. Drive space, including SSD space let alone normal magnetic hard drives, is ridiculously inexpensive nowadays anyway. There's no reason you would want to or should skimp out on basic storage considering 3tb drives run $80-100ish very regularly on sales and SSD's 480-512gb can be had for $140-160 generally (I bought a 480gb one recently for $120 after a twenty dollar rebate).

Also to comment on the patching system that everyone keeps complaining about, it's not abnormal whatsoever for a game, application, or anything else needing patching, to need a bit of scratch space to store the patch it's downloading, transfer it into the main game files, and then delete the patch data. This is industry standard functionality with rare exception, so unless you're using a computer for the first time recently it really shouldn't be anything you didn't know .

Zershar_Vemod

Paulington wrote: »

I think you don't have much to complain about.

The game clearly states you need "at least 60GB" of free space, it's not ZOS' fault if your hard drive isn't big enough for that. Yes ZOS' patching system sucks terribly but if you want to play ESO you have to deal with that and one of the necessary evils is having at least 60GB free on your drive.

However, it may be "white knighty" but I don't see how you can struggle for space now? A 1TB WD Green (The only disk drives I use) are only £40 now and 1TB is more than almost anyone will ever, ever need. Want an SSD? They're cheap now too. If you have a 250GB SSD + a 1TB HDD you are pretty much set for the "average" gamer and that will cost you <£100, that's the same as a year's sub of ESO.

It may be time for you to upgrade your hard drive.

This.

Too many people lately (and not just in this game) are complaining about patches, DLCs, etc. being "too big." I really don't know what to say to all of the foolishness.

Darkintellect

I'm scratching my head wondering if it's still 2003. I sit here with 500 gig SSD and 2TB internal with 12TB externals which holds my few thousand movies and my tv show collection which I stream to all of my devices and throughout my house using Plex.

Please, for the sake of humanity, join 2015, 40-60 gigs is nothing. There's a microSD smaller than a dime that's now at 200 gigs.

LordSkyKnight

Nice. We are white knighting because we say it's time to update your hardware to 2015 standards. Look, as these games become more advanced with graphics and audio, it's going to take more storage space. That is just a plain and simple fact. All of you people complaining about the patch size need to be realistic. Fifty five dollars for a TB hard drive is cheap.

Knight150

Indeed it sucks but games and software are bigger and bigger today, and that's reflected in the amount of storage you would get in a new system. Drives are cheap and if you can go a little farther with the budget get and SSD, such a massive difference in load times and system speeds, and the price has dropped massively so they are now more affordable to the main stream.

firstdecan

According to HP research, the amount of data your typical enterprise stores doubles once every 18 months. I would assume the rate is similar for consumers, and even possibly faster since consumers don't have a network admin monitoring their storage quotas \ capacities. Buying a bigger hard drive is not necessarily the answer if you're not managing the storage you currently have.

I think the OP has a point in that requiring 60GB of free space for the install, and then another 60GB of free space for the updates is a little much, especially for a game that was coded to be compatible with older hardware. ZoS can do a better job of patching, although as another poster pointed out, most companies just copy the bins over and then run their update. I personally don't see why other companies low standards are an excuse for poor performance, but when in Rome....

"White Knighting" aside (do most of the people in this thread even know what that means?), you have to deal with reality and the fact of the matter is the game will take up the space it takes. Manage your data better, move low use files to external media, uninstall old games \ software, clear \ limit your caches (I'm often amazed at how many gigs of data people will have in their internet caches from going to movie sites). It's a fair (albeit sparsely worded) rant. You have to deal with the situation as is, but it's a little hypocritical to expect a consumer to buy a bigger hard drive \ manage data better when the professional development team better equipped to do so is not managing their data.

arena25

Alright, guys, I finally had to wrestle with the C drive and finally got it to download.

By order of Arena25, I wish this thread closed.

GreySix

I remember purchasing Master of Orion II back in the 90s and being shocked that the game took a whopping 100 MB! As my WinBook computer had only about a 1GB hard drive, that was a significant chunk of space.

dh69preub18_ESO

I wish I had some wiggle room. When I bought my 120GB SSD in 2010, it wasn't cheap and I could not afford the 240GB version which was over $1000 AND all the other sick *** I bought to build this computer. My fastest SSD was supposed to be a windows drive and ONE game which is still exactly what it still is AND I was able to install ESO before it went gold (released) and had 30GB remaining. NOW I have 62GB free (because windows is quite a lot of updated bloatware now) and the ESO patcher is failing to install due to lack of drive space.

No one on this thread has done more than state how awesome their system is or what deals they paid for SSD's or gave a solution more than "get a new drive". None of that *** helps anyone.

The patcher is a piece of dog crap, the options don't include an option to do something useful like download the update on a different, slower storage drive or migrate the game to another drive even.

With Steam you can do it so maybe I can manually move it off my hurting SSD and onto my HDD with SSD cache drive...or I'm wasting my time and should just reinstall.

Malnutrition

BRAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIINSSSSS!

Ojustaboo

Often when a patch appears to fail and wants you to repair, closing the launcher and restarting it is all that's needed.

Always worth a go first.

Maddhawk

I see a lot of people posting some idiotic commentary in here. Some of those people are people with generally smart posts too. People, "BUY MOR SPACE BRO! LOLOLOLOL." Then there are a few people who acknowledge the installer and patcher system alike from ZOS is one of the worst in modern gaming.

I don't see anyone complaining about the patcher/downloader calling out the size of the game, but rather the absurd amount of free space above and beyond the installation and operating requirements for the game after install and patching is complete. I have NEVER seen a game prior to ESO actually demand almost 50% more drive space be free than the actual install size. Now the game itself and all of its patches do not actually take up the stated 60gb of drive space ZOS says is required. It in fact only uses a hair under 42gb after installation and patching is complete. I assume the other 20gb is merely for the install process so they can open up their files and make sure they are downloaded/installed correctly prior to closing them up into whatever format the game uses.

For those getting an error stating not enough disk space, ZOS's Knowledge Base states you actually need 80-85gb of disk space free to install and patch.

SOURCE: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3055

That is double the actual size of the fully patched game. Then they tell us we have to keep 15% of our install drive free for the game to run.....

SHADOW2KK

arena25 wrote: »

Ok, when I downloaded Update 6, I expected 20-25 GB. What I did not expect was to have to repair it once, and end up kissing most of my games on Steam goodbye just to download Update 6...and at the rate I'm going, I may have to give up one of my games I got for Christmas just to get Update 6.

Unacceptable, ESO. This 20-25 GB "update" is turning into a 40 GB behemoth, over twice of which you said.

Rant done. Let the firestorm rage.

? lol wut?

HDs are cheap, even SSDs are not too bad, get a 2 Terrabyte HD or something, does not cost that much.

Not Zenis fault if your hard disc is tiny.

And some games on Steam are huge, look at GTA5 or Cod Advanced Warfare, Rome 2 Total War, the list goes on.

All games get updates and some updates can be big.

Hope you get a better hard disc however:}

DarkBones

If you have steam, then i dont understand why you think you only needed 25Gb space.

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I have to say, i do wish it was only 25Gb.