How do you feel about the armor changes?

Shlankwald

Some of the armor changes are really nice, but a lot of people are angry at the armor they loved getting changed so dramatically (see below for an example). Their is actually a quite lengthy post on this in the PTS forums of lots of people complaining with no response from ZOS. (Post can be found here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151638/eso-hides-my-cleavage/p1) So the question is how do you feel about these changes?

Shlankwald

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

Here is an example of one of the changes people are angry about





If you would like to see more examples, reference the forum link above.

Rosveen

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

Add new options, don't replace anything unless it's simple texture quality improvement without altering the design (and some of the changes are definitely more than that).

BBSooner

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

Rosveen wrote: »

Add new options, don't replace anything unless it's simple texture quality improvement without altering the design (and some of the changes are definitely more than that).

Absolutely agree. What a waste of in game aesthetic assets to completely remove one and replace it with another when people enjoyed the first.

Danikat

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

More options for armor/clothing styles is always a good thing IMO.

Adding new styles is great, especially at low levels where there aren't as many options, but not at the cost of existing designs.

Brother_Numsie

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

It wasn't only the armor they changed, it was also the disguises already in game.

Before Sea Drake:


After Sea Drake:


Why couldn't they just leave armor and disguises as is and just added the new ones as more options to choose from?

Shlankwald

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

Yes, my issue was more about how they completely changed an already existing deisgn. Some of the armors look much better in detail, and yet others are just so different it bothers me they would change it despite the many complaints that were on the PTS forums. If you see the original post, there are loads of complaints and ZOS wouldn't even bother to comment on it.

The idea should be to ADD to the existing clothing/armor options, not change the ones we've grown accustomed to.

newtinmpls

I hate them

I intensely dislike the changes to the redguard light armor - someone described it as looking "star trek"-y, an I kind of agree. I did have a character that wore it, I expected to hate it, I did ... blah blah blah.

Most of my characters are or know crafters, and I pick and choose what combination of stuff I think looks good. Except for one; she tends to wear "found" armor, and I'm still not entirely sure what skills/build I want to end up with for her. She had recently settled on reguard medium. Didn't like it much, but found an acceptable dye job and so it looked like this:



Redguard medium for jack & gards, khajiit for boots & bracers. Note that it's not perfectly smooth but it follows the lines of her hips reasonably well. Looks pretty okay.

Then after 1.6 I eventually login to her to see this.



I kept thinking "this is Walmart's idea of a suit". Note the uneven hem (no longer tucked into the belt), and the large dark "thingie" apparently ties on in the back (the back is worse than you could imagine, I won't even show it). Does this look like a person who has a clue?

Dreizopf

I hate them

Those prudish changes are ridiculous in a PEGI18 game!

Until console-start in June all the embarrassing cleavages of the low level medium armour have to be banished too!

PF1901

newtinmpls wrote: »

I intensely dislike the changes to the redguard light armor - someone described it as looking "star trek"-y, an I kind of agree. I did have a character that wore it, I expected to hate it, I did ... blah blah blah.

Most of my characters are or know crafters, and I pick and choose what combination of stuff I think looks good. Except for one; she tends to wear "found" armor, and I'm still not entirely sure what skills/build I want to end up with for her. She had recently settled on reguard medium. Didn't like it much, but found an acceptable dye job and so it looked like this:



Redguard medium for jack & gards, khajiit for boots & bracers. Note that it's not perfectly smooth but it follows the lines of her hips reasonably well. Looks pretty okay.

Then after 1.6 I eventually login to her to see this.



I kept thinking "this is Walmart's idea of a suit". Note the uneven hem (no longer tucked into the belt), and the large dark "thingie" apparently ties on in the back (the back is worse than you could imagine, I won't even show it). Does this look like a person who has a clue?

Ok, this looks god awful. Spot on with your "walmart's idea of a suit".

traigusb14_ESO2

I'm wearing the male redguard medium at VR1.

It looks OK, but does look kinda science fictiony.

Worst part is the sholderpads. look like 2 turtle shells stacked. If that wasn't bad enough... when I run, they wobble like bobbleheads in pretty much every direction. None of my other shoulderpads do that. it is weird.

AshySamurai

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

I would like to see options. Want to craft in old style - you're welcome. Want to craft in new style - sure, why not. Someone likes these sexy sluty armors. Someone - not. Why to forbid it other options?

davedesigns

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

Bring back the cleavage!

UrQuan

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

FYI, there's already a poll about this here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153916/how-do-you-feel-about-the-1-6-changes-to-redguard-and-orc-armour#latest

Forestd16b14_ESO

I love them

Wait this is about how they look and not that you can't last forever in LA anymore? ... well I like them .... well for heavy armor at least my armor gliseens so heroicly in the moonlight. Wait is ever male player butt hurt cause they can't see bewbs any more?

Lord_Kreegan

Usually I'm looking at my characters' butts... so I'm really not too worried about everything else.

ElfFromSpace

I hate them

This change really angers me and the lack of response from ZOS to the dozens.. maybe hundreds of players who objected to it is appalling.

Players made armor in these sets because WE LIKED THEM. I've invested a lot of tempers into improving my gear to purple for my lower level characters who are wearing these sets. Now I am stuck with armor I HATE, or remaking everything, all my tempers wasted.

Players never asked for this change. Not only that, we asked ZOS NOT to do it and it was done anyway. With hundreds or thousands of suggestions for real game improvements it baffles me that time was wasted doing something so pointless.

Give us more choices, not fewer. We want a greater diversity in armor options, not less. Makes these new sets alternatives so players can chose which they want. Go ahead and improve the textures of the old sets but leave the basic design the same.. Or just leave them how they are.

Costume and stolen gear options are a horrible disappointment. I actually like the Corseted Top now available for theft but I CAN'T ACTUALLY USE IT, since it replaces my armor. The previous sets were armor so I could enjoy my character's appearance in and out of combat. There are 0 attractive/practical feminine options in the cash shop. I don't want to feel forced to pay cash to have a decent looking character and I don't want to have my dying options taken away, but if there were at least one decent female option available this atrocity might make sense.

The change comes across as horribly sexist. Basically the redguard light was the only femine casual option for dress. There are some nice options for people who want practical looking armor. The Bosmer options give a nice tomboyish appeal. But there are no other casual feminine looking options. With this change female players are forced to either dress in armor that looks more like male armor modified to add boobs, or to buy the Wedding Dress. Essentially ZOS saying women should either act like men, or get married/mara pledged and go home to cook and have babies. I want to be able to dress and look feminine without being forced into a wedding dress!

The staff may not have realized how far flung and horrible their changes would be. While sabotaging the light redguard armor they also destroyed my 2 favorite costumes. Seadrake Disguise and Forebear Dishada. By doing this they destroyed the look of 7 of my 8 characters. Here are some pics of the seadrake disguise before and after this change:

Piraty! ARRR!


What pirate would be caught dead in this??

UrQuan

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Wait is ever male player butt hurt cause they can't see bewbs any more?

Nope. The new Redguard light and medium sets just have so much less character. They're so generic and boring. The previous ones looked like something that a daring swashbuckler would wear. You know, like a daring swashbuckler out of Stros M'Kai or something...

I'm on the fence about the new Redguard heavy. I like some of the changes, and dislike some of the other changes. The helmets are what I'm most undecided about.

I'm also on the fence about the new Orc heavy (I've never used the Orc light or medium, except for boots and gloves and belts, so I don't really have an opinion on them). My big bad Orc tank/healer overall looks better, except that he is now inexplicably shiny. My Nord tank/dps has a mixed set of multiple racial styles that I liked the combined look of, including the Orc heavy chest piece. Now she has no boob window, but frankly I chose that chest piece for the overall shape of it, and how it looked in combination with the Altmer sabatons, etc. On her, I think I like it about the same now as before.

Demira

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

ZoS what is wrong with showing a little cleavage? I personally, as a female player, hate that the armor doesn't show enough of my character cleavage and the design isn't flattering at all on the armor... ALL of the armor....period! ESO is rated mature. Our armor looks conservative, Quakers.

Shlankwald

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

My outrage isn't necessarily targeted at the lack of cleavage, but in the dramatic change to the armors that were already in place we grew to love, and some of us spent a lot of time finding exactly what armor we liked, and some of the changes are less than attractive. For the sake of having more authentic armors, they took away the originality in armors.

When your armor covers your entire body, it starts to all run together and look generic, there are no crazy patterns, theirs FAR less diversity, and you don't get to see and body art and such a player chose to put on their character. Its as if they tried to delve away from the "high fantasy" setting to go for a more "realistic" approach. If I'm being honest I can say a lot of them don't even look realistic, some aspects look like something from a bad sci-fi flick.

They did not enhance the armors, they changed them, which is not okay. Instead of giving us MORE options, they changed the options already available to us. The texture quality of the armors has been improved, which is great, but the actual changes I am not okay with

So no, this isnt necessarily about the lack of cleavage, the cleavage just happened to get nerfed in the process of recreating these armors into something very dull.

@UrQuan Yours was specifically about the redguard and orc armors, if you see the comments they also changed some of the disguises and other things. I wasn't trying to take over your post, I just want to shed light on how they are slowly changing ALL the armors, because I fear soon we will be stuck with the same generic styles.

Esha76

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

I am a huge supporter of allowing players to experience their game in the manner they wish (especially small stuff like cosmetics), which is the only reason I did not click on "hating" them. Because right now.. I do hate them, but aware there are those who like them.

I don't understand why we can't have both.

newtinmpls

I hate them

UrQuan wrote: »

I'm on the fence about the new Redguard heavy. I like some of the changes, and dislike some of the other changes. The helmets are what I'm most undecided about.

I'm okay with the heavy curiass, my orc Ugash gra Sharn looks pretty good. But her brother Mal gro Durga was wearing the greaves and boots and both now look .... well dorky for lack of a better term. The greaves are sloppy and the boots look like little kid snow boots.

I'll try and find some pics to illustrate the differences. I'm one of those types who takes screenshots to help me remember my ideas for fanfic stories.

newtinmpls

I hate them

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

I actually like the Corseted Top now available for theft but I CAN'T ACTUALLY USE IT, since it replaces my armor.

Good point. They say 'disguise' but they replace, not cover (change from previous disguises). I found a pair of fingerless gloves that looked good - but can't wear them as I can't afford the no armor/no glyph cost of this. Oh and yes, I would have liked to dye them.

Dreizopf

I hate them

Sallington wrote: »

ZOS changing what isn't broken, while there's plenty of bugs that actually need fixing.

Classic.

For instance:
All armour models are changing every 10 levels, but only until level 36+.
After that all level groups 46+, V1+, V4+, V7+ and V9+ are the same model like 36+.

There is so much room for grafics designer to work on. But no, they censor cleavages, and this without style.

Dinkveazy

I hate them

Logged in, my armor looks completely out of place on my character now.

I like the updated textures, but why did they have to change an otherwise perfectly good set of armor

ElfFromSpace

I hate them

I went and quested in Bankorai today and nearly sobbed upon seeing THIS:



She looks so HORRIBLE now!

BlueViolet

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

Esha76 wrote: »

I am a huge supporter of allowing players to experience their game in the manner they wish (especially small stuff like cosmetics), which is the only reason I did not click on "hating" them. Because right now.. I do hate them, but aware there are those who like them.

I don't understand why we can't have both.

This.
I don't understand why we can't have both either.
I also don't understand why someone at ZOS thought that changing a unique and elegant existing apparel into an ugly, shapeless sack was a good idea.
Now they look pretty much the same as all the other armour shirts, with nothing to distinguish them as they used to. That's actually really sad, considering all the attention to detail that goes into the lore, races and attire of ES games.

Edit - Looking at that last picture, she looks like she's wearing a gigantic baby bib
How can they think that is an improvement over how the original style used to look?

DobbaDeuce

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

I went and quested in Bankorai today and nearly sobbed upon seeing THIS:



She looks so HORRIBLE now!

No! My poor lady. The Stibbons must be to blame for this atrocity.

But seriously, I think that the standard style should be reverted back to how it was pre-1.6 (so as to fix these unstylish NPCs) and the new style should simply be added in as a separate option for the players.

I'm tempted to put "I hate them" but it's more that I hate the fact that they forced this change rather than hating the styles themselves. It's definitely a negative change overall, but I do not flat out hate these new styles across the board.

Moonshadow66

ZOS should let the players decide without forcing the change on the armor

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

I went and quested in Bankorai today and nearly sobbed upon seeing THIS:



She looks so HORRIBLE now!

With the chest part white or bright-pink/blue, it'd look like an oversized bib..


But seriously, why did they have to change certain armor? I don't get it.
Two of my characters were wearing the Orc/heavy chest piece and the Redguard/light chest piece. Up to level 24, the Redguard shirt was still nice, and my character was wearing it until I hit VR1! Just for the looks!

Now it's all gone, in the Orc/heavy piece, my one character looks like a sausage, the other (but now a different/new character) with the Redguard shirt looks like she's on the way to aerobics class.
The latter is not even ugly, actually, but that's not what I was crafting back then, before the update. It's not that I'd craft any random styles, no, I've chosen them because I liked the looks.

ElfFromSpace

I hate them

Poor Stibbons, he gets blamed for everything! He is a true and loyal servant and would never do something this horrible to his Lady!

Rykoth

I love them

I've got mixed feelings.

The Redguard Light had no business being changed.

The Orcish Heavy absolutely needed to be changed. I'm sorry, but you can't tell me that one of the strongest and most practical races in Tamriel, known for their warfare and for their "win or go home" attitude, would make their women vulnerable by giving them a BOOB WINDOW.

The Orcish Medium and Light looks good too. Redguard Heavy looks good.

It's a mixed bag. But you know what? As long as Bosmer and Argonian are untouched, I think folks can be quiet about the "censorship" talk.