I could use some help! vr 4 nb -- i seem to have hit a wall.

cvgb16_ESO

I came back about a month ago hearing that nb was in a much better place, bugs fixed, etc. Made my way to 50 which i really enjoyed, finished the AD campaign and coldharbour and decided to go hit some cyrodiil. After eating dirt within 2 seconds, i looked at videos and builds by guys like @Sypher and it made things much better and fun, i couldn't really kill vr14s 1 on 1 but i could go toe to toe long enough to get some backup or run away.

Decided i need to level up and get some proper gear so that i can actually compete, and i honestly hated doing cadwell's silver, it was mind numbingly slow. 5-10k a quest and they took 1-5min to complete since just clicking through the dialog left me confused and un-immersed. I eventually started grinding spellscar and had fun trying to push myself to solo it, got better and better and could solo 2 groups with broken gear, and was getting levels at a good rate.

Now 1.6 hit. I tried stamina, and i feel way weaker. I can barely do 1 group in spellscar due to serious lack of healing and lower ult regen and the exp was nerfed considerably. I still hate doing cadwell and feels like a horribly slow grind, i want to pvp but as stam i die way to fast. I could go magika and play destro/resto, but it seems i'd be a mage with no mage skills.

Questing gives horrible exp rates, PvP is even worse and grinding got nerfed into the ground. I just want to pvp and do some group content and level up doing it. Not particularly fond of soloing 2 more campaigns to try and get to vr14.

I haven't done pledges (or have any idea what they are beyond the lf vr14 tank/healer/dps ) or trials for that matter and i have trouble finding groups for dungeons since most groups are looking for vr12+. If anyone can help me out, maybe with some build suggestions. I tried dk on PTS and it looked a lot of fun, with nb right now i feel like i'm left with my pants down after my opener. I'm using reaper's mark as my heal basically, but i found i still need to slot a resto staff. Sadly with 8k of magika and no reduction i can't do much with it.

I loved getting to 50, leveling was fun and well paced and i didn't feel like i was grinding. The non vr pvp campaign was fun, but hitting 50 seems more like a curse than an accomplishment atm. If someone can point me in the right direction, i would really appreciate it.

Sorry if it sounds like i'm complaining, i'm not, i'm just trying to find the fun again and don't really know which way to go.

Panda244

You feel weaker because everyones' stats have been significantly nerfed to accompany the Champion System, I don't know what the exact ratio is, but when you first start off in 1.6, you actually have less damage output, and less maximum stats/recovery, despite the numbers being larger. To be honest, everything in this thread isn't just related to NBs, you point out a few great issues that are related to patch 1.6, and the PvP XP issue that's been around since launch.

cvgb16_ESO

Panda244 wrote: »

You feel weaker because everyones' stats have been significantly nerfed to accompany the Champion System, I don't know what the exact ratio is, but when you first start off in 1.6, you actually have less damage output, and less maximum stats/recovery, despite the numbers being larger. To be honest, everything in this thread isn't just related to NBs, you point out a few great issues that are related to patch 1.6, and the PvP XP issue that's been around since launch.

Oh, reading through the patch notes I was expecting to be re-born a god among NPC mobs, not weaker. Figured i was doing something wrong, good to know.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

I've done Cadwell gold and silver and only hit V9. I'm going through my achievements and seeing what I can do through that to try and ease the xp grind. My only advice is grit your teeth and battle on. I tried not to focus too much on the xp and looked at getting all the quests done. It soon adds up.

Sypher

I'll have a Magicka and Stamina NB PvP build uploaded within the next week or so (taking my time testing things out)

Panda244

cvgb16_ESO wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

You feel weaker because everyones' stats have been significantly nerfed to accompany the Champion System, I don't know what the exact ratio is, but when you first start off in 1.6, you actually have less damage output, and less maximum stats/recovery, despite the numbers being larger. To be honest, everything in this thread isn't just related to NBs, you point out a few great issues that are related to patch 1.6, and the PvP XP issue that's been around since launch.

Oh, reading through the patch notes I was expecting to be re-born a god among NPC mobs, not weaker. Figured i was doing something wrong, good to know.

Aye... Allocate your Champion Points correctly and once you have... 300-400, the game should feel like it did back in 1.5, still, that's a 4-5 month grindfest at the current rate that you gain them, so hopefully they change that, especially because they released the Champion System with no new content, so you have to grind the same ole' *** to get them.

cvgb16_ESO

Sypher wrote: »

I'll have a Magicka and Stamina NB PvP build uploaded within the next week or so (taking my time testing things out)

Awesome! Not to downplay the other awesome people posting nb guides/videos, but your stuff really helped me make a big improvement in PvP. Figured this would be a good place to say thanks.

Panda244 wrote: »

Aye... Allocate your Champion Points correctly and once you have... 300-400, the game should feel like it did back in 1.5, still, that's a 4-5 month grindfest at the current rate that you gain them, so hopefully they change that, especially because they released the Champion System with no new content, so you have to grind the same ole' *** to get them.

I allocated my total of 16 points as best I can haha. Thanks a lot for the input guys, i feel a lot better about sucking now .

I might just roll an alt until i feel less burnt out since i really did enjoy the 1-50 experience. Hopefully eso plus and exp pots take the edge off, at this point i'd pay zeni any amount (assuming they accept student loan debt as a form of payment) to reduce the grind..

Suntzu1414

Sypher wrote: »

I'll have a Magicka and Stamina NB PvP build uploaded within the next week or so (taking my time testing things out)

Sypher. Thank you.

Though i will never play as good as you...(killing the unkillable..)
The effort and depth (of work) you put in...is appreciated.


Kill Well
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Wolfenbelle

First, there is no "correct" way to allocate CP. There is only what you believe works best for your character and style of play. By my estimate, roughly half the items in the CP constellations are not very useful for combat, for all classes and builds, although they might be useful in other ways.

Second, you are by no means alone in being surprised at how weak your character is in 1.6 compared to 1.5. Most people don't go on PTS or read these forums daily, so they were unaware of how the changes would impact their characters. Nothing we can do about it, unfortunately.

Personally, I strongly dislike what ZOS has done to all of us in order to implement their CP system. Pretty much everyone above vr1 or 2 needs to either rework their current builds or create completely new builds for all their playing characters. Although I understand why ZOS knocked us all back, I don't agree that it was necessary and am very much against taking progress away from players. I think it's even worse that ZOS hid the massive knock back behind newly inflated numbers. All of this without any really new content in months. I'm discouraged, because it feels like starting all over again almost from scratch, but after a year's worth of effort to learn the game, learn effective builds, and advancing my characters. I don't have a huge amount of hours to spend in game, and feel that most of my time has been spent trying to reach some far away, unreachable goal. The goal is even further away now. Oh well, no choice but to carry on if I want to continue playing ESO. It's just not fun to basically start all over rebuilding my characters. Sigh.

f047ys3v3n

Yes you are much weaker. You need between 300 and 900 cp depending who you ask to catch up.

As for your build. Stam nightblades lack heals as the stam version of sap essence has no heal and funnel health is magica only. Since NB's lack a push button self heal (DK or Templar) they rely on these health sapping type attacks which only restore enough health if they are part of the regular rotation. They cannot be for a stam build. Thus, you die.

The only thing I can tell you is that you will have difficulty soloing groups of mobs as a stam build because of this design oversight. There is a push button stam heal over time in the alliance war line that perhaps could help. It is unlocked at rank 10 which is a bit more horse simulator than I ever intend to play especially since I can no longer do the bow sneaky thing in pvp and the light armor thing in PVE.

Suntzu1414

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Yes you are much weaker. You need between 300 and 900 cp depending who you ask to catch up.

As for your build. Stam nightblades lack heals as the stam version of sap essence has no heal and funnel health is magica only. Since NB's lack a push button self heal (DK or Templar) they rely on these health sapping type attacks which only restore enough health if they are part of the regular rotation. They cannot be for a stam build. Thus, you die.
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this oversight comes under the heading "What where they thinking...."


All of the "heals" are magica based. The push towards stam, makes sense for DK & Temp.
But living in a non-cap world, without "heals" , is certain death.

the previous meta, Magica with Stam (backup). Worked because of Resto.
But, Stam with Magica(backup). Resto becomes weak...and thus heals are weak.

Also, the meta, that NB don't need / use heals because of siphon.
This also gets knocked...for the poor stam NB.

so..."What where they thinking..."


Kill Well
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f047ys3v3n

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Yes you are much weaker. You need between 300 and 900 cp depending who you ask to catch up.

As for your build. Stam nightblades lack heals as the stam version of sap essence has no heal and funnel health is magica only. Since NB's lack a push button self heal (DK or Templar) they rely on these health sapping type attacks which only restore enough health if they are part of the regular rotation. They cannot be for a stam build. Thus, you die.
.

this oversight comes under the heading "What where they thinking...."


All of the "heals" are magica based. The push towards stam, makes sense for DK & Temp.
But living in a non-cap world, without "heals" , is certain death.

the previous meta, Magica with Stam (backup). Worked because of Resto.
But, Stam with Magica(backup). Resto becomes weak...and thus heals are weak.

Also, the meta, that NB don't need / use heals because of siphon.
This also gets knocked...for the poor stam NB.

so..."What where they thinking..."


Kill Well
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I wish I could tell you what they were thinking in general. I can't figure out at all what they expect sorcs to do at all with a bunch of magica passives in a class that only gets dps with stam builds. In comparison to this, the NB oversight appears minor to me. It is a big problem but at least it's only one in an otherwise functional class. It could be fixed pretty easily and very well might be. I agree that it makes grinding a problem though. You just really have to run with other folks to grind a stam NB in the conventional fashion.

As for your particular situation. You know you will gain XP much faster on that VR5 templar you have as you won't over level content. I would XP grind on that or another low toon and just spec the NB's for playing endgame content where you will be in groups anyway.

cvgb16_ESO

Hmm, i got ganked yesterday in pvp by a vr10 nb hitting siphon for 4-6k. Not sure what he had to stack to get that damage, but considering it has a decent heal associated with it, the cheap cost (even stacking pure spell power you can get it under 1k), it becomes pretty deadly. It costs me way more to block it/dodge it than to cast. Other than the obvious weakness to anyone running reflect, this looks like a decent way to go..

AlnilamE

OP, when I was leveling my NB, it did feel like I hit a bit of a wall between V4-V7ish. After V7 things seemed to go much better and it felt like I zoomed to V14.

One thing I really enjoyed doing at that level, though, was running around Craglorn doing the quest line and helping friends with the quests (you can go into the dungeons if you've already done the quests, there are just some quest bits that you can't see). It was a lot of fun and it gave a fair amount of XP.

Pledges are a good idea, I think. You may want to start your own group and then just say "LFM Vet pledge V4 instance".

Some people want to do the pledge at V12 because of the boss heads and the other dropped sets, but some people are only after the gold key and are happy to run it at a lower level.

Trials, you may want to wait a bit. Usually V10 is a recommended minimum. Of course, if you are part of a raiding guild where a group doesn't mind taking you on a training run, you can certainly go at V4. There are just a couple of DPS checks where the group has to be really good if they have more than one person at a lower level.

Anyway, whatever you do, try to do stuff you enjoy! Of course, if you alternate between different things, that will get you from getting bored doing just one thing and make levelling seem to go faster.

jelliedsoup

i dont understand what zos is looking to achieve in this game for dps builds.

The only way to kill dks and templars is ti stun ans then unload as much as you can. Usse mark target, rally if they put on mitagation or defensive posture you need to hope cloak doesn't fail you again. Theyve made hybrids the most viable then healers then dps.

All those fear mongerers who were worried about those highly specced stam builds have nothing to worry about. Im sure highly specced magicka builds are the same. ;/