How do you feel about the 1.6 changes to Redguard and Orc armour?

AngryNord

Uh, I don't see anything wrong With that screenshot?

Theegoliath

This is one of those topics that none of the staff have said anything about, and clearly everyone does not like it but two...

Gone is the sexy some had in a "M" rated game... : /

Mumnoch

Overall I don't like the changes

Horrible armor design, FIRE the armor designer's quickly and hire competent ones.

ESO has never been so prudish and ugly in the armor design department since it came out. Even back in the early 90's with low pixel's the armor was unique and sexy.

Now it looks like a cardboard box spray painted silver or brown.


Seriously. Fire these joker's and get some quality artist's in. If you think people will continue to pay you to play this game with it's horribly puritan designed armor + bad class changes you are mistaken ZoS. You are running out of time to fix your mistakes.

SeptimusDova

Overall I don't like the changes

Maybe they are intimidated by GamerGate? Bad design change I like the original armor better By making the Orc and Redguard armor the way it is now . You have accomplished one thing for me ZOS . I am now able to remove Starmetal and Manganese from my bank. No reason to collect and craft either of those two abominations.

Moonshadow66

Overall I don't like the changes

I took screenshots from before the update and then when 1.6 was on PTS.
Here the results:

My character Donna, Redguard light chest piece:



My character Frances (now she's no vampire anymore), Orc heavy chest piece with Ancient Elf light shoulder piece:



And my character Sandrah (now she doesn't exist anymore), Orc heavy chest piece with Breton light shoulder piece (Warlock set):


No more words needed, I think..

Sotha_Sil

Overall, these styles aren't that great. Orc is not badass at all and. Redguard heavy/medium is ok but there are better styles.

ElfFromSpace

Overall I don't like the changes

Actually in spite of the fact that I liked having ONE heavy armor option if I wanted to give the girls a bit of air.. I kind of like the changes to the Orc heavy. It does look cleaner/better textures.

It's really the redguard that they trashed. The shirt uggg. everything ugg. Ok I guess the boots are a little better. Please let us chose!!!

Rykoth

Overall I like the changes

I'm glad the Orc Heavy got changed. Boob Windows are STUPID.

The rest of the changes are meh.

MornaBaine

Overall I don't like the changes

Heavy and medium armor needs to completely cover. Light armor, which is CLOTH, needs to have a range of options. Why? Because it is NOT actually armor. It's CLOTHING with magic applied to it. The Redguard light changes are APPALLING.

jcollier

Overall I don't like the changes

I don't understand why some pieces were radically changed from a design perspective, this is just bound to annoy people who were wearing these armors. Nobody is against polishing up textures, but taking away people's preferred styles for no discernible reason is a terrible decision.

newtinmpls

Overall I don't like the changes

Sadness ... and since the 1.6 patch the ONLY style book drops I've found have been reguard....

UrQuan

Overall I don't like the changes

It's interesting, I've been keeping an eye on this poll since I started it, and the entire time it's been fairly consistent: 2/3 of the people voting don't like the changes, and 1/3 do.

bellanca6561n

Overall I don't like the changes

Rykoth wrote: »

I'm glad the Orc Heavy got changed. Boob Windows are STUPID.

The rest of the changes are meh.

I got this a lot when complaining about the change. One player in the NA Pact RP mega-guild told me to go f*ck myself sideways, another told me to go elsewhere for my pixel boobs...it got strange. Many cited logic.

If you go with logic, however, the armor protrusions for breasts are even more absurd. They restrict movement and would crush your sternum if you took a heavy blow to that area.

Thus all metal armor of all styles with breast protrusions are stupid....or STUPID as you put it.

No, this is about a different sensibility and I believe, in the case of the RP folks, it goes to some lore issue I'm unaware of.

Few say the Dark Seducer costume or the Encasement of Anguish rare drop armor is stupid.

Encasement of Anguish with Daedric "breeches" at a NA Pact RP event

This is because the original mythology of elves as bewitchers and seducers was offloaded to the Daedra. Other games maintain that mythology but we tend to dismiss them as juvenile.

We are comfortable with killing, but not with sex. We delight in gory effects, blood spurting, and victims dissolving into poison pools while howling in agony, but not with boobs showing or any leg exposed at all.

Armor is also clothing in this game. And I used it as such and do not believe it looked....stupid.

I get your point, MornaBaine, and we agree that it can be clothing...but why is it okay to wear revealing armor as clothing....so long as it's not metal?

Where I think we can all agree is that it probably didn't suit the Orc motif. Yet I'd wager real money that if both were available we'd rarely see the new Orc heavy female style.

Finally getting back to the early posts in this thread, I think it might have been better handled had we not be told this was an improvement in the announcement ("come see the improved new styles") followed by a developer initiated topic seeking praise.

xaraan

Overall I like the changes

I like the changes outside of not loving the light redguard helmet.

They should offer a dress outfit as a costume for those that miss the old female redguard light armor, those players seem to be the most bothered by the changes. Don't feel sorry for the boob window being gone on the orc female armor though, that was kind of weird.

Sevalaricgirl

Overall I don't like the changes

I just looked at my DK who is in Orc heavy and said what the heck did they do. I unsubbed for that and other reasons. I hate the new armor.

newtinmpls

Overall I don't like the changes

My understanding is that it was trialed and disliked on PTS, then moved to live, and disliked.

UrQuan

Overall I don't like the changes

bellanca6561n wrote: »

If you go with logic, however, the armor protrusions for breasts are even more absurd. They restrict movement and would crush your sternum if you took a heavy blow to that area.

You're right about that, and it's actually even worse than you describe it. If you look at a knight's breastplate from the era where full plate was becoming common, you'll note that it typically has a ridge along the front that the breastplate curves away from on both sides. This design helps to deflect blows so that the full force won't go into the armour (making it less likely to penetrate), and to make it more likely that a blow will glance off the side rather than connect solidly to your vital areas. Protrusions for breasts means that blows striking anywhere on the inner curves of the protrusions will be directed towards the middle of the chest, making it more likely that they will penetrate the breastplate, while simultaneously directing them towards some of the most vital areas of the anatomy.

BBSooner

Overall I don't like the changes

bellanca6561n wrote: »

Rykoth wrote: »

I'm glad the Orc Heavy got changed. Boob Windows are STUPID.

The rest of the changes are meh.

I got this a lot when complaining about the change. One player in the NA Pact RP mega-guild told me to go f*ck myself sideways, another told me to go elsewhere for my pixel boobs...it got strange. Many cited logic.

If you go with logic, however, the armor protrusions for breasts are even more absurd. They restrict movement and would crush your sternum if you took a heavy blow to that area.

Thus all metal armor of all styles with breast protrusions are stupid....or STUPID as you put it.

No, this is about a different sensibility and I believe, in the case of the RP folks, it goes to some lore issue I'm unaware of.

Few say the Dark Seducer costume or the Encasement of Anguish rare drop armor is stupid.

Encasement of Anguish with Daedric "breeches" at a NA Pact RP event

This is because the original mythology of elves as bewitchers and seducers was offloaded to the Daedra. Other games maintain that mythology but we tend to dismiss them as juvenile.

We are comfortable with killing, but not with sex. We delight in gory effects, blood spurting, and victims dissolving into poison pools while howling in agony, but not with boobs showing or any leg exposed at all.

Armor is also clothing in this game. And I used it as such and do not believe it looked....stupid.

I get your point, MornaBaine, and we agree that it can be clothing...but why is it okay to wear revealing armor as clothing....so long as it's not metal?

Where I think we can all agree is that it probably didn't suit the Orc motif. Yet I'd wager real money that if both were available we'd rarely see the new Orc heavy female style.

Finally getting back to the early posts in this thread, I think it might have been better handled had we not be told this was an improvement in the announcement ("come see the improved new styles") followed by a developer initiated topic seeking praise.

I agree whole heartedly. I wish the changes were about practicality, but its not. Boob plate is only slightly less fatal than a boob window in combat, but thats not what people are really worried about. The sight of a couple inches of cleavage on plate brings back pearl clutching shivers from people scarred by heavily sexualized art styles and they call for the removal of a single occasion of slightly less conservative plate. It's completely silly, and the ignorant "urnly teens liek bewbs" response given so often is a clear indication of the lack of ability to look at it rationally.

Lettigall

Overall I like the changes

Every time I read those topics about removed boob windows this comic comes to mind: http://oglaf.com/newmodelarmy/
(Won't post pictures cause they may be looked as inappropriate! )

bellanca6561n

Overall I don't like the changes

Lettigall wrote: »

Every time I read those topics about removed boob windows this comic comes to mind: http://oglaf.com/newmodelarmy/
(Won't post pictures cause they may be looked as inappropriate! )

I think both points of view have had their say here.

But, as my grandfather used to say, "They fight over an empty box." The change has been made. The writing hand, having writ, moves on.

What I expect will happen is that portions of the original styles will turn up in dropped sets. This is how the developers made use of all sorts of assets that never made it into crafted motifs, such as Stygian, Yokudan, Ashlander and such.

Plus they have a store to stock that opens its doors in a day or two.

ElfFromSpace

Overall I don't like the changes

If they put the changes in the store, that doesn't fix the NPCs. It probably won't allow me to dye my looks as I once could..
I wish I didn't get so emotionally involved in games but I guess that's what makes me a gamer. I was literally sobbing about the changes when 1.6 hit and my boyfriend had to comfort me. I feel like a kid who had a giant rainbow lolypop i loved, and THE MAN walked up to me, stole my lolypop, and said "There's a store over there where you just might be able to buy a red lolypop, but your rainbow lolypop is mine" and then bit it in half in front of me.

Anyway I put up a new thread to respond to the ESO live stream and to make a poll with more options:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157563/how-do-you-feel-about-the-changes-to-redguard-and-orc-armor-designs

Guppet

Overall I don't like the changes

The new models look like they will require far less processing power to display. Changed to lower the load for consoles?

DisgracefulMind

Overall I don't like the changes

I hate it. My Sorc looks so frumpy in her redguard dress. >:(

SlayerSyrena

Overall I like the changes

I like the new Redguard look. Especially the medium jerkin and helm ... *ducks and dodges thrown tomatoes*

bellanca6561n

Overall I don't like the changes

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

If they put the changes in the store, that doesn't fix the NPCs. It probably won't allow me to dye my looks as I once could..
I wish I didn't get so emotionally involved in games but I guess that's what makes me a gamer. I was literally sobbing about the changes when 1.6 hit and my boyfriend had to comfort me. I feel like a kid who had a giant rainbow lolypop i loved, and THE MAN walked up to me, stole my lolypop, and said "There's a store over there where you just might be able to buy a red lolypop, but your rainbow lolypop is mine" and then bit it in half in front of me.

Anyway I put up a new thread to respond to the ESO live stream and to make a poll with more options:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157563/how-do-you-feel-about-the-changes-to-redguard-and-orc-armor-designs

I do too, Elf. No shame in it; no tag, such as "gamer," required.

Rather it's shortsighted to imagine an immense gulf between real and digital spaces because the human heart cannot separate emotion triggered in a digital setting from that provoked in an analog one.

The most fundamental reality is time. And how we spend our time defines our lives. Thus saying one activity is real life and the other not is a bit narrow.

And what makes online gaming different is that it creates relationships with other people. It takes years and years to know people in meat-space whereas the shared consensual stress of gaming in cyberspace reveals who people truly are, and does it faster....in minutes in some cases.

And I'm not some kid from the digital age either. I'm 62, have owned and flown airplanes, sailed alone on the open ocean, climbed many mountains and did it all on one leg. Not saying I'm special but my sense of reality is keen.

But I digress

The hell of developing online games is that all change is disruptive yet you must constantly deliver change. Thus the best in the business are defined by knowing what changes to make. It requires focus. This particular change felt....random.

The core of version 6 is anything but random, however. I think most of it was brilliant....which is why this bit didn't fit.

UrQuan

Overall I don't like the changes

bellanca6561n wrote: »

The core of version 6 is anything but random, however. I think most of it was brilliant....which is why this bit didn't fit.

I would agree with this. Overall 1.6 is the best update ESO has yet seen IMO, but I consider this part of it to be a mistake. There are a couple of other quibbles I have with 1.6 (aside from this, my biggest concern is that the bounty granted when you heal an outlaw is poorly thought out, and overly punishing to new players who do it by accident), but overall I think it was a great update.

bellanca6561n

Overall I don't like the changes

UrQuan wrote: »

bellanca6561n wrote: »

The core of version 6 is anything but random, however. I think most of it was brilliant....which is why this bit didn't fit.

I would agree with this. Overall 1.6 is the best update ESO has yet seen IMO, but I consider this part of it to be a mistake. There are a couple of other quibbles I have with 1.6 (aside from this, my biggest concern is that the bounty granted when you heal an outlaw is poorly thought out, and overly punishing to new players who do it by accident), but overall I think it was a great update.

Indeed. Yet the howling, the fury, even death threats are the lot of the online game developer.

Anyone considering a career in it needs to have Rudyard Kipling's poem, If, on their nightstand...as the first and last thing they read each day

slumber_sandb16_ESO

I've had three big issues with the Orc armour since I first saw it.


1. It's too damn shiny. It's supposed to be armour for orcs, not armour for the heroic knights on their valiant steeds. Should be less shiny, imo.
2. The helmet is covered and not open faced. Do not like.
3. The toes on the boots are flat. So wrong. Should be as it is in their own artwork: http://i.imgur.com/Mnmu4qg.jpg

I do like how beefy it looks though and the overall details. Although I still think they should make it look a bit more savage and less knightly. Add a bit more fur perhaps, make it look more worn.

Vizier

Sleeveless might be sexier but covered arms are better in the desert sun. Do you want your characters to get skin cancer?

...just sayin.

bellanca6561n

Overall I don't like the changes

Vizier wrote: »

Sleeveless might be sexier but covered arms are better in the desert sun. Do you want your characters to get skin cancer?

...just sayin.

Well....if you put it that way....