Template characters for Live

prototypefb

With upcoming changes in b2p system, hopefully millions of new faces will roam across Tamriel!
Wouldn't it be cool to give new players kind of test char at end game?
Make several playstyle/class/race template characters with:

• maxed level
• appropriate gold armor/weapon/jewelery sets(character level, bound to this template character only)
• skills all maxed, ready to morph(all morphs maxed)
• limited amount(enough for 2 weapon types, 1 armor type and 2-3 other skill lines) of skillpoints(skillpoint distribution limited only to weapon/armor/class/guild/world skill lines(all max level))

Character ready to play but without option to earn more skillpoints/exp/AP/crafting inspiration/CP.
Kind of a test char, with name 'Template character xxx'* above head, for newcomers to test/play around before/while they level main chars, or anyone else for fun or RP or whatever.

*xxxxx - 001, 002 and so on type of template

nerevarine1138

Nope.

That goes directly against the philosophy of not selling advantages via the Crown Store.

Do you want a VR14 character? Level one.

prototypefb

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

That goes directly against the philosophy of not selling advantages via the Crown Store.

Do you want a VR14 character? Level one.

i was picturing very limited version of character, no access to XP, AP, CP, crafting, just to give a feel of end game, many will quit before ever reaching lvl 20 lol

Soulshine

Anyone who has bought the game can also download the PTS and do all that already.

nerevarine1138

prototypefb wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

That goes directly against the philosophy of not selling advantages via the Crown Store.

Do you want a VR14 character? Level one.

i was picturing very limited version of character, no access to XP, AP, CP, crafting, just to give a feel of end game, many will quit before ever reaching lvl 20 lol

How would a character without access to these things give anyone a feel of endgame?

More importantly, why do you want to keep promoting the (mistaken) impression that this game is about a race to max level? It's never been about that, and players who have fun while leveling their characters tend to be the ones who stay around. I see no reason to think that people would leave by level 20.

prototypefb

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

That goes directly against the philosophy of not selling advantages via the Crown Store.

Do you want a VR14 character? Level one.

i was picturing very limited version of character, no access to XP, AP, CP, crafting, just to give a feel of end game, many will quit before ever reaching lvl 20 lol

How would a character without access to these things give anyone a feel of endgame?

More importantly, why do you want to keep promoting the (mistaken) impression that this game is about a race to max level? It's never been about that, and players who have fun while leveling their characters tend to be the ones who stay around. I see no reason to think that people would leave by level 20.

many things are not available on low level, and for some(non grinders) it may take very long time to reach lvl 50, maybe too long to unlock some fun features of the game.
max level just to be able to access some key events/areas, besides it's a choice make nameless template or no.

TheShadowScout

No. Just no.

Let someone bypass most of the game, just so they can then cry about not having enough endgame content??? I really hope they never ever get -that- desperate for money to sell something like this...

prototypefb

Soulshine wrote: »

Anyone who has bought the game can also download the PTS and do all that already.

extra day(or so) for a seperate client download? just to try new char? maybe 1 in 1000 would do that if they were determined enough...

Soulshine

prototypefb wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

That goes directly against the philosophy of not selling advantages via the Crown Store.

Do you want a VR14 character? Level one.

i was picturing very limited version of character, no access to XP, AP, CP, crafting, just to give a feel of end game, many will quit before ever reaching lvl 20 lol

How would a character without access to these things give anyone a feel of endgame?

More importantly, why do you want to keep promoting the (mistaken) impression that this game is about a race to max level? It's never been about that, and players who have fun while leveling their characters tend to be the ones who stay around. I see no reason to think that people would leave by level 20.

many things are not available on low level, and for some(non grinders) it may take very long time to reach lvl 50, maybe too long to unlock some fun features of the game.
max level just to be able to access some key events/areas, besides it's a choice make nameless template or no.

Again, if you are in that big of a hurry to see an end game char, you can do all this on the PTS with a template there.

UrQuan

No. This is pretty much exactly the same as being able to buy a level 90 character in WoW.

On the PTS it's fine because it's a good way to let people test things for end-game and find bugs and balance issues that wouldn't be found otherwise.

On live it's a terrible idea, because it gives everyone an end-game character that they would actually be able to use in PVP or trials or whatever without having earned it. Even if you make the gear that comes with it bound to the character, you still give a brand new player the ability to go out and acquire end game gear and earn a ton more gold than they can do at low levels.

Let people progress through the game normally. If they really want to try stuff out, let them use the PTS for it. That's what it's there for (in part)

prototypefb

UrQuan wrote: »

No. This is pretty much exactly the same as being able to buy a level 90 character in WoW.

On the PTS it's fine because it's a good way to let people test things for end-game and find bugs and balance issues that wouldn't be found otherwise.

On live it's a terrible idea, because it gives everyone an end-game character that they would actually be able to use in PVP or trials or whatever without having earned it. Even if you make the gear that comes with it bound to the character, you still give a brand new player the ability to go out and acquire end game gear and earn a ton more gold than they can do at low levels.

Let people progress through the game normally. If they really want to try stuff out, let them use the PTS for it. That's what it's there for (in part)

yes they would be able to earn coins faster than leveling from scratch(this is a potential new player vs old player balancing issue, would help rookies a lot tbh) but still this char would never be real end game, hence no access to CP/crafts/XP/AP, you'd still have to level true character for all that.

Funkopotamus

This is the reason MMO's suck these days.. Everyone wants things given to them. Why in the hell do these people play MMO's to start with? MMO's are ment to be a journey. Maybe a single player RPG is what they should play.

It is not about racing to max level to inflate your Epeen.. If you want to enjoy endgame then by all means EARN IT just like everyone else.. If people quit before lvl20 then I say the community will be better for it..

Morshire

prototypefb wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Nope.

That goes directly against the philosophy of not selling advantages via the Crown Store.

Do you want a VR14 character? Level one.

i was picturing very limited version of character, no access to XP, AP, CP, crafting, just to give a feel of end game, many will quit before ever reaching lvl 20 lol

How would a character without access to these things give anyone a feel of endgame?

More importantly, why do you want to keep promoting the (mistaken) impression that this game is about a race to max level? It's never been about that, and players who have fun while leveling their characters tend to be the ones who stay around. I see no reason to think that people would leave by level 20.

many things are not available on low level, and for some(non grinders) it may take very long time to reach lvl 50, maybe too long to unlock some fun features of the game.
max level just to be able to access some key events/areas, besides it's a choice make nameless template or no.

To answer...No. For all the reasons that others have already pointed out.

prototypefb

Funkopotamus wrote: »

This is the reason MMO's suck these days.. Everyone wants things given to them. Why in the hell do these people play MMO's to start with? MMO's are ment to be a journey. Maybe a single player RPG is what they should play.

It is not about racing to max level to inflate your Epeen.. If you want to enjoy endgame then by all means EARN IT just like everyone else.. If people quit before lvl20 then I say the community will be better for it..

this is not necessarily about race to max level, it's a way for newcomers to fasttrack knowledge of bad/good/fun etc stuff in game, and for everyone else it might be a tool to test out build they don't want to invest weeks/months into, without dowloading pts.
if people quit before they see most of the game and then go rant on social networking sites, game loses lot of potential players, thus making game lose a lot in long run.

Soulshine

prototypefb wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

This is the reason MMO's suck these days.. Everyone wants things given to them. Why in the hell do these people play MMO's to start with? MMO's are ment to be a journey. Maybe a single player RPG is what they should play.

It is not about racing to max level to inflate your Epeen.. If you want to enjoy endgame then by all means EARN IT just like everyone else.. If people quit before lvl20 then I say the community will be better for it..

this is not necessarily about race to max level, it's a way for newcomers to fasttrack knowledge of bad/good/fun etc stuff in game, and for everyone else it might be a tool to test out build they don't want to invest weeks/months into, without dowloading pts.
if people quit before they see most of the game and then go rant on social networking sites, game loses lot of potential players, thus making game lose a lot in long run.

At this point in the game's life, there are tons of ways to get end game knowledge between this forum, Reddit, Tamriel Foundry, live Twitch streams, you tube etc. If that is not sufficient and people are so bent to play and end game char NOW, then I say for the third time DOWNLOAD THE PTS, that is what it is there for. TESTING.

Asking for a capped character on live to use for this is tantamount to an exploit, since you would be using a character with many advantages over any other normal character still working on the process normally.

prototypefb

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

This is the reason MMO's suck these days.. Everyone wants things given to them. Why in the hell do these people play MMO's to start with? MMO's are ment to be a journey. Maybe a single player RPG is what they should play.

It is not about racing to max level to inflate your Epeen.. If you want to enjoy endgame then by all means EARN IT just like everyone else.. If people quit before lvl20 then I say the community will be better for it..

this is not necessarily about race to max level, it's a way for newcomers to fasttrack knowledge of bad/good/fun etc stuff in game, and for everyone else it might be a tool to test out build they don't want to invest weeks/months into, without dowloading pts.
if people quit before they see most of the game and then go rant on social networking sites, game loses lot of potential players, thus making game lose a lot in long run.

At this point in the game's life, there are tons of ways to get end game knowledge between this forum, Reddit, Tamriel Foundry, live Twitch streams, you tube etc. If that is not sufficient and people are so bent to play and end game char NOW, then I say for the third time DOWNLOAD THE PTS, that is what it is there for. TESTING.

Asking for a capped character on live to use for this is tantamount to an exploit, since you would be using a character with many advantages over any other normal character still working on the process normally.

i get it, veterans scared of influx of newbies... always been like that.
just because you haven't played long enough means you have to go through what every1 else did?
this is what kills games these days, rookies need all help they can get their hands on, instead of piles of hurdles they already face coming in game fresh.

Soulshine

prototypefb wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

This is the reason MMO's suck these days.. Everyone wants things given to them. Why in the hell do these people play MMO's to start with? MMO's are ment to be a journey. Maybe a single player RPG is what they should play.

It is not about racing to max level to inflate your Epeen.. If you want to enjoy endgame then by all means EARN IT just like everyone else.. If people quit before lvl20 then I say the community will be better for it..

this is not necessarily about race to max level, it's a way for newcomers to fasttrack knowledge of bad/good/fun etc stuff in game, and for everyone else it might be a tool to test out build they don't want to invest weeks/months into, without dowloading pts.
if people quit before they see most of the game and then go rant on social networking sites, game loses lot of potential players, thus making game lose a lot in long run.

At this point in the game's life, there are tons of ways to get end game knowledge between this forum, Reddit, Tamriel Foundry, live Twitch streams, you tube etc. If that is not sufficient and people are so bent to play and end game char NOW, then I say for the third time DOWNLOAD THE PTS, that is what it is there for. TESTING.

Asking for a capped character on live to use for this is tantamount to an exploit, since you would be using a character with many advantages over any other normal character still working on the process normally.

i get it, veterans scared of influx of newbies... always been like that.
just because you haven't played long enough means you have to go through what every1 else did?
this is what kills games these days, rookies need all help they can get their hands on, instead of piles of hurdles they already face coming in game fresh.

No, what kills games are people that completely trivialize the process of learning to play to the point where they believe the only thing necessary is a capped character with best in slot gear.

prototypefb

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

This is the reason MMO's suck these days.. Everyone wants things given to them. Why in the hell do these people play MMO's to start with? MMO's are ment to be a journey. Maybe a single player RPG is what they should play.

It is not about racing to max level to inflate your Epeen.. If you want to enjoy endgame then by all means EARN IT just like everyone else.. If people quit before lvl20 then I say the community will be better for it..

this is not necessarily about race to max level, it's a way for newcomers to fasttrack knowledge of bad/good/fun etc stuff in game, and for everyone else it might be a tool to test out build they don't want to invest weeks/months into, without dowloading pts.
if people quit before they see most of the game and then go rant on social networking sites, game loses lot of potential players, thus making game lose a lot in long run.

At this point in the game's life, there are tons of ways to get end game knowledge between this forum, Reddit, Tamriel Foundry, live Twitch streams, you tube etc. If that is not sufficient and people are so bent to play and end game char NOW, then I say for the third time DOWNLOAD THE PTS, that is what it is there for. TESTING.

Asking for a capped character on live to use for this is tantamount to an exploit, since you would be using a character with many advantages over any other normal character still working on the process normally.

advantages:
early access to veteran areas/dungeons(chance to earn good gears)
chance to learn/test all weapons/skills/builds(imba for newbies)
saving coins/time of testing skills/builds(helps newbies a bunch)

disadvantages:
limited character/weaker than any naturally progressed character of same build, not suitable for real end game(which is not even implemented yet)

prototypefb

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

This is the reason MMO's suck these days.. Everyone wants things given to them. Why in the hell do these people play MMO's to start with? MMO's are ment to be a journey. Maybe a single player RPG is what they should play.

It is not about racing to max level to inflate your Epeen.. If you want to enjoy endgame then by all means EARN IT just like everyone else.. If people quit before lvl20 then I say the community will be better for it..

this is not necessarily about race to max level, it's a way for newcomers to fasttrack knowledge of bad/good/fun etc stuff in game, and for everyone else it might be a tool to test out build they don't want to invest weeks/months into, without dowloading pts.
if people quit before they see most of the game and then go rant on social networking sites, game loses lot of potential players, thus making game lose a lot in long run.

At this point in the game's life, there are tons of ways to get end game knowledge between this forum, Reddit, Tamriel Foundry, live Twitch streams, you tube etc. If that is not sufficient and people are so bent to play and end game char NOW, then I say for the third time DOWNLOAD THE PTS, that is what it is there for. TESTING.

Asking for a capped character on live to use for this is tantamount to an exploit, since you would be using a character with many advantages over any other normal character still working on the process normally.

i get it, veterans scared of influx of newbies... always been like that.
just because you haven't played long enough means you have to go through what every1 else did?
this is what kills games these days, rookies need all help they can get their hands on, instead of piles of hurdles they already face coming in game fresh.

No, what kills games are people that completely trivialize the process of learning to play to the point where they believe the only thing necessary is a capped character with best in slot gear.

this is 21st century, ppl are dumbed down a bunch, and yes, this is a mmo, to thrive/survive it needs all those sheepish ppl who play the damn game, even those who don't have time to level character from scratch but would want to access part of end game.
IF game will provide more options, better will be likelyhood to thrive in a long run, perhaps, even become best mmo ever.

Morshire

prototypefb wrote: »

disadvantages:
limited character/weaker than any naturally progressed character of same build, not suitable for real end game(which is not even implemented yet)

Isn't that exactly what a new character is? How do you test something if it is not a real character of said level? How would you test it? PTS gives you everything...I mean everything for end game. That is where you could really "test" the builds. Seriously shooting down your own argument here.

prototypefb

Morshire wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

disadvantages:
limited character/weaker than any naturally progressed character of same build, not suitable for real end game(which is not even implemented yet)

Isn't that exactly what a new character is? How do you test something if it is not a real character of said level? How would you test it? PTS gives you everything...I mean everything for end game. That is where you could really "test" the builds. Seriously shooting down your own argument here.

all i pointed out is, that this templates would not have advantages over naturally progressed characters other than time invested, which benefits game, in my opinion.

Morshire

prototypefb wrote: »

Morshire wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

disadvantages:
limited character/weaker than any naturally progressed character of same build, not suitable for real end game(which is not even implemented yet)

Isn't that exactly what a new character is? How do you test something if it is not a real character of said level? How would you test it? PTS gives you everything...I mean everything for end game. That is where you could really "test" the builds. Seriously shooting down your own argument here.

all i pointed out is, that this templates would not have advantages over naturally progressed characters other than time invested, which benefits game, in my opinion.

Okay, so I disagree because - If you played one of those "templates" what would be the incentive to go back to lvl 1 and work your way up? People would just play with it till the "disadvantages" got too annoying, then they would start begging to let them buy it for real. And guess what...ZOS would see $$$$$$$$ and in it would go. Now, who really got cheated?

I get your premise about trying to entice new players, but I seriously think this is not it. I can't think of a better way to accomplish your aim, so I won't try. But I do want to finish this with another NO. (Not trying to goad ya either)

prototypefb

Morshire wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Morshire wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

disadvantages:
limited character/weaker than any naturally progressed character of same build, not suitable for real end game(which is not even implemented yet)

Isn't that exactly what a new character is? How do you test something if it is not a real character of said level? How would you test it? PTS gives you everything...I mean everything for end game. That is where you could really "test" the builds. Seriously shooting down your own argument here.

all i pointed out is, that this templates would not have advantages over naturally progressed characters other than time invested, which benefits game, in my opinion.

Okay, so I disagree because - If you played one of those "templates" what would be the incentive to go back to lvl 1 and work your way up? People would just play with it till the "disadvantages" got too annoying, then they would start begging to let them buy it for real. And guess what...ZOS would see $$$$$$$$ and in it would go. Now, who really got cheated?

I get your premise about trying to entice new players, but I seriously think this is not it. I can't think of a better way to accomplish your aim, so I won't try. But I do want to finish this with another NO. (Not trying to goad ya either)

i myself did main quest 6 times so far, on 1st char i did 1k+ quests already, game is fun enough to play it over and over(at least leveling 1-50 part), i believe anyone eventually would be interested in naturally progressed character after they see champion system, crafting, pvp(ranks, skills), which would not be available for templates.
Discussion is good tho, keeps the thread going.
All i want is ZOS to notice this and consider it, discuss maybe, i see lot of potential in this.

Froggmann5

This is an awful idea. You're not thinking of just how much would have to be blocked in order for this to ever be concievable.

You would have to block:

* Quests: Anything and everything that has to due with the main areas quest line (basically all of them besides small generic dungeon quests that are not appealing in the slightest to newcomers), or the main story quest line. Mages and Fighters guild will have to be blocked as well, removing those two skill lines entirely.
* Trials and Dungeons: Would have to be removed. NO ONE wants a random player to just make up a random account just to get a spot on the trial boards. You can't say the time wouldn't count, because then they would never be invited onto any teams, and would never experience it themselves.
* Cyrodill. Any type of PvP? Gone. Can't experience it. Otherwise, everyone in Cyrodiil would suddenly be max level and it would be unfair to lower level players.
* Collecting items of any sort: Maybe from enemies, MAYBE. But from resource nodes? That would benefit a temporary account nothing, and would just take up the resource nodes from players that actually need it.
* Trading: If you give them free gold and armour, and allow trade between these guys and live accounts, that's just a free armour and money machine.


Essentially, every aspect of the game. If only there were, like a tutorial island or something that could teach everyone these things. Oh wait, we do.

prototypefb

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

This is the reason MMO's suck these days.. Everyone wants things given to them. Why in the hell do these people play MMO's to start with? MMO's are ment to be a journey. Maybe a single player RPG is what they should play.

It is not about racing to max level to inflate your Epeen.. If you want to enjoy endgame then by all means EARN IT just like everyone else.. If people quit before lvl20 then I say the community will be better for it..

this is not necessarily about race to max level, it's a way for newcomers to fasttrack knowledge of bad/good/fun etc stuff in game, and for everyone else it might be a tool to test out build they don't want to invest weeks/months into, without dowloading pts.
if people quit before they see most of the game and then go rant on social networking sites, game loses lot of potential players, thus making game lose a lot in long run.

At this point in the game's life, there are tons of ways to get end game knowledge between this forum, Reddit, Tamriel Foundry, live Twitch streams, you tube etc. If that is not sufficient and people are so bent to play and end game char NOW, then I say for the third time DOWNLOAD THE PTS, that is what it is there for. TESTING.

Asking for a capped character on live to use for this is tantamount to an exploit, since you would be using a character with many advantages over any other normal character still working on the process normally.

i get it, veterans scared of influx of newbies... always been like that.
just because you haven't played long enough means you have to go through what every1 else did?
this is what kills games these days, rookies need all help they can get their hands on, instead of piles of hurdles they already face coming in game fresh.

No, what kills games are people that completely trivialize the process of learning to play to the point where they believe the only thing necessary is a capped character with best in slot gear.

imagine when ZOS implement mini arenas, 3vs3 or w/e , if those will be really awesome and if templates would be available, there would be surge of players willing to purchase game just to play those mini arenas to pvp, kind of LOL style.
This would popularise game insanely. this is just one example where this would be useful.

prototypefb

Froggmann5 wrote: »

This is an awful idea. You're not thinking of just how much would have to be blocked in order for this to ever be concievable.

You would have to block:

* Quests: Anything and everything that has to due with the main areas quest line (basically all of them besides small generic dungeon quests that are not appealing in the slightest to newcomers), or the main story quest line. Mages and Fighters guild will have to be blocked as well, removing those two skill lines entirely.
* Trials and Dungeons: Would have to be removed. NO ONE wants a random player to just make up a random account just to get a spot on the trial boards. You can't say the time wouldn't count, because then they would never be invited onto any teams, and would never experience it themselves.
* Cyrodill. Any type of PvP? Gone. Can't experience it. Otherwise, everyone in Cyrodiil would suddenly be max level and it would be unfair to lower level players.
* Collecting items of any sort: Maybe from enemies, MAYBE. But from resource nodes? That would benefit a temporary account nothing, and would just take up the resource nodes from players that actually need it.
* Trading: If you give them free gold and armour, and allow trade between these guys and live accounts, that's just a free armour and money machine.


Essentially, every aspect of the game. If only there were, like a tutorial island or something that could teach everyone these things. Oh wait, we do.

no need to block anything of above, did you even read what i wrote?

cap skillpoints(hard cap - can't receive more than basic template, no skyshard no quest would yield a point)
trials and dungeons would be harder for templates since no access to Champion system but that doesn't stop them from trying(pugs...)
no access to AP therefore no access to AvA skills, still access to cyrodiil, just no AP, no XP, no CP no crafting inspiration, easily done
dont' see reason why template wouldn't collect items in world, like nodes/farm monsters
gold gear BOUND to specific template character, can't even move into inventory, easy to program

Morshire

prototypefb wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

This is the reason MMO's suck these days.. Everyone wants things given to them. Why in the hell do these people play MMO's to start with? MMO's are ment to be a journey. Maybe a single player RPG is what they should play.

It is not about racing to max level to inflate your Epeen.. If you want to enjoy endgame then by all means EARN IT just like everyone else.. If people quit before lvl20 then I say the community will be better for it..

this is not necessarily about race to max level, it's a way for newcomers to fasttrack knowledge of bad/good/fun etc stuff in game, and for everyone else it might be a tool to test out build they don't want to invest weeks/months into, without dowloading pts.
if people quit before they see most of the game and then go rant on social networking sites, game loses lot of potential players, thus making game lose a lot in long run.

At this point in the game's life, there are tons of ways to get end game knowledge between this forum, Reddit, Tamriel Foundry, live Twitch streams, you tube etc. If that is not sufficient and people are so bent to play and end game char NOW, then I say for the third time DOWNLOAD THE PTS, that is what it is there for. TESTING.

Asking for a capped character on live to use for this is tantamount to an exploit, since you would be using a character with many advantages over any other normal character still working on the process normally.

i get it, veterans scared of influx of newbies... always been like that.
just because you haven't played long enough means you have to go through what every1 else did?
this is what kills games these days, rookies need all help they can get their hands on, instead of piles of hurdles they already face coming in game fresh.

No, what kills games are people that completely trivialize the process of learning to play to the point where they believe the only thing necessary is a capped character with best in slot gear.

imagine when ZOS implement mini arenas, 3vs3 or w/e , if those will be really awesome and if templates would be available, there would be surge of players willing to purchase game just to play those mini arenas to pvp, kind of LOL style.
This would popularise game insanely. this is just one example where this would be useful.

Okay, I will run with this. "3vs3 or w/e...kind of LOL style"...If I went to the PVP area, got grouped with these LOL style, no skill having maxed characters. I'd lose it. Drop group, probably run my mouth some. Those people just had their day ruined and mine. Resentment ensues. It goes downhill from there. (I am being polite and honest here. Actually, the result would be way worse) So what, block them from running with "real characters"? So make them their own area? This makes no sense. Be honest. If you waited in queue for say 20 min, got grouped with these templates, got mauled right away cause they didn't even have skills equipped, how would you react? (Remember, be honest) Maybe not the first time, but how about your whole 3 hours of game time spent dealing with this. Not my idea of a good time.

Your premise is okay, but now I think you are going way to far down this road. Last post for me, because I fear what the bump may get me.

prototypefb

Morshire wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Soulshine wrote: »

prototypefb wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

This is the reason MMO's suck these days.. Everyone wants things given to them. Why in the hell do these people play MMO's to start with? MMO's are ment to be a journey. Maybe a single player RPG is what they should play.

It is not about racing to max level to inflate your Epeen.. If you want to enjoy endgame then by all means EARN IT just like everyone else.. If people quit before lvl20 then I say the community will be better for it..

this is not necessarily about race to max level, it's a way for newcomers to fasttrack knowledge of bad/good/fun etc stuff in game, and for everyone else it might be a tool to test out build they don't want to invest weeks/months into, without dowloading pts.
if people quit before they see most of the game and then go rant on social networking sites, game loses lot of potential players, thus making game lose a lot in long run.

At this point in the game's life, there are tons of ways to get end game knowledge between this forum, Reddit, Tamriel Foundry, live Twitch streams, you tube etc. If that is not sufficient and people are so bent to play and end game char NOW, then I say for the third time DOWNLOAD THE PTS, that is what it is there for. TESTING.

Asking for a capped character on live to use for this is tantamount to an exploit, since you would be using a character with many advantages over any other normal character still working on the process normally.

i get it, veterans scared of influx of newbies... always been like that.
just because you haven't played long enough means you have to go through what every1 else did?
this is what kills games these days, rookies need all help they can get their hands on, instead of piles of hurdles they already face coming in game fresh.

No, what kills games are people that completely trivialize the process of learning to play to the point where they believe the only thing necessary is a capped character with best in slot gear.

imagine when ZOS implement mini arenas, 3vs3 or w/e , if those will be really awesome and if templates would be available, there would be surge of players willing to purchase game just to play those mini arenas to pvp, kind of LOL style.
This would popularise game insanely. this is just one example where this would be useful.

Okay, I will run with this. "3vs3 or w/e...kind of LOL style"...If I went to the PVP area, got grouped with these LOL style, no skill having maxed characters. I'd lose it. Drop group, probably run my mouth some. Those people just had their day ruined and mine. Resentment ensues. It goes downhill from there. (I am being polite and honest here. Actually, the result would be way worse) So what, block them from running with "real characters"? So make them their own area? This makes no sense. Be honest. If you waited in queue for say 20 min, got grouped with these templates, got mauled right away cause they didn't even have skills equipped, how would you react? (Remember, be honest) Maybe not the first time, but how about your whole 3 hours of game time spent dealing with this. Not my idea of a good time.

Your premise is okay, but now I think you are going way to far down this road. Last post for me, because I fear what the bump may get me.

you're more likely run those arenas with your friends anyways, besides you don't know system those arenas will have, if your cp would be replaced with some balanced buff, or scrapped altogether for balancing.

Ysne58

I think this is a bad idea. You want to test out level 14 chars without leveling them yourself, go over to PTS and help the rest of us test. That is what it's there for. And I am not the only one to have said that in this thread. Your version would be too squishy for any kind of endgame content and wouldn't accurately test anything anyway.

The_Sadist

I'm going to say no, the idea is.. bad.

As everyone else pointed out, there's the PTS with a template and if you want to experience an 'endgame' character outside of the PTS, level one up. If a person quits before they reach level 20 I honestly don't think they'd stick around for 'endgame' anyways.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

what new players can do.

use the pts to do what you suggested