1.6 - What will v14s being doing to grind faster champion points?

Khaldar

Even though I think the CP templates look rather lackluster. I guess I'll be finding myself grinding CPs at some point. Removing the XP bonuses and enlightenment from the equation, will we be in grind groups in Spellscar? Or leveling v1 alts? Trial runs? Or do you think there will actually be something more fun to do while we gain these points?

Emma_Overload

This is a really important question. I'm going to be furious if solo grinding isn't a viable way to earn CP!

leandro.800ub17_ESO

I will create an alt and with the main one do the undaunted daily and some trials

Shadesofkin

I've had a character at VR3 sitting there collecting dust for the sole purpose of doing Silver and Gold to gain CP's. Looking forward to giving him some playtime and using my main tank to do Undaunted Dungeons, DSA and Trials

LonePirate

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

This is a really important question. I'm going to be furious if solo grinding isn't a viable way to earn CP!

Prepare to be furious because grinding is being nerfed considerably in 1.6 - and there was not much grinding to be had in 1.5. Simply put, there is no easy way to gain more than 1 CP a day.

seanvwolf

Khaldar wrote: »

Even though I think the CP templates look rather lackluster. I guess I'll be finding myself grinding CPs at some point. Removing the XP bonuses and enlightenment from the equation, will we be in grind groups in Spellscar? Or leveling v1 alts? Trial runs? Or do you think there will actually be something more fun to do while we gain these points?

I already have my daily 4 hour grind spot picked (actually 3, two are fallbacks) and i would suggest you look for one and keep it as private (as possible) if you want to ensure the place isn't overrun by too many other people. Part of the popularity of Spellscar was that everyone knew about it and nothing else, even though there are a few places off the top of my head that give about the same amount of experience per hour while soloing.

LonePirate wrote: »

Prepare to be furious because grinding is being nerfed considerably in 1.6 - and there was not much grinding to be had in 1.5. Simply put, there is no easy way to gain more than 1 CP a day.

I have already tested the CP grind rate in 1.6. You will get 1 CP an hour for 4 CP's (I actually trimmed the time down to about 40 minutes so that i could allow time to sell and repair)... after that it will take you 4 hours to get 1 CP.

If you played like a maniac (16 hours a day), you could get 7 CP a day, easily.

Snit

It's 1.44 billion experience to max CP. 3,600 points at 400k a pop.

If you view that as a grind, something you have to finish (or at least get substantially through), you may end up hating the game. If you view it as advancement without limit, such that you can play as you like and always get some kind of reward, it gives the game years of character development.

I'm going to work very hard to maintain the latter view. In this case, I think viewing it as a grind to get through will not lead to anyplace good So, I'm just going to play and try not to worry about the pace at which I advance.

Artemiisia

leveling a new char

Lord Xanhorn

Grinding CPs will drive you crazy and is not intended on any level by ZOS. You can grind for 5 hours and get 5 CPs and raise your overall character strength by such an insignificant amount its almost pointless. Or you could go out and do things you enjoy such as questing, dungeons, craglorn, pvp, crafting, gathering resources, or leveling alts and over the same 5 hours, you have had fun maybe only rec'd 3 champion points and actually had a very minor reward for just playing the game. This is the intention. 3600 CPs is not end game and if you think it is...Good luck with that.

seanvwolf

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

Grinding CPs will drive you crazy and is not intended on any level by ZOS. You can grind for 5 hours and get 5 CPs and raise your overall character strength by such an insignificant amount its almost pointless. Or you could go out and do things you enjoy such as questing, dungeons, craglorn, pvp, crafting, gathering resources, or leveling alts and over the same 5 hours, you have had fun maybe only rec'd 3 champion points and actually had a very minor reward for just playing the game. This is the intention. 3600 CPs is not end game and if you think it is...Good luck with that.

I don't know... the end level CP unlock passives are pretty nifty to work toward. And if you grind 4 hours a day it will take you about 3 and half months, maybe less to be able to unlock them.

technohic

I'm hoping PvP will be somewhat viable. I'm not counting on it, but I am hoping.

Exstazik

Spellscar was nerfed ~ by half

Pirhana7_ESO

Khaldar wrote: »

Even though I think the CP templates look rather lackluster. I guess I'll be finding myself grinding CPs at some point. Removing the XP bonuses and enlightenment from the equation, will we be in grind groups in Spellscar? Or leveling v1 alts? Trial runs? Or do you think there will actually be something more fun to do while we gain these points?

You really shouldnt look at champion points like something you need to be able to compete with compared to reaching max level or vet 14. Champion points are a long term progression system with very small character imporvements. this system is there to reward and progress you for continueing to play and do what you LIKE to do like AVA in Cyrodiil or trials. Going to do something like 'grinding" or a way to get CP exp slightly faster isnt really what it is about because then your not really doing what you want to do. It will take a very long time to get every CP so just do what you want and enjoy the game while earning them. Most players will never even get half of them.

jdroebuckb16_ESO

I know the Maths dictates it should take a very long time to get all champion points... However, what are the odds on inventive players finding a way to get champion points much quicker than intended, without it being an exploit and we see certain people with lots of CP relatively early in the systems life cycle?

I hope it doesn't happen but.... people do find ways!

technohic

jdroebuckb16_ESO wrote: »

I know the Maths dictates it should take a very long time to get all champion points... However, what are the odds on inventive players finding a way to get champion points much quicker than intended, without it being an exploit and we see certain people with lots of CP relatively early in the systems life cycle?

I hope it doesn't happen but.... people do find ways!

I think those players should be a little cautious in case they say "Well; that wasn't intended" then proceed to nerf that progress. May not even nerf it but might bump the progress for people further behind to where one way or another, you spent that time finding ways to go faster than intended only to be leveled out once again.

I think I would rather just enjoy the game than risk it.

Exstazik

Khaldar wrote: »

Even though I think the CP templates look rather lackluster. I guess I'll be finding myself grinding CPs at some point. Removing the XP bonuses and enlightenment from the equation, will we be in grind groups in Spellscar? Or leveling v1 alts? Trial runs? Or do you think there will actually be something more fun to do while we gain these points?

Spellscar(as all Craglorn ) EXP was nerfed by half.
Trial runs...meh still not enough exp reward
And if you are looking to grind CP,than must have

• Ring of mara
• +10% bonus as subscriber
• +exp potions from Crown Store

If you want just play for fun then do not look at how fast you got CP.You can't play for fun and be at the top at the same moment(it's MMO).

jdroebuckb16_ESO

@technohic Regardless of how you, me and the vast majority of others like to play... you can be 100% certain that there will be a proportion of power gamers out there that will see this as a "challenge" and will look for every possible way to be world first and to get an advantage over others in the game. I am hoping the system is water tight and this won't be an issue but then again if we look back at this thread in a few months time after 1.6 release we might have a little chuckle!

Drazhar14

Nothing. I'll just play normally and enjoy myself. There is no rush to max out champion points and it's meant as a long term goal. However, getting enough points to get the +12% critical hit bonous will be a top priority for me since they nerfed crit chance from medium armor.

technohic

@jdroebuckb16_ESO‌ Oh; to be sure people will do it. And then when something is done to level the playing field, they will throw a fit. @ZOS should make a point of doing a disclaimer that this will be adjusted as they see fit in order to make the system work as they intend, because its going to happen.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

Currently, I have no quests left to do outside of Cyrodiil and Craglorn, and so split my time between PvP, Trials, Vet pledges, and crafting/trading. They need to grant XP for crafting when your skill is max level (e.g. certain amount for making the item, and more for upgrading it with more exp for each tier -- but all with finishing returns so it can't be spammed). Would also like an exp bonus (with a diminishing return or cooldown) when killing an enemy player solo.

It is also painfully obvious that 70 CP is still not enough for most characters to retain their current effectiveness and versatility, which will require significant grinding to get back to where builds were before the update. Frankly this is unacceptable and I don't know why there isn't more pressure for them to increase it some (eg providing 2 points for each Vet Rank).

Bottom line is, without new content and given how overall character effectiveness/versatility has been reduced with 1.6, ZOS needs to throw current max level characters a bone. I'd settle for more CP, but would ideally like to see them also increase exp gains for max level activities.

Xjcon

I have a grind spot all picked out, if they nerf it to a point it's not worth it I'll find something else, my question is why bring these threads about? Are you trying to help ZOS find those spots to nerf them or are you just interested in someone else's secret spot to claim your own?

NukeAllTheThings

I have 2 Vet 1's parked and ready to go and I have some go to grind spots that produce a decent return.

If you have finished the game and all the quests, dungeons etc then anything you do is a grind. You can grind mobs (traditional view of grinding) or you can grind Cadwell's Silver/Gold, grind dailies, Trials or DSA. It is all a grind now because there is nothing new and the only option is to constantly repeat what you have already done.

And those who are constantly throwing out "3600 CP will take forever to grind" don't really get it. People grinding aren't doing it to reach the 3600 number. A few hundred points in each will get us back to similar power we have in 1.6 and all it will take is 120 in each star to be to unlock the "super special" perks. So that is 1080 total and the rest is gravy. This supposed flat leveling system with tiny gains that is supposed to keep people close together is going to have the opposite effect. It will make huge gaps in power that you will never be able to catch up to.....unless they sell potions that stack on top of potions on top of other potions.

Natjur

Leveled four new alts to V1 without doing any quests.
Once patch 1.6 goes live, using them to go back and do all the quests for fast champion points

NukeAllTheThings

Xjcon wrote: »

I have a grind spot all picked out, if they nerf it to a point it's not worth it I'll find something else, my question is why bring these threads about? Are you trying to help ZOS find those spots to nerf them or are you just interested in someone else's secret spot to claim your own?

FYI, there really aren't "secret spots". There are just spots that people haven't gone back to much because they are max level. And trust me, ZOS knows where these spots are because they built the game around them and they can track what everyone is ding in the game. Well, except for XP past VR14

Zershar_Vemod

XP boosts on the Crown Store.

bosmern_ESO

I probably wont do anything special, the one thing that I hope ZoS really does is have pvp be able to gain a champion point per hour or at a equal rate of everything else.

If its not I'm gonna be really sad because ZoS loves to ignore pvp and give us the bad end of everything.

Vahrokh

The CP system is the umpteenth bare-gnawing-teeth hard core grind feature, which I'll completely and utterly ignore.

Soon there won't even be the psychological pressure to grind that you get because otherwise you feel like your paid time is getting wasted.

The very day anybody tells me that my character has lagged behind too much and is now too weak to bring a good contribution to the trial I'll switch to another MMO.
Force me to grind if you can. Nope!

Locke_ESO

The thing that annoys me is that they know people want to progress their characters yet as a VR14 character if you want to gain exp right now you have the following options:

1. Clear up unfinished faction & Craglorn quests (if you haven't done them already)
2. Daily Craglorn quests (still poorly rewarded - Nedic box anyone?)
3. Grind (clearly something they don't like)
4. PvP (maybe you will gain half the champion points you want before you expire due to old age)
5. Undaunted Dailies (because we haven't already been doing these for months)
6. Trials and Dragon Star Arena (not a great source of xp and all but DSA & SO are fairly pointless loot for VR14)

If they are serious about there being no new content until after June (5 months+) then that's a pretty depressing list. The Champion system would work perfectly with a new zone and with content being continually rolled out but like this it's just a recipe for severely making people question why they are still playing their max level character. I just hope they have something...

Attorneyatlawl

3rdwardhobocub18_ESO wrote: »

I have 2 Vet 1's parked and ready to go and I have some go to grind spots that produce a decent return.

If you have finished the game and all the quests, dungeons etc then anything you do is a grind. You can grind mobs (traditional view of grinding) or you can grind Cadwell's Silver/Gold, grind dailies, Trials or DSA. It is all a grind now because there is nothing new and the only option is to constantly repeat what you have already done.

And those who are constantly throwing out "3600 CP will take forever to grind" don't really get it. People grinding aren't doing it to reach the 3600 number. A few hundred points in each will get us back to similar power we have in 1.6 and all it will take is 120 in each star to be to unlock the "super special" perks. So that is 1080 total and the rest is gravy. This supposed flat leveling system with tiny gains that is supposed to keep people close together is going to have the opposite effect. It will make huge gaps in power that you will never be able to catch up to.....unless they sell potions that stack on top of potions on top of other potions.

I can't say I agree. The bonuses in most areas apply to specific things or are build specific in terms of usefulness. Add in that most of them hit about half of their maximum effectiveness within 25 to 30 points out of the 100 total and the curve to get to "good enough" isn't that daunting unless it's your first week playing.

As long as pvp xp gained for the champ system is reasonably close to a moderate grinding speed when pvp has good action going on (especially the imperial city could tie in well since you could grind and still pvp some there!) I love it since it will give something to look at as milestones and a constant tidbit of progress as you play. They're good enough to want, but not so crazy that without maxing things it's killing you as opposed to having some.

Knootewoot

I won't be "grinding". I would just play the game like i normally do. PvP all night and maybe a daily.

Attorneyatlawl

Anyone know offhand how long it takes to get a champ level's worth of enlightenment (1/4) or fill it entirely? (real-time)