Will exp boosting potions stack with sub bonus ? Can it be used to gain CP ?

Joejudas

People deserve to know these two things. For alot of people it will decide whether this is p2w or not. I think either was it's p2w and a cheap cash grab .

LtCrunch

We often disagree, but I agree these are both questions that we need answers to.

dharbert

Yes, XP gain from subscription, rings of mara, and XP potions will stack. XP gained is CP gained. No, it's not pay to win. All it does is help you level up faster. It doesn't give you any kind of edge over another player.

Joejudas

If anyone has a quote from the devs about this can you provide it to us. I haven't seen anything that answers my OP.

dharbert

You can never "win" an MMO, by the way. I personally have millions in gold, have every armor and weapon set that I want, and have completed all content that I care to partake in. Did I win? I don't remember seeing an end credits screen or my name in lights....

LtCrunch

dharbert wrote: »

Yes, XP gain from subscription, rings of mara, and XP potions will stack. XP gained is CP gained. No, it's not pay to win. All it does is help you level up faster. It doesn't give you any kind of edge over another player.

Potions were not mentioned in that thread as far as I know. We also have no idea if the XP boost will apply to CP gained or not. If they can implement a system like enlightenment that only effects CP and not overall XP, they can surely make it so XP boosters dont apply to CP gain.

Snit

Joejudas wrote: »

I think either ways it's p2w and a cheap cash grab .

At least you have an open mind?

dharbert

Brandalf wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

Yes, XP gain from subscription, rings of mara, and XP potions will stack. XP gained is CP gained. No, it's not pay to win. All it does is help you level up faster. It doesn't give you any kind of edge over another player.

Potions were not mentioned in that thread as far as I know. We also have no idea if the XP boost will apply to CP gained or not. If they can implement a system like enlightenment that only effects CP and not overall XP, they can surely make it so XP boosters dont apply to CP gain.

You can't have one without the other. CP gain is tied to XP gain. If you gain XP, you gain CP. Simple as that. The faster you gain XP, the faster you gain CP. There's no separating the two.

LtCrunch

dharbert wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

Yes, XP gain from subscription, rings of mara, and XP potions will stack. XP gained is CP gained. No, it's not pay to win. All it does is help you level up faster. It doesn't give you any kind of edge over another player.

Potions were not mentioned in that thread as far as I know. We also have no idea if the XP boost will apply to CP gained or not. If they can implement a system like enlightenment that only effects CP and not overall XP, they can surely make it so XP boosters dont apply to CP gain.

You can't have one without the other. CP gain is tied to XP gain. If you gain XP, you gain CP. Simple as that. The faster you gain XP, the faster you gain CP. There's no separating the two.

It would be extremely easy to do actually. Simply make XP gained towards CP always on a 1.0x scale and negate any additional XP gained from any sort of modifier, unless enlightened where it is a 4.0x scale.

I expect you're right and it will not work how I suggest, but it would indeed be doable.

Joejudas

I don't have an open mind about it. I have clearly stated in against anyone getting exp boosts....including subs. I just think we should get some clarification on this

dharbert

All this pay to win crap boils down to is the "have-nots" crying about the "haves".

Sorry, but that's life. The virtual world, like the real world, just isn't fair sometimes. You might as well get used to it.

Alphashado

They haven't made any secret about facilitating character progression through the cash store.
Paul Sage: " Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."

That seems pretty clear to me. You can debate whether a race to endgame is considered P2W or not, but since XP is directly tied to CP gain, then the direct answer to your question would be - Yes.

My personal opinion is that this isn't quite P2W... yet.

LtCrunch

Joejudas wrote: »

I don't have an open mind about it. I have clearly stated in against anyone getting exp boosts....including subs. I just think we should get some clarification on this

Just curious, did you consider the rings of Mara pay to win prior to the news of this conversion? I bet not.

Joejudas

Alphashado wrote: »

They haven't made any secret about facilitating character progression through the cash store.
Paul Sage: " Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."

That seems pretty clear to me. You can debate whether a race to endgame is considered P2W or not, but since XP is directly tied to CP gain, then the direct answer to your question would be - Yes.

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

Tintinabula

If we get xp gain stacked with subs ,mara rings AND potions..in effect it IS giving you an edge..you are getting CP faster and therefore are becoming stronger faster and better equipped stat wise than someone NOT buying the potions.

Joejudas

I honestly don't think the two should be comparable. I don't know that many people who honestly use the things. Everyone will use these exp boosters. At least the people who can afford them.To simply answer your question....yeah I think the rings are p2w and they shouldn't stack with anything else.

dharbert

Tintinabula wrote: »

If we get xp gain stacked with subs ,mara rings AND potions..in effect it IS giving you an edge..you are getting CP faster and therefore are becoming stronger faster and better equipped stat wise than someone NOT buying the potions.

Which, as I was saying earlier, boils down to the "haves" vs. the "have-nots".

Everyone is afforded the opportunity to have the same XP gain. Whether or not you choose to, or can afford to, is up to you.

For example, in the real world, there a lot of people who have more financial wits than I do and they make solid investments and gain more money than I do. I have two choices. Sit here and cry about how they are gaining more money than me, or learn their methods and start gaining more money myself.

Life simply is not fair for everyone. Crying about it, however, gets you nowhere.

Alphashado

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

They haven't made any secret about facilitating character progression through the cash store.
Paul Sage: " Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."

That seems pretty clear to me. You can debate whether a race to endgame is considered P2W or not, but since XP is directly tied to CP gain, then the direct answer to your question would be - Yes.

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

Sigh.. dude, please get your head on straight before you talk. XP boosters will work at 50+ just like they would at sub 50. A 10% boost is a flat buff to XP REGARDLESS what level you are. So obviously the boosters are going to add a buff to 50+ XP, therefore they will buff CP gain.

[snip]

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

Joejudas

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

They haven't made any secret about facilitating character progression through the cash store.
Paul Sage: " Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."

That seems pretty clear to me. You can debate whether a race to endgame is considered P2W or not, but since XP is directly tied to CP gain, then the direct answer to your question would be - Yes.

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

Sigh.. dude, please get your head on straight before you talk. XP boosters will work at 50+ just like they would at sub 50. A 10% boost is a flat buff to XP REGARDLESS what level you are. So obviously the boosters are going to add a buff to 50+ XP, therefore they will buff CP gain.

[snip]

Ok so quote the source of that info that says " exp boosters can be used before and after level 50 and they stack with the other bonuses, sub exp, enlightenment etc etc " cause that's why I made this post. You would be the first person with that info if you have it. I don't think you actually do. So stop making statements about stuff you can back up with facts.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

LtCrunch

Joejudas wrote: »

I honestly don't think the two should be comparable. I don't know that many people who honestly use the things. Everyone will use these exp boosters. At least the people who can afford them.To simply answer your question....yeah I think the rings are p2w and they shouldn't stack with anything else.

I didn't ask f you think they are now, but if you thought they were before all of this conversion talk. Of course I have no way to verify, so it's just words without any weight really.

Nobody really complained about the rings of Mara, regardless if you think they're comparable or not, they are. They grant XP gained at an additional rate through a monetary trannsaction, just like the sub bonus or the XP pots(which will be purchaseable with in-game gold unlike the rings). The scale at which they are used does not matter.

Joejudas

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

I honestly don't think the two should be comparable. I don't know that many people who honestly use the things. Everyone will use these exp boosters. At least the people who can afford them.To simply answer your question....yeah I think the rings are p2w and they shouldn't stack with anything else.

I didn't ask f you think they are now, but if you thought they were before all of this conversion talk. Of course I have no way to verify, so it's just words without any weight really.

Nobody really complained about the rings of Mara, regardless if you think they're comparable or not, they are. They grant XP gained at an additional rate through a monetary trannsaction, just like the sub bonus or the XP pots(which will be purchaseable with in-game gold unlike the rings). The scale at which they are used does not matter.

They retracted their statements about being able to buy them with in game gold. I really don't want to argue opinions on this....I just think it needs some clarification.

LtCrunch

Joejudas wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

I honestly don't think the two should be comparable. I don't know that many people who honestly use the things. Everyone will use these exp boosters. At least the people who can afford them.To simply answer your question....yeah I think the rings are p2w and they shouldn't stack with anything else.

I didn't ask f you think they are now, but if you thought they were before all of this conversion talk. Of course I have no way to verify, so it's just words without any weight really.

Nobody really complained about the rings of Mara, regardless if you think they're comparable or not, they are. They grant XP gained at an additional rate through a monetary trannsaction, just like the sub bonus or the XP pots(which will be purchaseable with in-game gold unlike the rings). The scale at which they are used does not matter.

They retracted their statements about being able to buy them with in game gold. I really don't want to argue opinions on this....I just think it needs some clarification.

They didn't retract their statement, they edited it to highlight that nothing is final yet. Which could go either way. You've stated that you think it's still P2W even if they are purchase with in-game currency, so that doesn't impact your POV one way or the other it seems. A topic like this is pretty much nothing but arguing opinions until we get official clarification from ZOS, all we're doing is keeping the thread alive until tha hopefully happens.

LtCrunch

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

They haven't made any secret about facilitating character progression through the cash store.
Paul Sage: " Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."

That seems pretty clear to me. You can debate whether a race to endgame is considered P2W or not, but since XP is directly tied to CP gain, then the direct answer to your question would be - Yes.

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

Sigh.. dude, please get your head on straight before you talk. XP boosters will work at 50+ just like they would at sub 50. A 10% boost is a flat buff to XP REGARDLESS what level you are. So obviously the boosters are going to add a buff to 50+ XP, therefore they will buff CP gain.

I've never seen anyone in my life that deserves to be flamed more than you.

Ok so quote the source of that info that says " exp boosters can be used before and after level 50 and they stack with the other bonuses, sub exp, enlightenment etc etc " cause that's why I made this post. You would be the first person with that info if you have it. I don't think you actually do. So stop making statements about stuff you can back up with facts.

Again we don't agree on much, but here I am agreeing with you. All we do know is they said sub bonus and ring of Mara bonus will stack, nothing else has been clarified by an official source yet.

phtony06b14_ESO

I'm all for any help with leveling. You take 4 classes through VR content without all the exploits that existed early on & you'll tend to agree with me. I just hate that they nerfed leveling XP so they could sell XP potions.

Alphashado

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

They haven't made any secret about facilitating character progression through the cash store.
Paul Sage: " Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."

That seems pretty clear to me. You can debate whether a race to endgame is considered P2W or not, but since XP is directly tied to CP gain, then the direct answer to your question would be - Yes.

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

Sigh.. dude, please get your head on straight before you talk. XP boosters will work at 50+ just like they would at sub 50. A 10% boost is a flat buff to XP REGARDLESS what level you are. So obviously the boosters are going to add a buff to 50+ XP, therefore they will buff CP gain.

I've never seen anyone in my life that deserves to be flamed more than you.

Ok so quote the source of that info that says " exp boosters can be used before and after level 50 and they stack with the other bonuses, sub exp, enlightenment etc etc " cause that's why I made this post. You would be the first person with that info if you have it. I don't think you actually do. So stop making statements about stuff you can back up with facts.

My "statement" was in answer to the 2cnd part of your question where you asked if XP boosts can be used to gain CP. To which you gave this absolutely ludicrous statement:

Joejudas wrote: »

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

To which I explained that Boosters WILL work on CP.

In regards to the first part of your question, we just don't know yet. I was offering an opinion based on a direct quote from Paul Sage. [snip]

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

LtCrunch

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

They haven't made any secret about facilitating character progression through the cash store.
Paul Sage: " Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."

That seems pretty clear to me. You can debate whether a race to endgame is considered P2W or not, but since XP is directly tied to CP gain, then the direct answer to your question would be - Yes.

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

Sigh.. dude, please get your head on straight before you talk. XP boosters will work at 50+ just like they would at sub 50. A 10% boost is a flat buff to XP REGARDLESS what level you are. So obviously the boosters are going to add a buff to 50+ XP, therefore they will buff CP gain.

I've never seen anyone in my life that deserves to be flamed more than you.

Ok so quote the source of that info that says " exp boosters can be used before and after level 50 and they stack with the other bonuses, sub exp, enlightenment etc etc " cause that's why I made this post. You would be the first person with that info if you have it. I don't think you actually do. So stop making statements about stuff you can back up with facts.

My "statement" was in answer to the 2cnd part of your question where you asked if XP boosts can be used to gain CP. To which you gave this absolutely ludicrous statement:

Joejudas wrote: »

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

To which I explained that Boosters WILL work on CP.

In regards to the first part of your question, we just don't know yet. I was offering an opinion based on a direct quote from Paul Sage. If you don't want to read other people's opinions, then I strongly suggest that you smash your computer against the wall, never get on the internet again, then grab a Coke and a smile.

You're still speculating regarding CP gain, it's probably an accurate guess, but a guess nonetheless.

Alphashado

Brandalf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

They haven't made any secret about facilitating character progression through the cash store.
Paul Sage: " Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."

That seems pretty clear to me. You can debate whether a race to endgame is considered P2W or not, but since XP is directly tied to CP gain, then the direct answer to your question would be - Yes.

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

Sigh.. dude, please get your head on straight before you talk. XP boosters will work at 50+ just like they would at sub 50. A 10% boost is a flat buff to XP REGARDLESS what level you are. So obviously the boosters are going to add a buff to 50+ XP, therefore they will buff CP gain.

I've never seen anyone in my life that deserves to be flamed more than you.

Ok so quote the source of that info that says " exp boosters can be used before and after level 50 and they stack with the other bonuses, sub exp, enlightenment etc etc " cause that's why I made this post. You would be the first person with that info if you have it. I don't think you actually do. So stop making statements about stuff you can back up with facts.

My "statement" was in answer to the 2cnd part of your question where you asked if XP boosts can be used to gain CP. To which you gave this absolutely ludicrous statement:

Joejudas wrote: »

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

To which I explained that Boosters WILL work on CP.

In regards to the first part of your question, we just don't know yet. I was offering an opinion based on a direct quote from Paul Sage. If you don't want to read other people's opinions, then I strongly suggest that you smash your computer against the wall, never get on the internet again, then grab a Coke and a smile.

You're still speculating regarding CP gain, it's probably an accurate guess, but a guess nonetheless.

400K XP=1 CP. Therefore if you gain XP at a 10% boost, wouldn't you by default be gaining CP at a 10% increased rate? In regards to whether or not different boosters will stack, I have no idea, only opinion. But in regards to whether or not XP boosters will increase the rate at which you will gain CP.. I don't understand how anyone can say that it won't.

NewBlacksmurf

dharbert wrote: »

Yes, XP gain from subscription, rings of mara, and XP potions will stack. XP gained is CP gained. No, it's not pay to win. All it does is help you level up faster. It doesn't give you any kind of edge over another player.

+1

LtCrunch

Alphashado wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

They haven't made any secret about facilitating character progression through the cash store.
Paul Sage: " Obviously, we want to offer items people want and that there is a demand for. What we don’t want to do is only offer the best items – items which grant players clear numerical advantages over other players – on our store. When we talk about convenience items, what we generally mean is items which allow people to reduce the time it might take to acquire something they want. I think cosmetic items speak for themselves. We know there is a fine line, but there is also a line where we feel like if you buy something from the store it should have value."

That seems pretty clear to me. You can debate whether a race to endgame is considered P2W or not, but since XP is directly tied to CP gain, then the direct answer to your question would be - Yes.

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

Sigh.. dude, please get your head on straight before you talk. XP boosters will work at 50+ just like they would at sub 50. A 10% boost is a flat buff to XP REGARDLESS what level you are. So obviously the boosters are going to add a buff to 50+ XP, therefore they will buff CP gain.

I've never seen anyone in my life that deserves to be flamed more than you.

Ok so quote the source of that info that says " exp boosters can be used before and after level 50 and they stack with the other bonuses, sub exp, enlightenment etc etc " cause that's why I made this post. You would be the first person with that info if you have it. I don't think you actually do. So stop making statements about stuff you can back up with facts.

My "statement" was in answer to the 2cnd part of your question where you asked if XP boosts can be used to gain CP. To which you gave this absolutely ludicrous statement:

Joejudas wrote: »

Your incorrect...as per your usual. Exp gained to level 50 don't grant cp....after 50 it does. So it's entirely diffrent.

To which I explained that Boosters WILL work on CP.

In regards to the first part of your question, we just don't know yet. I was offering an opinion based on a direct quote from Paul Sage. If you don't want to read other people's opinions, then I strongly suggest that you smash your computer against the wall, never get on the internet again, then grab a Coke and a smile.

You're still speculating regarding CP gain, it's probably an accurate guess, but a guess nonetheless.

400K XP=1 CP. Therefore if you gain XP at a 10% boost, wouldn't you by default be gaining CP at a 10% increased rate? In regards to whether or not different boosters will stack, I have no idea, only opinion. But in regards to whether or not XP boosters will increase the rate at which you will gain CP.. I don't understand how anyone can say that it won't.

As I said in a previous post in this thread it would be extremely easy for ZOS to implement a filter that only factors in gained XP at a 1.0x and removes any additional multipliers applied. A subscriber would gain XP at a rate of 1.1x,but the filter would ensure the CP system des not factor in that additional 0.1x multiplier.

Tintinabula

if the pots xfer to CP and they stack with mara rings as well plus the new added xp bonus for plus..Ill gladly buy xp pots. I dont see how it would be a good financial move for ZOS to limit them from CP unless the potions being stacked gets us through CP at such a fast rate their entire prolonged subscription idea due to the CP system is negated by the potions.

Joejudas

Tintinabula wrote: »

if the pots xfer to CP and they stack with mara rings as well plus the new added xp bonus for plus..Ill gladly buy xp pots. I dont see how it would be a good financial move for ZOS to limit them from CP unless the potions being stacked gets us through CP at such a fast rate their entire prolonged subscription idea due to the CP system is negated by the potions.

i hate exp pots....but i dont see this going over well if they can be used for cp. If they stack with the sub exp bonus the non sub people will be pissed....if they dont stack with the sub exp bonus than why sub if you can get the bonus without subbing. They should rethink this idea with all this extra exp gains and just balance all the content to give us proper exp.