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Yah sorry for enjoying the game.
As some one els said. if you don't like it. way are you here?
Edited by kongkim on February 15, 2015 7:07PM6 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
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Yah sorry for enjoying the game.
As some one els said. if you don't like it. way are you here?
We are here because we love the game and hate how we are being treated. You do understand that right?
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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But seriously, while I agree that it would be nice of them to do this, the group of people that would qualify would have to be players that had a subscription on day one and subbed the entire time with absolutely NO lapse in subscription. One day... one MINUTE of a lapse and you are disqualified. No matter what the reason.
I think smaller, more subtle acknowledgements would be more appreciated. What they are claiming to be offering would be awesome if it were actually true. A mount that is ACTUALLY unique would be really cool.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
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IrishGirlGamer✭✭✭✭✭
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Yah sorry for enjoying the game.
As some one els said. if you don't like it. way are you here?
We are here because we love the game and hate how we are being treated. You do understand that right?
No, actually I don't. It doesn't sound like you love the game at all.
So what you're saying is you're in the midst of a terribly abusive relationship and that you're so utterly lacking in self-confidence that you simply can't bring yourself to get out of it. You can't make the other person change, so your response - rather than end the relationship and find something that does make you happy - is to be that one person at the party who stands in the corner bitching endlessly about how your partner treats you until everyone in the room avoids you by at least fifteen feet.
I really, really don't understand this. Cancel your sub and go. If you stay, you have only yourself to blame.
You do understand that, don't you?
Edited by IrishGirlGamer on February 15, 2015 11:03PMValar Morghulis.
Someday I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull. Arya Stark
You're going to die tomorrow, Lord Bolton. Sleep well. Sansa Stark
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I've been here since November 2013, you can check my profile. I've also already renewed my sub all the way until September of this year. Me and the core of my guild are some of the most loyal players in the entire community, we've all been here since beta and never let our subs lapse. Keep trying to validate your point of view though.Don't act like you were sacrificing to be a beta tester. You were dying to get in like everyone else! Why do you think so many companies sell access to betas now with preorders and early access? They could have charged people to do what you feel entitled to getting paid for.
As for post beta, if it was so bad you would not have stayed. You obviously must have been enjoying yourself.
You really do miss the point of how devs can lie to the player base just to keep money rolling in. Is this what the new generation of online gaming has become, where it is ok to deceive us.
Some how I feel the ones responding didn't play through the tough times and were yelling for game to go F2P/B2P and would hate to see the ones that were loyal to get a real thank you from this company. Not just some mount and crowns.NerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/163 -
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Yah sorry for enjoying the game.
As some one els said. if you don't like it. way are you here?
I like the game but I hate how Zenimax is mismanaging the game since launch or even before that.
Their service for the last 10 months was mediocre at best, the content delivery was awful and their "quality" when it comes to patching and balancing were not even better.Edited by Seraphyel on February 15, 2015 7:53PM4 -
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✭✭✭Ive enjoyed my time in the game. I feel like for $15 a month it was cheap (VERY cheap). So I didnt expect perfection. I did have fun. When you dont like the food you dont eat the whole plate then as for your money back. Thats basically what it sounds like here.
I dont feel I was lied to about anything. Never did they deny the rumors of the B2P switch. I know at first they said they wanted to go with a sub only game. For whatever reason that is no longer feasible.
So I have a choice to make. Does it bother me enough to stop playing? If so I am still not owed anything for the time I did enjoy the game. Its the same as renting a nice house. The landlord promises something but then plans change. Say for example you had a month to month lease and he lost his job needs his home back. Well you dont get back rent from the day you moved in. You knew it was a month to month deal.
Anyways no way in hell ZOS is going to start handing out lifetime plus memberships.4 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭IrishGirlGamer wrote: »
Yah sorry for enjoying the game.
As some one els said. if you don't like it. way are you here?
We are here because we love the game and hate how we are being treated. You do understand that right?
No, actually I don't. It doesn't sound like you love the game at all.
So what you're saying is you're in the midst of a terribly abusive relationship and that you're so utterly lacking in self-confidence that you simply can't bring yourself to get out of it. You can't make the other person change, so your response - rather than end the relationship and find something that does make you happy - is to be that one person at the party who stands in the corner bitching endlessly about how your partner treats you until everyone in the room avoids you by at least fifteen feet.
No, you are correct. I really, really don't understand this. Cancel your sub and go. If you stay, you have only yourself to blame.
You do understand that, don't you?
LOL sorry if you can't understand lying to customers is wrong, no matter what type of business it is. Sad to see them go down the same type of rabbit hole SOE went. We all know what has happened to them. Sad really!
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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✭LOL @ this thread^^
Btw i'm happy to have played and payed.
When the Tamriel unlimited lunch i will be able to buy all the items in the crown store if i want so i'm actually happy how it is.
I dont think that cryng will change something and i do want to play for another year or more.
Giving free eso + to the 70% of the playerbase is a little too much and on the long run will kill the game.
Deal with it!Signature0 -
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✭✭✭IrishGirlGamer wrote: »
Yah sorry for enjoying the game.
As some one els said. if you don't like it. way are you here?
We are here because we love the game and hate how we are being treated. You do understand that right?
No, actually I don't. It doesn't sound like you love the game at all.
So what you're saying is you're in the midst of a terribly abusive relationship and that you're so utterly lacking in self-confidence that you simply can't bring yourself to get out of it. You can't make the other person change, so your response - rather than end the relationship and find something that does make you happy - is to be that one person at the party who stands in the corner bitching endlessly about how your partner treats you until everyone in the room avoids you by at least fifteen feet.
No, you are correct. I really, really don't understand this. Cancel your sub and go. If you stay, you have only yourself to blame.
You do understand that, don't you?
LOL sorry if you can't understand lying to customers is wrong, no matter what type of business it is. Sad to see them go down the same type of rabbit hole SOE went. We all know what has happened to them. Sad really!
When did ZOS lie to you?3 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IrishGirlGamer wrote: »
Yah sorry for enjoying the game.
As some one els said. if you don't like it. way are you here?
We are here because we love the game and hate how we are being treated. You do understand that right?
No, actually I don't. It doesn't sound like you love the game at all.
So what you're saying is you're in the midst of a terribly abusive relationship and that you're so utterly lacking in self-confidence that you simply can't bring yourself to get out of it. You can't make the other person change, so your response - rather than end the relationship and find something that does make you happy - is to be that one person at the party who stands in the corner bitching endlessly about how your partner treats you until everyone in the room avoids you by at least fifteen feet.
No, you are correct. I really, really don't understand this. Cancel your sub and go. If you stay, you have only yourself to blame.
You do understand that, don't you?
LOL sorry if you can't understand lying to customers is wrong, no matter what type of business it is. Sad to see them go down the same type of rabbit hole SOE went. We all know what has happened to them. Sad really!
When did ZOS lie to you?
LOL you really have to ask that. WOW!
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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LtCrunch✭✭✭✭✭
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Nice non-answer.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IrishGirlGamer wrote: »
Yah sorry for enjoying the game.
As some one els said. if you don't like it. way are you here?
We are here because we love the game and hate how we are being treated. You do understand that right?
No, actually I don't. It doesn't sound like you love the game at all.
So what you're saying is you're in the midst of a terribly abusive relationship and that you're so utterly lacking in self-confidence that you simply can't bring yourself to get out of it. You can't make the other person change, so your response - rather than end the relationship and find something that does make you happy - is to be that one person at the party who stands in the corner bitching endlessly about how your partner treats you until everyone in the room avoids you by at least fifteen feet.
No, you are correct. I really, really don't understand this. Cancel your sub and go. If you stay, you have only yourself to blame.
You do understand that, don't you?
LOL sorry if you can't understand lying to customers is wrong, no matter what type of business it is. Sad to see them go down the same type of rabbit hole SOE went. We all know what has happened to them. Sad really!
When did ZOS lie to you?
LOL you really have to ask that. WOW!
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✭Free mounts and crowns are in every way beneficial to Zenimax and cost them absolutely nothing. When new players come into the game and see our mounts, see our pets, our costumes, and other nonsense that we spend our loyalty crowns on, those new players will want some too.
We're going to be walking billboards for spending real money on fluff. Wow, thanks Zenimax, thanks for that generous "reward" you've given to your loyalist of customers, right after you pull the rug out from under them.
The worst part, is a new mount and costume are right up my alley. But, the way in which they're being delivered feels like being kicked while I'm down. I feel like every time I mount my Senche I'm going to be reminded of how the game went B2P and the crown store dominates future development. It's like driving a cool car, that some millionaire gave you in exchange for a night with your.... you get the picture.[DC/NA]2 -
BigM✭✭✭✭✭
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Nice non-answer.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IrishGirlGamer wrote: »
Yah sorry for enjoying the game.
As some one els said. if you don't like it. way are you here?
We are here because we love the game and hate how we are being treated. You do understand that right?
No, actually I don't. It doesn't sound like you love the game at all.
So what you're saying is you're in the midst of a terribly abusive relationship and that you're so utterly lacking in self-confidence that you simply can't bring yourself to get out of it. You can't make the other person change, so your response - rather than end the relationship and find something that does make you happy - is to be that one person at the party who stands in the corner bitching endlessly about how your partner treats you until everyone in the room avoids you by at least fifteen feet.
No, you are correct. I really, really don't understand this. Cancel your sub and go. If you stay, you have only yourself to blame.
You do understand that, don't you?
LOL sorry if you can't understand lying to customers is wrong, no matter what type of business it is. Sad to see them go down the same type of rabbit hole SOE went. We all know what has happened to them. Sad really!
When did ZOS lie to you?
LOL you really have to ask that. WOW!
Not at all it has been answered a number of times and to look at how many comments and threads you have read/made on here you can't tell me you never read it. LOL I was once like you a fanboi that can't see the problems with how this company has treated us, but I finally woke up. But then again I already said a number of times I love the game.
Going back in game, I play more than I comment in the forums, unlike you which seems to be the game you are playing.
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Nice non-answer.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »IrishGirlGamer wrote: »
Yah sorry for enjoying the game.
As some one els said. if you don't like it. way are you here?
We are here because we love the game and hate how we are being treated. You do understand that right?
No, actually I don't. It doesn't sound like you love the game at all.
So what you're saying is you're in the midst of a terribly abusive relationship and that you're so utterly lacking in self-confidence that you simply can't bring yourself to get out of it. You can't make the other person change, so your response - rather than end the relationship and find something that does make you happy - is to be that one person at the party who stands in the corner bitching endlessly about how your partner treats you until everyone in the room avoids you by at least fifteen feet.
No, you are correct. I really, really don't understand this. Cancel your sub and go. If you stay, you have only yourself to blame.
You do understand that, don't you?
LOL sorry if you can't understand lying to customers is wrong, no matter what type of business it is. Sad to see them go down the same type of rabbit hole SOE went. We all know what has happened to them. Sad really!
When did ZOS lie to you?
LOL you really have to ask that. WOW!
Not at all it has been answered a number of times and to look at how many comments and threads you have read/made on here you can't tell me you never read it. LOL I was once like you a fanboi that can't see the problems with how this company has treated us, but I finally woke up. But then again I already said a number of times I love the game.
Going back in game, I play more than I comment in the forums, unlike you which seems to be the game you are playing.
Ill ask again when did ZOS lie to you? Can you even name one instance where they lied to you?1 -
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✭✭Its not a conspiracy guys, ZOS is doing this to make money, period. That is not a bad thing. There are people there who happen to love what they do but it is still a job to them and they need to make decisions that lead to profitability..
So again, there is no conspiracy. ZOS will continue to take ESO in the direction they believe to be most profitable which they will balance against providing a fun gaming experience for the LARGEST possible audience.
Keep the above two statements in mind whenever you hear anyone from ZOS saying anything and there will no longer be any mystery whatsoever.I AM UPDATING MY PRIVACY POLICY
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
∽∽∽ 2 years of Elder Scrolls Online ∼∼∼
"Give us money" = Box sales & monthly sub fees,
"moar!" = £10 palomino horse,
"MOAR!" = Switch to B2P, launch cash shop,
"MOAR!!" = Charge for DLC that subs had already paid for,
"MOAR!!!" = Experience scrolls and riding lessons,
"MOARR!!!" = Vampire/werewolf bites,
"MOAARRR!!!" = CS exclusive motifs,
"MOOAARRR!!!" = Crown crates,
"MOOOAAARRR!!!" = 'Chapter's' bought separately from ESO+,
"MOOOOAAAARRRR!!!!" = ???
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Pausekey✭✭✭As frustrated as I am with the game in its current state I would like it to succeed, so no, I do not think they should give away life-time subs.1
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Only for existing lifetime members, which I was, not everyone. Ps, if real closed beta testers couldn't get a simple title like wanted, and still would have been great, good luck on this thread
. -First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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Surragard✭✭✭✭You had me until you mentioned a free lifetime sub. If this had been another thread to push for a lifetime sub option (i.e. we buy it) I would be right behind you, minus the fact I suspect you're just trolling anywayI don't always drink Skooma, but when I do I go to the Southwall Corner Club. May you walk on warm sands my friends.2 -
Seraphyel✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Ill ask again when did ZOS lie to you? Can you even name one instance where they lied to you?
You are funny.
Matt Firor on ESO before launch:
The Elder Scrolls games are all about allowing the player to go where they want, be who they want, and do what they want. We feel that putting pay gates between the player and content at any point in game ruins that feeling of freedom, and just having one small monthly fee for 100% access to the game fits the IP and the game much better than a system where you have to pay for features and access as you play. The Elder Scrolls Online was designed and developed to be a premium experience: hundreds of hours of gameplay, tons of depth and features, professional customer support - and a commitment to have ongoing content at regular intervals after launch. This type of experience is best paired with a one-time fee per month, as opposed to many smaller payments that would probably add up to more than $14.99/month any way.
And it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days. The fact that the word "monetized" exists points to the heart of the issue for us: We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all.
Source: http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/the-elder-scrolls-online/artikel/the_elder_scrolls_online,44578,3026853.html
Pete Hines on ESO before launch:
"We feel pretty strongly about the support we're going to have for the game and what you're going to get for those dollars," he said when asked why The Elder Scrolls Online was not pursuing a free-to-play model. "We're also very confident in our ability to support it with content. And not content of the magnitude of, it's a new month, here's a new sword or here's a funny hat--but content that is real and significant and it feels like regular and consistent DLC releases."
You want more lies?
Get serious. Zenimax lied to us in MANY ways - that's a fact. So stop questioning it, I can give you a dozen other quotes.5 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Ill ask again when did ZOS lie to you? Can you even name one instance where they lied to you?
You are funny.
Matt Firor on ESO before launch:
The Elder Scrolls games are all about allowing the player to go where they want, be who they want, and do what they want. We feel that putting pay gates between the player and content at any point in game ruins that feeling of freedom, and just having one small monthly fee for 100% access to the game fits the IP and the game much better than a system where you have to pay for features and access as you play. The Elder Scrolls Online was designed and developed to be a premium experience: hundreds of hours of gameplay, tons of depth and features, professional customer support - and a commitment to have ongoing content at regular intervals after launch. This type of experience is best paired with a one-time fee per month, as opposed to many smaller payments that would probably add up to more than $14.99/month any way.
And it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days. The fact that the word "monetized" exists points to the heart of the issue for us: We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all.
Source: http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/the-elder-scrolls-online/artikel/the_elder_scrolls_online,44578,3026853.html
Pete Hines on ESO before launch:
"We feel pretty strongly about the support we're going to have for the game and what you're going to get for those dollars," he said when asked why The Elder Scrolls Online was not pursuing a free-to-play model. "We're also very confident in our ability to support it with content. And not content of the magnitude of, it's a new month, here's a new sword or here's a funny hat--but content that is real and significant and it feels like regular and consistent DLC releases."
You want more lies?
Get serious. Zenimax lied to us in MANY ways - that's a fact. So stop questioning it, I can give you a dozen other quotes.
Claiming ZOS lied about the above points paints it as malicious, which it obviously isn't. Sometimes things change and you can't realistically expect anyone to have the foresight to see the types of things that lead to a conversion like this months in advance. I still maintain that this conversion is 100% to blame on Microsoft and their refusal to waive the XBL fees for ESO subscribers. From my perspective ESO has always had a healthy and active community.
If you still enjoy the game or support ZOS then continue to play the game and support them. If you don't then what are you doing here anymore? You have the free will to leave at any point if you don't agree with the direction the game or it's payment model are going.
Edited by LtCrunch on February 16, 2015 9:44AMNerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/164 -
Solanum✭✭✭Hello everyone, lovely read this thread, especially when people start resorting to the term fanboi.
I've been playing from as early as possible, invested quite a bit of time in this game. I made the horribly bad choice to go as a fullplate wearing Nord Nightblade, stamina based, Vampire.
And it has been a rough ride, no doubt, aside from the groundskeeper ignoring a small army of players, and the two gates with a five minute reset (and several trolls, that kept running in at 4 minutes and 30 seconds)
The balance in this game was abysmal. Which can be expected for a Vanilla game, it was like this in WoW, and before that in early Ultima Online.
But the game has been taking steps in the right direction, even though a bit slow to my liking, I am noticing vast improvements.
I think the loyalty reward, which offers less crowns then a single month of + subscription lacks. That said, no-one forced us to stay and play, it was our choice.
Also take into consideration, when this game goes b2p, we'll stand there, VR14, 70 championpoints, and ready to enjoy a game better balanced and with more content then we had before.
I am not saying I'm perfectly happy, or that I do not feel like they've been holding back content for the b2p release. But some people exaggerate quite a bit.3 -
Seraphyel✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Ill ask again when did ZOS lie to you? Can you even name one instance where they lied to you?
You are funny.
Matt Firor on ESO before launch:
The Elder Scrolls games are all about allowing the player to go where they want, be who they want, and do what they want. We feel that putting pay gates between the player and content at any point in game ruins that feeling of freedom, and just having one small monthly fee for 100% access to the game fits the IP and the game much better than a system where you have to pay for features and access as you play. The Elder Scrolls Online was designed and developed to be a premium experience: hundreds of hours of gameplay, tons of depth and features, professional customer support - and a commitment to have ongoing content at regular intervals after launch. This type of experience is best paired with a one-time fee per month, as opposed to many smaller payments that would probably add up to more than $14.99/month any way.
And it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days. The fact that the word "monetized" exists points to the heart of the issue for us: We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all.
Source: http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/the-elder-scrolls-online/artikel/the_elder_scrolls_online,44578,3026853.html
Pete Hines on ESO before launch:
"We feel pretty strongly about the support we're going to have for the game and what you're going to get for those dollars," he said when asked why The Elder Scrolls Online was not pursuing a free-to-play model. "We're also very confident in our ability to support it with content. And not content of the magnitude of, it's a new month, here's a new sword or here's a funny hat--but content that is real and significant and it feels like regular and consistent DLC releases."
You want more lies?
Get serious. Zenimax lied to us in MANY ways - that's a fact. So stop questioning it, I can give you a dozen other quotes.
Claiming ZOS lied about the above points paints it as malicious, which it obviously isn't. Sometimes things change and you can't realistically expect anyone to have the foresight to see the types of things that lead to a conversion like this months in advance. I still maintain that this conversion is 100% to blame on Microsoft and their refusal to waive the XBL fees for ESO subscribers. From my perspective ESO has always had a healthy and active community.
If you still enjoy the game or support ZOS then continue to play the game and support them. If you don't then what are you doing here anymore? You have the free will to leave at any point if you don't agree with the direction the game or it's payment model are going.
Yes, yes, yes.
Blame Microsoft because of ESOs failure on the PC and Zenimax misleaded expectations. Get real and stop being delusional. ESO was everything but a huge success in its first year.
Those quotes were just examples, there are many others made after the release about similar topics.
I enjoy ESO, as I said, but I totally judge Zenimax for making just a mediocre ES-MMORPG.Edited by Seraphyel on February 16, 2015 10:00AM4 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Ill ask again when did ZOS lie to you? Can you even name one instance where they lied to you?
You are funny.
Matt Firor on ESO before launch:
The Elder Scrolls games are all about allowing the player to go where they want, be who they want, and do what they want. We feel that putting pay gates between the player and content at any point in game ruins that feeling of freedom, and just having one small monthly fee for 100% access to the game fits the IP and the game much better than a system where you have to pay for features and access as you play. The Elder Scrolls Online was designed and developed to be a premium experience: hundreds of hours of gameplay, tons of depth and features, professional customer support - and a commitment to have ongoing content at regular intervals after launch. This type of experience is best paired with a one-time fee per month, as opposed to many smaller payments that would probably add up to more than $14.99/month any way.
And it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days. The fact that the word "monetized" exists points to the heart of the issue for us: We don't want the player to worry about which parts of the game to pay for - with our system, they get it all.
Source: http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/the-elder-scrolls-online/artikel/the_elder_scrolls_online,44578,3026853.html
Pete Hines on ESO before launch:
"We feel pretty strongly about the support we're going to have for the game and what you're going to get for those dollars," he said when asked why The Elder Scrolls Online was not pursuing a free-to-play model. "We're also very confident in our ability to support it with content. And not content of the magnitude of, it's a new month, here's a new sword or here's a funny hat--but content that is real and significant and it feels like regular and consistent DLC releases."
You want more lies?
Get serious. Zenimax lied to us in MANY ways - that's a fact. So stop questioning it, I can give you a dozen other quotes.
Claiming ZOS lied about the above points paints it as malicious, which it obviously isn't. Sometimes things change and you can't realistically expect anyone to have the foresight to see the types of things that lead to a conversion like this months in advance. I still maintain that this conversion is 100% to blame on Microsoft and their refusal to waive the XBL fees for ESO subscribers. From my perspective ESO has always had a healthy and active community.
If you still enjoy the game or support ZOS then continue to play the game and support them. If you don't then what are you doing here anymore? You have the free will to leave at any point if you don't agree with the direction the game or it's payment model are going.
Yes, yes, yes.
Blame Microsoft because of ESOs failure on the PC and Zenimax misleaded expectations. Get real and stop being delusional. ESO was everything but a huge success in its first year.
Those quotes were just examples, there are many others made after the release about similar topics.
I enjoy ESO, as I said, but I totally judge Zenimax for making just a mediocre ES-MMORPG.
I have never seen ESO as a failure, it's a nice game and won't compete with WoW numbers, but it doesn't have to. B2P came as a massive shock to me and my guildmates. Largely because we didn't give much thought to the console release. Once we looked at everything we all came to the same conclusion: Microsft's refusal to waive XBL fees forced Bethesda Softworks and ZOS' hands. If you don't come to the same conclusions we do, that's your prerogative. That however doesn't give the right to belittle others outlook on the situation, no matter how much you may disagree.
Do you realize how contradictory your bolded statement is? You must not enjoy the game much if you think it's just mediocre.
Edited by LtCrunch on February 16, 2015 10:11AMNerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/163 -
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That's partially correct, Microsoft never stated publicly that they would waive their XBL fees for ESO subscribers; but they also never outright said it wouldn't happen. Then the console launch got delayed for 6 months initially(per this official post).
My speculation is that talks between Bethesda Softworks and Microsoft broke down completely sometime within that initial 6 month period and that ultimately pushed the B2P conversion into motion and delayed the console launch for another 6 months while they worked out details and started on implementing the new B2P systems.
Edited by LtCrunch on February 16, 2015 10:49AMNerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/160 -
ArconSeptim✭✭✭✭Only thing this company can give us beta testers/customers/live game beta testers from day 1 is a lifetime sub to the game. I love Elder Scrolls Online but hate how you are treating us that had faith in you guys. You lied manipulated us and then threw us under the bus with how the game is going forward.
We deserve more than a mount and crowns. Only way you can show us you appreciated the testing we done for you is give us free lifetime subs.
Sad really how majority of us that put up with everything from bots to quests that wouldn't advance and lied too are being treated. You know the loyal ones that believed everything you said until you threw us under the bus.
Does anyone else think when consoles release they will end up with a lot of problems and complaints? ZoS road map so far would answer that with a big Heck yeah!
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✭LOL You didn't need to post the lies of ZoS, just trolls asking questions they already know answer too. At times when I look at majority of these people must work for ZoS when you look at how many posts they made on here. They sure aren't playing the game, also don't believe them when they say well am at work. Yeah they may be at work but work could be ZoS. “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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✭Meh, I'm still miffed that the main story forces solo-play, but I don't fell like rage-quitting over it.
As is, don't think wife and I will maintain our subs, since we can still continue playing without them.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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