Should Alliance Rank Be Account Wide? (Or some variation of this)

Septimus_Magna

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Yes, but give the Alliance War ranks and skill points when you reach VR14 with an alt from the same alliance.

Asgari

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Seems to me that there is an overwhelming force pushing for Yes and or Some variation of Yes. Can we get a @ZOS comment on this topic?


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_PaulSage

Tavore1138

No

Why not just save a lot of time for everyone and when you log in for the very first time you simply get a message saying 'Congratulations you have won ESO'?

No further need to play, go about your business, job done.

Draxys

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Kas wrote: »

Of course, assault/support/emp skilllines shouldn't be. You have to work for a new character PvE-wise and so you should have to PvE-wise.

I like this idea. Overall rank: account wide... advancement of Alliance skill lines: character based

ShadoPanauin

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Gyudan wrote: »

thelordoffelines wrote: »

I have a question about this..
If my main is say alliance rank 30 and I make an alt that also has alliance rank 30... Does he come out with 30 free skill points?

- An account-wide AP pool that would work towards the Alliance War ranks and grant access to titles/dyes and abilities.

This. This would be amazing.

Perphection

Yes, but only with same faction characters

They most definitely should be, so long as you're on the same faction.

Not having account wide Alliance Ranks has kept me from playing/trying different characters that I would really like to play.

Panda244

Yes, but only with same faction characters

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Why not just save a lot of time for everyone and when you log in for the very first time you simply get a message saying 'Congratulations you have won ESO'?

No further need to play, go about your business, job done.

Also discourages switching alliances, why roll a DC toon when you can just max out his rank on your AD toon?

azoriangaming

No

No the achievement feel of it all would disappear

Chesimac

Yes

Perichor wrote: »

work and time put into pvp should be accounted for no matter what faction

This exactly. At the moment, this system discourages variety in AvA, with there being little to no incentive for pvpers to play a different faction or roll alts. There should obviously be checks though, Gyudan's comment makes great sense

Docmandu

No

Nope.. especially not since we have a non-vet campaign.. but even if that was not the case, it's still a hell no for me.

(what's next? buying AR in the Crown Store? for the PvE players that want the PvP skills but don't want to PvP? And undaunted skill via Crown Store for us PvP players that don't want to PvE dungeons.. sigh)

Keron

Other

Make it count accountwide (no preference if restricted by faction or not, personally) in regards to unlocking Alliance War skills, but the keep rank and skill points char-based.

Meaning: once you have one char (or one char per faction) at rank 24, unlock the skill line for all chars. But each char still has his own rank displayed and needs to earn every skillpoint by himself.

SafiyerAmitora

Yes

SafiyerAmitora wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

The issue is that after leveling PVP for hours a day, months at a time, just to get to level 24 on ONE character, some of the skills are useless for that character and would be amazing on another alt. For example, I have a Sorc PVP rank 24. Unfortunately, I'm running a magicka build, so Vigor is useless for me. However, I would LOVE to have Vigor on my Nightblade alt. Do I really need to grind PVP for hours a day months at a time just to get one skill on an alt? I've already done the work on my main. Do I really need to do it all over again on an alt?

You need 8 million AP to get rank 24. If you look on the Thornblade leaderboards, the top 50 players per faction make 2 million AP a month. That means that a TOP 50 player will have to play hardcore for four months before getting these skills. Now do you want to roll an alt and do it all over again? No way.

Try that for 8 chars. 8*4=32 months of hardcore PvP. And think about what it would take to get them all to rank 50. That's over 7 YEARS of hardcore PvP. It'd be nice to get all 8 of mine to rank 50, but hardcore PvP for 7+ years just to do that just isn't my thing. Now if PvP rank was an account-wide thing, it'd be much more manageable.

Like I said in a different thread, 7+ years to get them all to 50 would suck. My head would explode.

pppontus

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Seems to me that there is an overwhelming force pushing for Yes and or Some variation of Yes. Can we get a @ZOS comment on this topic?


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_PaulSage

Pleeeeease, would like a comment on this. As someone who

1. regularly switches between characters depending on what the group needs
2. (sadly) has a real life and can't play 10 hours a day

Grinding alliance ranks on 5 (soon 6..) max level characters is a nightmare

I don't mind if it activates only at VR14, or if there are some other funny restrictions to prevent FOTM rerolling or whatever.. I just want to lessen the grind a little bit.. already have CP to deal with y'know.

I wouldn't even mind if the requirements for the skill line advancement was made far higher either (even though I realise the people playing only one character might get mad then so..), I just don't want my progression to be heavily punished by having multiple characters.

Aenlir

Yes, but only with same faction characters

They really should do this, it really makes playing alts in cyrodiil frustrating. Even though it may be fun to experience another class you are going to miss out on lots of ap that could go towards unlocking the skills and passives. This change alone would get me more interested in pvp if I felt like I could play my different characters and still progress.

IcyDeadPeople

No

I'm not in favor of this. It's hard work and takes a long time to get high alliance rank with multiple characters, as it should be.

If you really want Vigor and Combat Frenzy on your alt, you need to put in the hours actually helping your faction with that character.

johndawntb14_ESO

No

Personally I've been using the skill points from AvA ranks on my low level toons and would prefer that those don't get locked away until a much higher level (has been suggested a few times).
If there is a way to combine ranks without taking away the skill points then I'd be for it. Until then though I'm willing to grind.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Other

Why?

danno8

Yes, but only with same faction characters

It's going to happen eventually anyway. As the PvP gets stale and people migrate to newer games, the devs will realize that having a gigantic hurdle like Alliance rank to those who may be interested in rolling an alt and PvPing with a different character is a bad idea.

They did it in GW2, ESO will follow suit for the same reasons.

Rook_Master

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Absolutely yes.

Thinking about the AP grind discourages people from playing alts. The AP grind is so long anyway, that most people will never come close to completing it with one character, nevermind any alts.

Most people above rank 40 abused AP exploits early on anyways (BRK quest, anyone?)

Please make it reasonable for the people that didn't exploit.

Xeniph

Yes

ZOS already commented on one of their live streams, to this basic question.

Gina's response was ( Not verbatim)

The alliance skill war is meant to take a long time, it's intentional. We have no plans on changing the way this works at this time.

Something like that anyway. It was in response to a similar question during the Ask/Answer segment.

Chesimac

Yes

BUMP
srsly tho, was this thought about at all with 1.7 incoming? I don't care about the skills, I just want title for my time spent on all my characters

Ghostbane

Yes, but only with same faction characters

The Alliance Skill War line and Alliance account rank could easily be separate. I mean, it is fundamentally a UI update. Naturally you would need to level AW skills per character, just like any other skill line. Hovering over the progress bar would show the total AP required for the next rank, like books, or deadra for Mages + Fighters guilds etc Decoupling this from its loose relationship, frees up the actual Rank title to be global on the account.

mcurley

No

No thanks. Heros are fighting the war, not accounts.

My sissyboy PvE sorc does not deserve my badass PvP NB's rank.

bosmern_ESO

Yes, but only with same faction characters

I would really appreciate it to be Faction wide. I have 3 V14s all rank 20+, I feel like I have to play my Templar because its my highest level and if I played one of my other 2 characters Its like I'm losing progress.

The reason why it should be faction specific is because why should you be a General on both AD and EP, just no.

bosmern_ESO

Yes, but only with same faction characters

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Alliance ranks are your progression in Cyrodiil and for alot of people you progression after hitting max level. Asking this to be account wide is no different then asking for all your characters to be teh same as your highest level. your basically saying well i just hit V3 with my sorc, now i expect the system to bump my NB and DK to V3. the whole point of progression is to build and learn a character, not get eveything else for free.

Right now when you see an Alliance Ranks 30 sorc, that means that person put in the time to learn and get that good with THAT character. If you add cross account alliance ranks..... Alliance ranks wont mean much. you will see a an Alliance Rank 30 NB and just say well he is probably AR 30 because he PVPs mainly with a DK

How can you compare the grinding of one week to a practically endless one?

btw: Alliance rank is hardly an indicator for skill in the current system.

Alliance Ranks are still character / class progressions, you are unlocking alliance skills and passives. Do you really think its a good idea to let your level 10 have all those things like caltraps, warhorn, longer range, ect in the non vet campaign just because you have a V14 that is AR 40? How would that be fair to the new players in the non vet campaign

They're making Vigor (which is an amazing heal) unlocked at Assualt rank 10, its not like it even matters other then the passives. ZoS can easily make Assualt/support be character bound, so your rank would just show how much you've pvped and how experienced you are.

Chesimac

Yes

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Alliance ranks are your progression in Cyrodiil and for alot of people you progression after hitting max level. Asking this to be account wide is no different then asking for all your characters to be teh same as your highest level. your basically saying well i just hit V3 with my sorc, now i expect the system to bump my NB and DK to V3. the whole point of progression is to build and learn a character, not get eveything else for free.

Right now when you see an Alliance Ranks 30 sorc, that means that person put in the time to learn and get that good with THAT character. If you add cross account alliance ranks..... Alliance ranks wont mean much. you will see a an Alliance Rank 30 NB and just say well he is probably AR 30 because he PVPs mainly with a DK

How can you compare the grinding of one week to a practically endless one?

btw: Alliance rank is hardly an indicator for skill in the current system.

Alliance Ranks are still character / class progressions, you are unlocking alliance skills and passives. Do you really think its a good idea to let your level 10 have all those things like caltraps, warhorn, longer range, ect in the non vet campaign just because you have a V14 that is AR 40? How would that be fair to the new players in the non vet campaign

They're making Vigor (which is an amazing heal) unlocked at Assualt rank 10, its not like it even matters other then the passives. ZoS can easily make Assualt/support be character bound, so your rank would just show how much you've pvped and how experienced you are.

Exactly

Suru

Yes

People who have never rerolled wouldnt know, should be all the hardwork you've spent in PVP, two centurions on different factions. PvP is pvp, this is not a faction locked game where you stay on faction, you can go where you please so should your rank.