Some Guilds So Racist

NiobiuMmm

Ok i know they have right. But you are a new player have a lot of free time spending game. But someone refuse just for cant speak their language. It is just boring me or im not alone. Just not think this for annoying people who doing this. Im just wondering is that necessary?

Jeremy

Not sure this is racism you are describing. Sounds more like languagism.

dharbert

Find a guild that speaks your language. Problem solved. I'm sure as hell not going to learn Cantonese just so a guildy can run AA.

cyqa

You could try posting in the Guild Headquarters forum, stating your server/faction and that you're looking for a guild that speaks your language.

NiobiuMmm

@Jeremy‌ ok you are right but english is worldwide language right? they dont know english and want to know their own language. By the way english not my main laguage but i know enough to contact someone. I think its can not to refuse someone good and loyal.

NiobiuMmm

@cyqa‌ Mate its not which guild want to join its general issue i think.

Nestor

If someone can type out something I understand in Chat (in English) I don't care where they come from or what language is their main language. As long as they are here to have fun in the game. I think most people are like that too.

However it is easy to see the Jerks in the game as they tend to be attention hounds. The nice people, which is most of them, just tend go about their business and won't bother you, but will respond if you ask them a question.

derpsticks

If someone in particular is being racist, you should probably report them in game to the GMs.

If the entire guild is having communication problems with you due to a language barrier, then you should either find a more understanding guild or you'll have to meet your current guild members half way and find something that works for the both of you.

I have never had a problem or even seen anyone be this way in game to the extent that you are describing. I think this community is typically more mature than others and I expect better of everyone here because of that. Hopefully you will be able to find some good people here.

Roechacca

I don't care if your main language is English . I know lots of great English speaking players and I don't pay attention to them either . Throwing the race card out too early and I won't pay attention to you either . Be cool and confident and I'll run in a guild with you even if I can't always understand what you're saying .

NiobiuMmm

@Nestor‌ I didnt mean they are bad people but language is not enough to refuse someone i think. In game a lot of nice people around. If they just say you are not good its ok. In pve or pvp english commands are not so difficult.

Rev Rielle

NiobiuMmm wrote: »

@cyqa‌ Mate its not which guild want to join its general issue i think.

Yes, the OP (knowingly or not) is touching on a wider issue of an increasing number of guilds (and players themselves) seemingly becoming less tolerant of other play-styles outside of their own niche, or what they perceive to be 'accepted', or 'needed' for success in-game these days.

Of course, in many instances there is nothing wrong with that, and it's no mean thing to want to play and surround oneself with like-minded players. However some can take it too far and outright be rude to those that don't conform to their 'ideals' and therein lies the problem. I would like to think it is the minority that is like this though and most are understanding, mature and intelligent enough to adapt to a variety of situations and other players.

Jeremy

NiobiuMmm wrote: »

@Jeremy‌ ok you are right but english is worldwide language right? they dont know english and want to know their own language. By the way english not my main laguage but i know enough to contact someone. I think its can not to refuse someone good and loyal.

Your English is good enough for me to understand you. I can tell it's not your first language, but it's a hell of a lot better than what I can write in another language.

Anyway: I agree with you that being good and loyal are more valuable qualities than being able to type English effectively. So I'm not defending their decision to refuse you based on your English. I was just pointing out it wasn't really an example of racism.

NiobiuMmm

@Jeremy‌ Not real racism but someone do this in mmorpg it can be called a racism because we are playing game.You dont know actually what people look like in real life. Maybe we can just say this in game racism right? You write someone can i accept myself to joing your guild and for example the answer is "Are you german?" you say no and he say sorry.This is racism i think.

Roechacca

NiobiuMmm wrote: »

@Jeremy‌ Not real racism but someone do this in mmorpg it can be called a racism because we are playing game.You dont know actually what people look like in real life. Maybe we can just say this in game racism right? You write someone can i accept myself to joing your guild and for example the answer is "Are you german?" you say no and he say sorry.This is racism i think.

I was told by a guild in SWTOR that I had to speak French to join . I said "Croissant" and they got mad and said no , go away . Did I feel this was racist ? No . Hilarious , yes . Moved on .

NiobiuMmm

Im playing swtor too i know it happened there too but not a lot then here i think.First time in swtor people dont talk me because of my character is so lame but in the end i spend a lot of time and money and have billions you know cosmetic items all around you people show you respect but in here i dont know. I dont think they opinions are changed.

Nestor

NiobiuMmm wrote: »

@Nestor‌ I didnt mean they are bad people but language is not enough to refuse someone i think. In game a lot of nice people around. If they just say you are not good its ok. In pve or pvp english commands are not so difficult.

If you play on the NA Server, then you can come join our guild, Lone Wolf Help. Send me a message in game to @Nestor and I can get you invited.

ArcanusMagus

So, what makes you think that any guild has to do anything to meet your demands?

Your cultural insensitivity to English-speakers is deeply offensive to me and I will dedicate the next few minutes to finding an organization that will write a strongly-worded letter to whomever can be found that cares.

NiobiuMmm

@Nestor‌ Thanks for that mate but im in Eu server but im really glad for your invitation.

NiobiuMmm

@ArcanusMagus‌ you right in game a lot of guild can be select but in this tread i just wondering why people do something like that i just want understand the point maybe they re wrong maybe i am but we all see people what thinks about that.

Jeremy

NiobiuMmm wrote: »

@Jeremy‌ Not real racism but someone do this in mmorpg it can be called a racism because we are playing game.You dont know actually what people look like in real life. Maybe we can just say this in game racism right? You write someone can i accept myself to joing your guild and for example the answer is "Are you german?" you say no and he say sorry.This is racism i think.

If someone doesn't let you join their guild because your German and they have issues with German people then that would be racism.

But that's not the same as not letting you join their guild because you can't speak their language.

NiobiuMmm

@Jeremy‌ Im not German they are and they dont ask my country they just care about im german or not.

Dughm

Go look up the definition of racism then get back with us

NiobiuMmm

@Dughm‌ You dont need to be offensive all people understand what am i talking about.

dharbert

It's not an issue of race, it's an issue of language. I'd rather not have someone in my guild that it takes me 20 minutes to explain a simple concept to just because they don't comprehend English very well. That would get old quick.

ArcanusMagus

NiobiuMmm wrote: »

@ArcanusMagus‌ you right in game a lot of guild can be select but in this tread i just wondering why people do something like that i just want understand the point maybe they re wrong maybe i am but we all see people what thinks about that.

There are alot of reasons that I wouldn't take someone who didn't speak English well enough.

First and foremost, I'm playing a game for entertainment and I don't want to have to stop and squint at the monitor to figure out what someone is trying to communicate.

Second, I favor small, tightly-knit guilds in which everyone knows everyone else and having someone who doesn't speak the guild's common language, or doesn't speak it well, is not going to easily integrate into the guild. I wouldn't want to have a permanent outlier like that.

Third, the language issues can cause misunderstandings between guild members, which then becomes my problem.

Cultural differences can be a source of drama. I'm not only talking about misunderstandings, here, but also about how different views of the world can collide. Let's take your initial post as an example, and I'll say up front that I have no idea where you are from, what you look like, what you believe, and I don't care about any of those. I don't know you. I came to this thread because of the title. I'm pretty sure that you're not American, but in American English that word racist is loaded. People lose their jobs over that, have their reputations destroyed, and all other manner of calamities befall them for simply being accused of racism. I don't think that kind of connotation is what you meant to convey, and that's my point. I'm sure that there are thousands of little hot buttons like that across cultures and this is just one that charged me because I was born and raised in Memphis. You could be a fantastic human being and misspeak and cause a problem inadvertently. Why would I want to expose a guild to that kind of potential problem?


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ZOS_AmeliaR

Let's keep this conversation constructive, everyone. As ESO supports English, French, and German, there will indeed be some guilds that prefer to only invite others who speak their language, so that they can better coordinate. We certainly appreciate all the suggestions being provided here to the OP to help them find a guild.

NiobiuMmm

@ZOS_AmeliaR‌ We dont hurt anyone feelings they can do what they want. We just why this happened english is not difficult language. They just can find people who know english and their own language and command other player. Problem can be solve a lot of way but just you accept your own people its kinda disturb sometimes.

Rosveen

I don't care where you come from and what other languages you speak, as long as there is one language we both know and can communicate in. In case of guilds, it is more difficult to ensure because they need to choose a language shared by a large group of people. It's especially important in national guilds speaking languages which aren't officially supported. Many of their members don't speak English very well and have enough trouble with the rest of the game, so they want to create an environement where their native language is the primary method of communication.

There's nothing racist about it; people just want to make sure all guild members will be able to talk to each other. If you can't speak German, what's the point of joining a guild where all chat communication is in German?