to DEVS and PRODUCERS 300 Day req Impossible to meet.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

geoffreyb14_ESO wrote: »

Here is the bottom, bottom line.

This mount costs $150 (10 months of sub),

You also get 1500 crowns a month times 10.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Do you guys really think this is for the love of compensating loyals players.In their minds they are really hoping the ones that payed since the start and havent unsuscribed once are a minority.This says it all:

The 300 days of paid time does not need to elapse prior to March 16th.

Its just a huge cash grab,nothing else.

Quoting Firor:

I'm very happy to share that we'll be granting an exclusive mount to everyone who has been with us from the BEGINNING

***,more like for everyone who have paid us from the beginning.

Quoting again:

If you see someone prowling the battlefield on one, you'll know you're looking at one of the core members of the community,SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN EXPLORING TAMRIEL WITH US FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

Lol,yeah right.Ill I start playing EsO for the 1st time in march 15,pay for 300 days "hey look players,I have a senche tiger I have been playing this game for quite some time!" while the ones who really have played the game for quite some time(8-9 months is quite some time) cant really have their bragging rights about their mount showing they are veteran and loyal players.

This move is what I call the P2W inside the cosmetic realm.Hopefully there will be another senche mount in the crown store.Which will be another slap in the face for those players that paid 300 days.Pretty sad.

Tintinabula

How can you call it a "cash grab" when the cash is going for a subscription?

Iago

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Do you guys really think this is for the love of compensating loyals players.In their minds they are really hoping the ones that payed since the start and havent unsuscribed once are a minority.This says it all:

The 300 days of paid time does not need to elapse prior to March 16th.

Its just a huge cash grab,nothing else.

Quoting Firor:

I'm very happy to share that we'll be granting an exclusive mount to everyone who has been with us from the BEGINNING

***,more like for everyone who have paid us from the beginning.

Quoting again:

If you see someone prowling the battlefield on one, you'll know you're looking at one of the core members of the community,SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN EXPLORING TAMRIEL WITH US FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

Lol,yeah right.Ill I start playing EsO for the 1st time in march 15,pay for 300 days "hey look players,I have a senche tiger I have been playing this game for quite some time!" while the ones who really have played the game for quite some time(8-9 months is quite some time) cant really have their bragging rights about their mount showing they are veteran and loyal players.

This move is what I call the P2W inside the cosmetic realm.Hopefully there will be another senche mount in the crown store.Which will be another slap in the face for those players that paid 300 days.Pretty sad.

You are 100% correct it has nothing to do with loyalty since anyone could buy the game on March 15th pay for a one year sub and then they will qualify for the Sence mount........

vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Tintinabula wrote: »

How can you call it a "cash grab" when the cash is going for a subscription?

the senche tiger is inciting people to spend little to big amounts of money even if they dont want to be ESO plus members

RedTalon

Well I paid for two six months subs, so I am good and my orc gets to a ride tiger in a wedding dress.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Iago wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Do you guys really think this is for the love of compensating loyals players.In their minds they are really hoping the ones that payed since the start and havent unsuscribed once are a minority.This says it all:

The 300 days of paid time does not need to elapse prior to March 16th.

Its just a huge cash grab,nothing else.

Quoting Firor:

I'm very happy to share that we'll be granting an exclusive mount to everyone who has been with us from the BEGINNING

***,more like for everyone who have paid us from the beginning.

Quoting again:

If you see someone prowling the battlefield on one, you'll know you're looking at one of the core members of the community,SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN EXPLORING TAMRIEL WITH US FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

Lol,yeah right.Ill I start playing EsO for the 1st time in march 15,pay for 300 days "hey look players,I have a senche tiger I have been playing this game for quite some time!" while the ones who really have played the game for quite some time(8-9 months is quite some time) cant really have their bragging rights about their mount showing they are veteran and loyal players.

This move is what I call the P2W inside the cosmetic realm.Hopefully there will be another senche mount in the crown store.Which will be another slap in the face for those players that paid 300 days.Pretty sad.

You are 100% correct it has nothing to do with loyalty since anyone could buy the game on March 15th pay for a one year sub and then they will qualify for the Sence mount........

Exactly and thats why I think Matt Firor should reword what he says in his letter about the tiger being a way to show that you have played the game for a long time.It is just like any other crown store mount,with the difference that some will get it for "free",others wont have to pay that much for it,and others will have to pay an insane amount of money for it.

Rosveen

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

geoffreyb14_ESO wrote: »

Here is the bottom, bottom line.

This mount costs $150 (10 months of sub),

You also get 1500 crowns a month times 10.

We get only 100 crowns for each past month.

Buck

It says right in the article ..."a special Striped Senche (giant cat) mount"

...and here....

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We pinged our resident loremaster about this and are awaiting an answer. In the meantime, we can tell you that there was some internal discussion about whether or not the Striped Senche is a Senche Tiger or not. Though there are some naming remnants in the game (on PTS) that say it is a Senche Tiger, it actually isn't. Apparently those beasties are the size of elephants.

Clearly by saying (giant cat) and size of elephants. and knowing there's gonna be some senche in the crown store these cats are gonna be obviously different.

Tintinabula

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

How can you call it a "cash grab" when the cash is going for a subscription?

the senche tiger is inciting people to spend little to big amounts of money even if they dont want to be ESO plus members

That's not the case for everyone and I would venture to guess its the case for only a small percentage of people...and for that small percentage of people impulsive enough to commit a 6 month Plus sub for a senche mount when they're going to be able to get senche mounts from the crown store..you can't seriously say that it was ZOS "master money grab plan" Cause if it were, it failed miserably.

I would wager that 75% of the games population already had or were very close to their 300 days. For those who were close and decided to buy a 3 month plan rather than continue month to month in order to secure the mount..ZOS lost money.

I just don't see it.

ArconSeptim

ZOS the point is people don't like this loyalty reward and the amount of crowns you get for each month subscribed.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Rosveen wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

geoffreyb14_ESO wrote: »

Here is the bottom, bottom line.

This mount costs $150 (10 months of sub),

You also get 1500 crowns a month times 10.

We get only 100 crowns for each past month.

He said the mount cost $150. I said you also get the 1500 crowns per month for every month you buy. Nowhere did anyone mention what we get for being previous subscribers. So I am mystified by your comment.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Tintinabula wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

How can you call it a "cash grab" when the cash is going for a subscription?

the senche tiger is inciting people to spend little to big amounts of money even if they dont want to be ESO plus members

That's not the case for everyone and I would venture to guess its the case for only a small percentage of people...and for that small percentage of people impulsive enough to commit a 6 month Plus sub for a senche mount when they're going to be able to get senche mounts from the crown store..you can't seriously say that it was ZOS "master money grab plan" Cause if it were, it failed miserably.

I would wager that 75% of the games population already had or were very close to their 300 days. For those who were close and decided to buy a 3 month plan rather than continue month to month in order to secure the mount..ZOS lost money.

I just don't see it.

Then how do you explain:

The 300 days of paid time does not need to elapse prior to March 16th.

Of course so people spend money just to have the mount.Dont you see it?If it were just for the sake of loyalty it will say something like:

The 300 days of paid time needs to be elapsed time prior to March 16th.

If it were for the sake of loyalty they would not allow a new player to pay for 300 day,lets say,a month before march 15 and have the mount.But they know many people will fall short of that 300 days and are ppl that want the mount so what a great moment to grab some extra money?Its not loyalty to you being there for the start its is a reward for you spending money in the game.

Of course im all in for the game to get financially supported but the way they do it its what i dont like.Check matt firor quotes i posted on my 1st post.They looks like small lies to cover the real intentions behind the "loyalty"mount

Tintinabula

Your entire premise rests on "your" definition of loyalty.

Your definition of loyalty= specific time spent.
Their definition= amount of money spent within a specified amount of time.

and when it comes down to it..your definition includes the "amount spent" variable as well but you're focusing on the fact you spent at a different/earlier time than others. How does that make you more loyal? It definitely makes you smarter in some cases but "more loyal"?...I don't know.

vladimilianoub17_ESO1

Tintinabula wrote: »

Your entire premise rests on "your" definition of loyalty.

Your definition of loyalty= specific time spent.
Their definition= amount of money spent within a specified amount of time.

and when it comes down to it..your definition includes the "amount spent" variable as well but you're focusing on the fact you spent at a different/earlier time than others. How does that make you more loyal? It definitely makes you smarter in some cases but "more loyal"?...I don't know.

Good point,but i dont try to imply in any way that im more loyal than others.My point is ,and now looking at you post,that ZOS definition of loyal players is more like ,money spend = loyalty and that is very sad as I assume is a very different definition of what most player think it is.

My definition of loyal player would be something like what i posted in another trhead.Quoting myself:

"I still think ZOS owe us a "thank you reward for being in beta,release,helping polish the game after many issues,advocating for it being a good game,playing many hours and sticking to at least half a year of the subscription model and still coming back to the game" <---now thats a loyal player."

And some how ZOS kind of made it look like thats their definition of loyalty.Matt Firor:

we'll be granting an exclusive mount to everyone who has been with us from the beginning

and:

If you see someone prowling the battlefield on one, you'll know you're looking at one of the core members of the community, someone who has been exploring Tamriel with us for quite some time.

That all sound good until you read:

The 300 days of paid time does not need to elapse prior to March 16th.

Throwing all that "If you see players in one thats a long time player" over the board and showing another intention for the mount.

reward for players who sticked from the beginning to the sub model so they can show they r veteran players + new players can get it too if they hurry and buy it = big contradiction and show their real definition of loyalty,like you said and we can see it is $.

If SOZ really want to reward players for being there since the beginning then the mount failed at it since new ppl can have it.Now if they really take under consideration what i think me and other ppl definition of loyalty is they would have not allow new players to have it.Everything was good until they looked at the mount with this eyes $.$

With all that said,it would be cool if ZOS reward players that have been in beta,release,helping polish the game after many issues,advocating for it being a good game,playing many hours and sticking to at least half a year of the subscription model and still coming back to the game,with a senche mount.Until now I havent seen that yet.

neueregel

Ill let you pet my Senche if you want...

vladimilianoub17_ESO1

neueregel wrote: »

Ill let you pet my Senche if you want...

Not if he stinks,did you bath it? or sended it to the catwash? lol

Sadly I cant tell if I have that mount or not,would make my posts looks biased and will break the purposes of it which is letting ppl know how some things they annonce are not really what they look.

angel59

Tintinabula wrote: »

Your entire premise rests on "your" definition of loyalty.

Your definition of loyalty= specific time spent.
Their definition= amount of money spent within a specified amount of time.

and when it comes down to it..your definition includes the "amount spent" variable as well but you're focusing on the fact you spent at a different/earlier time than others. How does that make you more loyal? It definitely makes you smarter in some cases but "more loyal"?...I don't know.

I can see where @Tintinabula gets his definition. In the Feb 12 Road Ahead (www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/02/12/the-road-ahead---february ) the following statement was made: "As I alluded to in our special ESO Live show on the day we announced Tamriel Unlimited, I'm very happy to share that we'll be granting an exclusive mount to everyone who has been with us from the beginning: a special Striped Senche (giant cat) mount, given only to those who are eligible. "

Then he goes on to say the qualifications: "The criteria you'll need to meet to receive this very special mount are:

You are an active ESO subscriber when we transition to Tamriel Unlimited.
You have paid for 300 total days of subscription time (non-consecutive), prior to March 16th."

I guess loyalty is a nebulous thing that can be changed to meet conditions. Maybe ZOS meant to say that 'the beginning' is the game card that puts you over the $300.

It would not surprise me to find out that the intent was to give it to those who were subscribed since April 14. However, they saw all the whining on the forums and realized they could make a fast buck.

starkerealm

angel59 wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

Your entire premise rests on "your" definition of loyalty.

Your definition of loyalty= specific time spent.
Their definition= amount of money spent within a specified amount of time.

and when it comes down to it..your definition includes the "amount spent" variable as well but you're focusing on the fact you spent at a different/earlier time than others. How does that make you more loyal? It definitely makes you smarter in some cases but "more loyal"?...I don't know.

I can see where @Tintinabula gets his definition. In the Feb 12 Road Ahead (www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/02/12/the-road-ahead---february ) the following statement was made: "As I alluded to in our special ESO Live show on the day we announced Tamriel Unlimited, I'm very happy to share that we'll be granting an exclusive mount to everyone who has been with us from the beginning: a special Striped Senche (giant cat) mount, given only to those who are eligible. "

Then he goes on to say the qualifications: "The criteria you'll need to meet to receive this very special mount are:

You are an active ESO subscriber when we transition to Tamriel Unlimited.
You have paid for 300 total days of subscription time (non-consecutive), prior to March 16th."

I guess loyalty is a nebulous thing that can be changed to meet conditions. Maybe ZOS meant to say that 'the beginning' is the game card that puts you over the $300.

It would not surprise me to find out that the intent was to give it to those who were subscribed since April 14. However, they saw all the whining on the forums and realized they could make a fast buck.

And the originally announced it as the 12 month subscriber reward, before saying it was for people with an uninterrupted subscription. Meaning, clearly they just wanted to troll players that were excited when they heard that and then disqualified them... no, wait...

Here's the thing, the 300 days paid sub time makes sense. There's some grace time for people who were comped additional subscription time from CS, from people who had their payment system declined.

It technically opens the door for someone to walk in and drop $200 bucks on a new game they've never played before and get that mount... assuming they actually learn it exists and came in at precisely the right moment, and then learned exactly how to game the system to get it... does this sound right to you? Really? You see a lot of people scampering to the game, buying out a half dozen of those nearly impossible to find time cards to get a thing they haven't even seen yet?

I mean, yes, if you're in a position where, well, I'd be screwed out of this but if I bump my subscription frequency to 90 days, I'll clear the hurdle... then you could maybe say that they didn't earn it... but so what? It's not like there's a limited supply of these things. You don't have to worry about not getting yours because some rich 13 year old jerk in Florida begged his parents into getting him a bunch of time cards.

So... what?

It's still a, "hey, thanks for playing back before it was buy to play." And, honestly, if they went back tomorrow and said, "you know what, it'll be open to anyone with an active subscription on March 16th," that still would not harm you in anyway.

So, what?

Tintinabula

I mean when you look at it realistically..if it were about time spent in a specific time span..the first 30 days that were "free"(they weren't really free cause we purchased them with buying the game) should be included (which coincidentally would negate my need to even add on a 90 day sub to my account.) but they weren't..because its not about time spent...Its about money spent.

angel59

@starkerealm It does not affect me. I find it rather comical that those who would not have gotten it carried on as if it was the end of the world.

You have to admit, ZOS made a sound decision by modifying the criteria. It is definitely evident that the crown store will work. Look at the people who went head over heals to pay money to get a striped senche.

Full disclosure: I qualified through 2 × 6 month subscriptons. I am not concerned about the senche.My imperial horse has served my characters well.

Soulshine

Tintinabula wrote: »

vladimilianoub17_ESO1 wrote: »

Tintinabula wrote: »

How can you call it a "cash grab" when the cash is going for a subscription?

the senche tiger is inciting people to spend little to big amounts of money even if they dont want to be ESO plus members

That's not the case for everyone and I would venture to guess its the case for only a small percentage of people...and for that small percentage of people impulsive enough to commit a 6 month Plus sub for a senche mount when they're going to be able to get senche mounts from the crown store..you can't seriously say that it was ZOS "master money grab plan" Cause if it were, it failed miserably.

I would wager that 75% of the games population already had or were very close to their 300 days. For those who were close and decided to buy a 3 month plan rather than continue month to month in order to secure the mount..ZOS lost money.

I just don't see it.

Bolded is from me.

That is precisely what they are banking on and why they said the paid days need not have elapsed by the 16th.

It's quite perfect actually. If that many people --- and ZoS bean counters know exactly what the number is -- are "close," it is quite probable that they will buy an extension to their sub to get this thing and that is exactly the driving force behind the allowance for non consecutive, no beginning date, and no need to have paid days elsapse before the 16th.

They will in NO WAY lose money off that because the extended subs that many will buy, will give the company a nice if small bit of revenue infusion through the spring until the windfall of cash from consoles hits in early June. It's just a marketing tool, well timed, and clearly intended.

Tintinabula

That's a good point and I concede although I would like to see the actual $ amount lost due to 90 day bundles bought as opposed to what they would have made if they hadn't placed a time frame and allowed people to simply pay month to month for say the next 6 months to acquire the mount.

Leeric

So, I've been subscribed since early access, no lapses but my current sub ends April 5th will I get the mount?

Tintinabula

Leeric wrote: »

So, I've been subscribed since early access, no lapses but my current sub ends April 5th will I get the mount?

Go to your account->billing history and count how many months you have paid for . If the number is 10 or more you are golden.

Soulshine

Hehe. Well at the end of the day, its a question of urgency. It is the number one illusion you must be good at creating when you want to close the sale. They know that the time frame at the back end was needed to get people to buy. Without it, the whole plan pretty much collapses.

Leeric

Tintinabula wrote: »

Leeric wrote: »

So, I've been subscribed since early access, no lapses but my current sub ends April 5th will I get the mount?

Go to your account->billing history and count how many months you have paid for . If the number is 10 or more you are golden.

Well thats why Im asking, if its 10 months paid for I'm fine. However, if they go by 300 days I'm pretty sure I'm off by like 3 days, or some nonsense like that.

EDIT AY OHHH, scratch that, I kept thinking april was may lol ya i get it

Tintinabula

Actually if you have paid for from early access until April with no lapses at all you should be entering your 11th or 12 month by April?

Soulshine

Tintinabula wrote: »

Actually if you have paid for from early access until April with no lapses at all you should be entering your 11th or 12 month by April?

Ya. In my case two 180 day subs, ending May 10th.

Darlantan

Malpherian wrote: »

EVERYONE who Made an Account in BETA, or during the release month, and Subscribed at least 2 Months (Non Consecutive" before March 17, should be eligible for this.

THIS is Fair.

Please fix it. And please, do not frack over everyone like you always do... Again. Some of us are getting really tired of it.

So you are saying that if somebody only subbed for 2 month since BETA he should get the same item that people who subbed from the start or subbed later but added more days to equal 300... and for you that is fair...

Ya right...

keep dreaming because your kind of fare is not i am pretty sure what the majority would call fair...