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Suggestion: New Alliance Skillline "Assassination"

Lhorion
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Hey,
keep fights are always the same! Shooting with ballistas, running inside, shooting again, running inside, capture the flag. The defenders always wait on the top of the wall. When the outer wall is under ca. 15% they go inside. When the inner wall is under ca. 15% they place the oil.
Jumping in a keep as werewolf or as DK seems to be not intended and using the ambush exploit is not intendes as well. I know this, but i am sad about this. Why? Because this are things that make keep fights more interesting. Okay I am a DK, but i know many other guys that don't play DK (sorc for example) that like those ways to get inside.
My suggestion is
a) The Nightlade should have a skill to get inside (intended)
b) A Skilline in PvP ("Assassination") could be there for making keep fights more interesting. Using ladders, using ropes to help your group following you, a ult that helps you climb on a wall (could be a cast of 10-20 seconds and be interuptable, so you have to this from behind when noone is watching).

For preventing that a zerg will climb there you could cap the numberof enemies that can be inside before the walls are down to 4/6/8.

This are my thoughts, maybe you know some ieas to make it better/more realistic?
Or do you think it is completely bad?

Regards
Lorion
  • Kartalin
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    The idea of ladders is interesting, but they would be the pretty OP if people could get into a keep without knocking down something. Maybe if they were low health siege weapons so they only had one or two uses before breaking it could work. Or if they could only be set up at oil pot platforms so that if you were seen oil could be quickly set up and melt the ladder with one hit. Hmm, limit the number usable at one time, no cool down but slow like a treb, it may be able to work but it'd take some serious balancing.
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  • Scamandros
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    True Assassins never leave home without their trusty 10m ladders
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    I fell out of my nest

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    I started to wonder off
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    Mighty Eagle
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    I came face to face
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    Mighty Eagle
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    I came to fall in love with Mighty Lion
    Who's claws is sharp and just

    Mighty Eagle
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    Then suddenly
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    Mighty Eagle
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    Mighty Dragon roared aloud
    Who's mighty paws make earthquake
    that quivers underneath our feet

    Mighty Eagle
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    Soon battle rages
    Between the Mighty Lion and Mighty Dragon

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    My heart grows heavy
    For who do I belong in Scourge PS4 EU

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I continue to battle.
    But Battle I must do within myself

    Mighty Eagle
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    I screech, I screech
    Long and hard. I made a fuss

    Mighty Eagle
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    Then suddenly
    As if I was dreaming

    Mighty Eagle
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    I heard a screech
    But suddenly, I attack Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle had to defend

    Mighty Eagle
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    I know I was fighting for Mighty Lion
    So I fought back.

    Mighty Eagle
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    I attack I attack
    But to no avail

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    The Mighty claws who's mighty claws
    Felt unnatural to me and very clumsy to me

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Why I have chosen to not stay with you
    I do not know. I am complicated at that.

    Mighty Eagle
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    I have destroyed Mighty Eagle
    My own kin in Scourge PS4 EU

    Mighty Eagle
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    I crawled into a ball
    Weep to no avail

    Mighty Eagle
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    Lost in my whirling thoughts
    My heart and mind is clouded

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I have served Mighty Lion over a year
    I thought Mighty Lion is were I belong anew

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I finally contacted
    Mighty Eagle

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle says they love me
    In reality I love them also.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I continued to clash
    At Mighty Eagle however

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    But clashing with Mighty Eagle
    Just not feel right


    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    I have made a wrong choice I now believe
    Terrible and unjust of what I did

    Mighty Eagle
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    For am I not a monster
    For attacking a faction who loves me instead

    Mighty Eagle
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    I was wrong
    Mighty Eagle was right

    Mighty Eagle
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    Come. Please take me back Mighty Eagle
    For I believe I now know

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Were I truly belong
    For indeed I thought

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    That Mighty Lion
    Is were I belong.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    O how I was so wrong Mighty Eagle
    I was gravely wrong and such a fool I was.

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    You have met
    Princess Justine

    Mighty Eagle
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    Princess Justine who attacked
    Mighty Eagle

    Mighty Eagle
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    I know this was wrong
    And so to does Princess Justine

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    With our clashing together
    I now know were I truly belong in Scourge PS4 EU I believe.

    Mighty Eagle
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    Have you all not heard
    The famous saying. That is very wise and so very true?

    Mighty Eagle
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    Let me repeat the famous saying
    that is very wise and so true

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    It is
    My Enemy, Enemy's, Enemy's
    Is my friend

    Mighty Eagle
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    Mighty Eagle
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    Who used to serve Mighty Lion
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    For the very first time in her career.

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    Were I go. She will go to. For she believes it is right choice

    Mighty Eagle
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    O Mighty Eagle

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    No one else but you
    I feel peaceful. Unafraid

    Mighty Eagle
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    I belong to you O mighty Eagle
    I am so relieved to hear myself to say that

    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Princess Justine and I


    Mighty Eagle
    Mighty Eagle
    Now flies and fights alongside with Mighty Eagle
    Who's Mighty talons stand for sacred Freedom

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    Written on this day
    September 27. The day when My troubled mind is not clouded no longer.
    In the year of my troubles end
  • Lhorion
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    Ladder:
    A defender could be able to interrupt the casu (placing the ladder) for example. And the ladder could just bring 2-4 people in the wall. But you are right, it is hard to prefent the next OP-thing.
  • Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO
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    if defenders could burn the ladders from the wall and attackers went through a 'door like' animation at the top (takes 5-10 seconds before they can do anything) Ladders would be really interesting, would make people spread out around the keep and defend back keeps for fear of a stealth take.

    Additionally if they made it so attackers cant set up siege inside a keep where the outer wall isn't breached (or below 25%) would prevent people just sieging only the inner wall
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  • HeroOfNone
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    Might like this idea I put up a while ago

    Suggestion: ladders, grappling hooks, and siege tower.

    Important thing will be to make there be enough disadvantage to climbing into keeps, otherwise flipping them could take just 2-3 minutes without any battle or back and forth pushing, making pvp less about actual siege warfare, which is the current direction.
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  • Soulac
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    Lhorion wrote: »
    Hey,
    keep fights are always the same! Shooting with ballistas, running inside, shooting again, running inside, capture the flag. The defenders always wait on the top of the wall. When the outer wall is under ca. 15% they go inside. When the inner wall is under ca. 15% they place the oil.
    Jumping in a keep as werewolf or as DK seems to be not intended and using the ambush exploit is not intendes as well. I know this, but i am sad about this. Why? Because this are things that make keep fights more interesting. Okay I am a DK, but i know many other guys that don't play DK (sorc for example) that like those ways to get inside.
    My suggestion is
    a) The Nightlade should have a skill to get inside (intended)
    b) A Skilline in PvP ("Assassination") could be there for making keep fights more interesting. Using ladders, using ropes to help your group following you, a ult that helps you climb on a wall (could be a cast of 10-20 seconds and be interuptable, so you have to this from behind when noone is watching).

    For preventing that a zerg will climb there you could cap the numberof enemies that can be inside before the walls are down to 4/6/8.

    This are my thoughts, maybe you know some ieas to make it better/more realistic?
    Or do you think it is completely bad?

    Regards
    Lorion

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  • Mumyo
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    http://www.vectis.co.uk/AuctionImages/45/2162_l.jpg
    Saw this in another thread.
    *drools*
    Edited by Mumyo on February 12, 2015 5:03PM
  • Lhorion
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    Siege towers are a nice idea, too. But all this things should be balanced so there won't be a way to ignore walls.
  • AriBoh
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    If we could just climb inside a keep why would anybody bother sieging? you want even more boring fights where keeps are taken without them being lit up to warn the owning faction?
    khele23eb17
    Agreed. Whoever came up with the design should be shot in the foot and only admitted to hospital when he manages to find 3 other people willing to maim themselves the same way in order to accompany him.

    ZOS_AmeliaR admin
    Ultimately, any method of entering an enemy keep without breaking down the door is considered an exploit. Thanks for checking!

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  • Lhorion
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    Please read! I suggestes a cap of people inside a keep before the wall is down.
    Btw you have to siege the walls before you can capture the flags. Once i jumped into a keep, killed the enemies and were not able to capture the flags -> wall has to be down.
  • Ghostbane
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    Still waiting for those siege bridges from the Cinematics....
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  • Xeniph
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    There was a game a number of years back that allowed the rogue archetype to climb walls, every keep had a couple of points this could be done at.

    And another game a few years later that had a pvp skill that allowed players to enter postern doors, on a CD.

    Both of these brought a lot of flavor and fun to classes that normally have little to do in large objective battles.

    I would love to see something like either of these brought to ESO.
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  • Etaniel
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    I would love ladders, but they wouldnt work really well with the current keep setups imo.

    I think the walls should be raised to at least twice their height ( so that keeps actually look like keeps), walls should have more hp so it takes longer than 1 minute to take down a wall, and ladders should only be placable in a few spots along the walls, lets say 5 or 6. Only one person could be on a ladder at the same time, and it would take between 5-8 seconds to climb to the top and be able to fight, putting the climber in a risky situation as he could be targeted by archers or oil while he climbs.

    Ladders shouldn't be able to get you inside the inner wall though, otherwise sieging would become completely worthless.
    Also, instead of showing the keep "under siege" on the map, there should be a new icon showing that the keep is "being infiltrated", and defenders could still port inside to fight off the invaders.
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  • Grim13
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    My NB should be able to sneak into a keep and open the front gate!
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