Compared to this dude, every archer in the history of Nirn sucks!

Salkand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

TheBull

Terrible animations though...

Sue_D_Nim

I want to have that man's babies.

kewl

Touche monsieur ***!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rDbqz_07dW4

Roechacca

I rediscovered the long lost technique of ZFG .

Brittany_Joy

@kewl, that skeptic video is very narrow-minded. The uploader is also very confrontational in the comments. All the video does is assume Lars Anderson only learned from history by looking at a picture and ignores the fact that videos use pictures to illustrate a point, just a shallow analyze from the uploader. It is just a video showcasing the uploader's dislike towards differing ideologies about history and practical bow use. Lars Anderson has physical proof that his method of archery is functional but the skeptic dislikes it just because he doesn't follow their ideology of archery.

Be wary of videos that were only created to bash. Those videos are never for constructive criticism but for self pleasure 'caused from publicizing their hatred towards their target. Just use critical thinking skills for once, why did the uploader create this video? Obviously it wasn't to praise unique perceptions. The video was created to bash differing opinions. The so-called debate about historical and scientific accuracy is laughable. 99% of all theories, including science and religion, is innately falsifiable. Mathematics is the only thing that can't be disputed. Why argue about accuracy when you know there is none but the desire to be right in an argument.

Jaxsun

There must be some talent there but all I want to do is kick him in the nuts.

wraith808

Though I can't vouch for the historicity of any of Mr. Andersen's claims, basically he's shown that he's gotten really good at doing archery stuff that looks like it'd be actually useful in medieval melee. While Ms. Maltese's snarky 'rebuttal' may be based on stuff she knows a thing or two about, her attitude kinda grated on me.

1- "Trick shooter"
Damn straight, he's damn tricky, but the things he does look actually useful, and it obviously took a lot of practice and built-up skill to pull off what he does. Nobody is going to pull an arrow out of their heart and say "Haha, nice trick". Trick shot or not, if you're hit, he wins.

2- "Plate armor"
She goes on about how he's only pulling 10-13 pounds on the bow, and mocks his demonstration of shooting through chain mail by showing a picture of full dress plate armor. Lady, how many people do you really think were on the battlefield in full plate? Though I don't buy the myths that they were very heavy or cumbersome, I don't think they were standard issue to any and all foot soldiers. I don't recall any medieval woodcuts or tapestries showing fields of armor-clad heroes, but plenty of woolen-knickers-and-waistcoats.

3- "Left vs. Right"
She takes issue with him saying he has learned to "shoot arrows from the right side of the bow", then sets up a straw man by saying archers shoot on whatever side their strong eye is. C'mon Ms. Maltese, you know what he meant.

4- "Bamboo arrows"
She takes issue with him being able to split an arrow by saying he had to use bamboo arrows to perform his amazing "split the arrow as it flies" trick.
o_O
HE SPLIT AN ARROW THAT WAS FLYING MID-AIR IN HIS GENERAL DIRECTION. It doesn't matter if it was made of bamboo or drinking straws, HE SPLIT AN ARROW IN MID-AIR.
DONE.

eric22santiago_ESO

Brittany_Joy wrote: »

@kewl, that skeptic video is very narrow-minded. The uploader is also very confrontational in the comments. All the video does is assume Lars Anderson only learned from history by looking at a picture and ignores the fact that videos use pictures to illustrate a point, just a shallow analyze from the uploader. It is just a video showcasing the uploader's dislike towards differing ideologies about history and practical bow use. Lars Anderson has physical proof that his method of archery is functional but the skeptic dislikes it just because he doesn't follow their ideology of archery.

Be wary of videos that were only created to bash. Those videos are never for constructive criticism but for self pleasure 'caused from publicizing their hatred towards their target. Just use critical thinking skills for once, why did the uploader create this video? Obviously it wasn't to praise unique perceptions. The video was created to bash differing opinions. The so-called debate about historical and scientific accuracy is laughable. 99% of all theories, including science and religion, is innately falsifiable. Mathematics is the only thing that can't be disputed. Why argue about accuracy when you know there is none but the desire to be right in an argument.

I wonder if he has scorned her once or twice in their lifetime lol. What I find most ironic about her video was that she bashed him for using all those 'googled' pics he found of ancient drawings and sculptures as reference since he 'found them on google' but then went on to use the same type of 'googled' pics to demonstrate how quivers WERE in fact not just used in the movies.

His video was rather juvenile though lol. He looked like a giant kid jumping around the forest.

Rev Rielle

Lars is amazing with that bow, but awful at research and fact checks.

Khivas_Carrick

While she has a point, she's still pretty damned scorned attitude and that video lol

SanderBuraas

This is not relevant to the game this forum represents.

Wreuntzylla

wraith808 wrote: »

Though I can't vouch for the historicity of any of Mr. Andersen's claims, basically he's shown that he's gotten really good at doing archery stuff that looks like it'd be actually useful in medieval melee. While Ms. Maltese's snarky 'rebuttal' may be based on stuff she knows a thing or two about, her attitude kinda grated on me.

1- "Trick shooter"
Damn straight, he's damn tricky, but the things he does look actually useful, and it obviously took a lot of practice and built-up skill to pull off what he does. Nobody is going to pull an arrow out of their heart and say "Haha, nice trick". Trick shot or not, if you're hit, he wins.

2- "Plate armor"
She goes on about how he's only pulling 10-13 pounds on the bow, and mocks his demonstration of shooting through chain mail by showing a picture of full dress plate armor. Lady, how many people do you really think were on the battlefield in full plate? Though I don't buy the myths that they were very heavy or cumbersome, I don't think they were standard issue to any and all foot soldiers. I don't recall any medieval woodcuts or tapestries showing fields of armor-clad heroes, but plenty of woolen-knickers-and-waistcoats.

3- "Left vs. Right"
She takes issue with him saying he has learned to "shoot arrows from the right side of the bow", then sets up a straw man by saying archers shoot on whatever side their strong eye is. C'mon Ms. Maltese, you know what he meant.

4- "Bamboo arrows"
She takes issue with him being able to split an arrow by saying he had to use bamboo arrows to perform his amazing "split the arrow as it flies" trick.
o_O
HE SPLIT AN ARROW THAT WAS FLYING MID-AIR IN HIS GENERAL DIRECTION. It doesn't matter if it was made of bamboo or drinking straws, HE SPLIT AN ARROW IN MID-AIR.
DONE.

Yes, and multiple "awesome" 1vXers post videos of themselves killing 5-10 VR1-14 players without ever dying... Kind of like Johnny Football with his 100 yard hoop throws... Please. Cherry picked 1 in 1000 events.

You missed her overall point. Could his shooting have been useful in some time and place? Yes. In even more then a small percentage of times and places? No.

If you have any understanding of history, all you have to ask yourself is why the longbow changed the course of history in Europe (despite being millennia older). I'll answer that one for you. Archers were a second class military cadre because armored opponents commonly left the field alive and kicking with arrows sticking out everywhere after killing all the archers. Historical accounts abound. The average bow was a peasant killer. That's it.

The English longbow, with a ~100lbs draw, punctured everything. The longbows found on Henry VIII's Mary Rose went up to 185lb and could reach as far as 350 yards. For you rifle shooters, think about that... 350 yards...

Seriously, we aren't bench pressing here, were drawing... Try doing any of the crap he's showing with any significant draw. You can't. No one can. English bowman, btw, had to shoot an arrow every 5-6 seconds with that draw weight. Their skeletons are easily identifiable due to the calcium enlargements....

A trick shooter shooting at what I guessed was a 10lbs draw (she generously put it as high as 35lbs) is only good against unarmored opponents at close range. In what battle was that useful? The battle against the wild, rampaging chickens of York?

Btw, bamboo is hollow. Like, there is no center. Hitting a bamboo shaft anywhere will cause it to split. Splitting a solid wood shaft requires hitting the center of mass, otherwise it deflects or splinters a notch...

And don't get me started on the weight of an arrow for various ranges. Try to shoot a 3.5lb arrow with that piece of crap. Medieval swords averaged 2.5 lbs... Good luck.

Harleyquincey

Oh no.. not Lars again.

Sorry but that guy needs to learn he is a trick shooter. That's a wonderful skill and he is really really good at it. But he is simply that: a trick shooter. Not a modern archery teacher, no researcher, no scientist, no rediscoverer of ancient techniques, no longbowman, no sniper. He's a trick shooter and a good one. But he also loves himself and his ego, loves to boast about what else he googled tonight and all that stuff as if it was factual.

The debunk video clearly shows many of the inaccuracies (and in some cases downright lies) Lars spreads and considers scientific proof.

As someone who has learned medieval european swordfighting myself and been reenacting it and thus has been exposed to quite some people going for archery themselves (mind you: with scientific research behind it and studying medieval text sources, tutored by an archaeologist and historian), I can tell you: that bow Lars uses? It's useless against even chainmail which was the dominant type of armor across medieval warriors (usually combined with gambesons beneath it), probably even if he used bodkin arrows since the pull is just very very weak (we are talking about 10% of a full drawn english longbow, after all).

I don't know what Lars took before making the commentary to his video but it has to have been more than just an arrow to the knee - and taking his commentary as if it was authentic causes me stomach pains.

I don't want to belittle his archievements (ba-dum-tss!), he is really good at what he does. He just shouldn't try to go all Peter Molyneux about it.


@Wreuntzylla
Medieval swords even weighed between 2.5 and 3.5lbs to be most precise there, whereas modern craftsmanship allows for equally sturdy and useful blades at a weight of around 1.9 to 2.1 lbs (this does break authenticity to a minor degreee though, frowned upon by some hardcore reenactors). Do bear in mind though that those swords on the light side of the spectrum were usually used alongside shields which add quite some weight and also a lot of dexterity required

RSram

I'd been practicing archery for several years, mostly target shooting, and a little bit of hunting, and what the lady says in the video is true. I have yet seen an archer shoot a bow as fast as the guy in the video if the bow is pulled to the fully drawn position for maxim power. I have seem many trick shot archers who are better than the guy in the video, but they all use 35 lb bows and never fully draw the bow to full strength and unlike the guy in the video, their form is always the same. All of the trick shooters that I seen use either a side or back quiver and still shoot faster and more accurate than the guy in the video. The thing they all have in common is they practice shooting at the same distance (10 to 20 yards) and use an under powered bow. The funny thing is that if you change the distance, they suck big time; I know because I challenged a trick shooter in a 3D archery contest where the foam targets are at varying ranges from 25 to 80 yards and the dude sucked at ranges beyond 25 yards. He did kick my butt at 20 and 25 yards, but lucky for me 3/4 of the targets were beyond 25 yards, and I was using a bow a sight, and he was just eyeballing it.

You also cannot fully split an arrow like in the movies, it's a myth. in all the archery clubs I been in, no one had yet seen anyone fully split an arrow. I have seen many archers including myself shoot an arrow into another one, but that's easy to do if you shoot 20 arrows at the same bulls eye and don't care about destroying two $25 arrows.

Here's a photo of two $25 arrows I destroyed while sighting in the 40 yard pin; like and idiot, I decided to use the same bulls eye. $50 dollars done the drain.

ZOS_LenaicR

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