Are the buffs and nerfs to Classes about more than rebalancing ?

Joejudas

So with all the nerfs and buffs....I noticed that sorcs and DKs are taking alot of heat, while Temps just keep getting buffs. I haven't heard anything too terribly awful about NBs in 1.6. So this is my question :
Do you think that part of these buffs and nerfs are a way to purposefully make certain unperforming classes better and overperforming worse not just for rebalancing, but as a sneaky way of making us spend our time releveling toons. That would account for a big chunk of time that could have been used by us on new content. They aren't putting out new content though, so it's possible this and the cp system were designed as a time killer. Thoughts ?

edit: i also base my suspicion on the fact that forever dks were op...and now temps are very clearly op but it seems accepted by zos so far. I dont have a problem with temps being op. good for you guys.

Sanct16

Yeah, probably they want ppl to reroll.

Alcast

Joejudas wrote: »

So with all the nerfs and buffs....I noticed that sorcs and DKs are taking alot of heat, while Temps just keep getting buffs. I haven't heard anything too terribly awful about NBs in 1.6. So this is my question :
Do you think that part of these buffs and nerfs are a way to purposefully make certain unperforming classes better and overperforming worse not just for rebalancing, but as a sneaky way of making us spend our time releveling toons. That would account for a big chunk of time that could have been used by us on new content. They aren't putting out new content though, so it's possible this and the cp system were designed as a time killer. Thoughts ?

edit: i also base my suspicion on the fact that forever dks were op...and now temps are very clearly op but it seems accepted by zos so far. I dont have a problem with temps being op. good for you guys.

Dks do still 1,5x more dps than every other class, what are you talking about?
NB/Sorcs are totally broken
Templars can finally dps, at least with stamina lol.

I am talking PvE.

Have to do more testing on PTS though,

Joejudas

Im not saying this is a bad or a good thing, im just saying looking at it i think it might be about more than re-balancing. I thinks its also intended as a time sink by " encouraging " people to re-roll.

Kragorn

Joejudas wrote: »

Im not saying this is a bad or a good thing, im just saying looking at it i think it might be about more than re-balancing. I thinks its also intended as a time sink by " encouraging " people to re-roll.

But this won't apply to you, will it, you've said endlessly how there's no point in you playing any more in your never-ending rants about stat 'nerfs'!

Joejudas

Kragorn wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

Im not saying this is a bad or a good thing, im just saying looking at it i think it might be about more than re-balancing. I thinks its also intended as a time sink by " encouraging " people to re-roll.

But this won't apply to you, will it, you've said endlessly how there's no point in you playing any more in your never-ending rants about stat 'nerfs'!

They reversed their choices because alot of us complained. stop worrying about me so much and contribute to the conversation.

Emma_Overload

I think one of 4 things has happened:

#1) ZoS loves whiny PVP players and guild zergs, so they've totally caved to demands to nerf all skills that that make "1 vs. Many" combat viable. Specifically, AOE skills like Wall of Elements and AOE synergizers like Critical Surge.

#2) ZoS hates solo PVE players (but not our money!), so they've decided to torture us by nerfing all our AOE/survival skills so that we can't grind Craglorn, solo Dungeons or do anything else fun. The best gear should never drop for solo players... so nerf nerf NERF.

#3) ZoS loves dead Sorcerers. Nuff' said.

#4) All of the above!

Robbmrp

Joejudas wrote: »

So with all the nerfs and buffs....I noticed that sorcs and DKs are taking alot of heat, while Temps just keep getting buffs. I haven't heard anything too terribly awful about NBs in 1.6. So this is my question :
Do you think that part of these buffs and nerfs are a way to purposefully make certain unperforming classes better and overperforming worse not just for rebalancing, but as a sneaky way of making us spend our time releveling toons. That would account for a big chunk of time that could have been used by us on new content. They aren't putting out new content though, so it's possible this and the cp system were designed as a time killer. Thoughts ?

edit: i also base my suspicion on the fact that forever dks were op...and now temps are very clearly op but it seems accepted by zos so far. I dont have a problem with temps being op. good for you guys.

I might have agree'd with you if ESO hadn't gone the B2P route. To level a new character you won't need a subscription and can cancel it anytime. The changes are probably more related to trying to balance out the classes which still isn't working. Instead of dropping down the OP class, they tinker with the other classes and end up jacking things up. Rather than fix the original problem to begin with, they apply a band aid fix that just makes things worse.

firewatch

Robbmrp wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

The changes are probably more related to trying to balance out the classes which still isn't working. Instead of dropping down the OP class, they tinker with the other classes and end up jacking things up. Rather than fix the original problem to begin with, they apply a band aid fix that just makes things worse.

This. ZOS has no idea how to balance the game. It's all trial and error.

Joejudas

Robbmrp wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

So with all the nerfs and buffs....I noticed that sorcs and DKs are taking alot of heat, while Temps just keep getting buffs. I haven't heard anything too terribly awful about NBs in 1.6. So this is my question :
Do you think that part of these buffs and nerfs are a way to purposefully make certain unperforming classes better and overperforming worse not just for rebalancing, but as a sneaky way of making us spend our time releveling toons. That would account for a big chunk of time that could have been used by us on new content. They aren't putting out new content though, so it's possible this and the cp system were designed as a time killer. Thoughts ?

edit: i also base my suspicion on the fact that forever dks were op...and now temps are very clearly op but it seems accepted by zos so far. I dont have a problem with temps being op. good for you guys.

I might have agree'd with you if ESO hadn't gone the B2P route. To level a new character you won't need a subscription and can cancel it anytime. The changes are probably more related to trying to balance out the classes which still isn't working. Instead of dropping down the OP class, they tinker with the other classes and end up jacking things up. Rather than fix the original problem to begin with, they apply a band aid fix that just makes things worse.

I agree I think they are probably just complicating things with the very odd nerfs.

manny254

Joejudas wrote: »

So with all the nerfs and buffs....I noticed that sorcs and DKs are taking alot of heat, while Temps just keep getting buffs.

Temps just got there most damaging skill nerfed. It looks like you have selective hearing/sight.

Joejudas

manny254 wrote: »

Joejudas wrote: »

So with all the nerfs and buffs....I noticed that sorcs and DKs are taking alot of heat, while Temps just keep getting buffs.

Temps just got there most damaging skill nerfed. It looks like you have selective hearing/sight.

That's possible...but I didn't see a nerf to that new ultra radiant death ray beam. I'm not advocating they nerf Temps.

supernico

Yes. Ofcourse. Thats how you keep MMOs alive, by keeping people engaged to the game, have a class/skill/whatever OP at all times while everything else is underpowered and rotate. At least Templars are happy now. Enjoy it, lads!

danovic

I think they will never be able to balance pvp and pve. The two just require 2 different setups. The best way to balance classes would be an arena system were everyone goes in with arena gear. Arena being gear that is all the same stats like in oblivion so its the skill of the players not the gear. Then fights it out. Keep track of the classes that are winning most then improve the classes that are loosing so that its kind of random who the top winners are. That would be pvp balance.