[1.6.2] ZOS, give my wep swap back!

Teargrants

Can't make polls in PTS section, so here I am.

The 1 sec cooldown on wep swap is just ridiculous, half the time I try to swap it locks me out and there I am spamming abilities on the wrong bar. This was completely unnecessary and completely [snip] over builds that rely on chaining abilities on both bars.

You know what the solution to not accidentally double swapping weps is? Just tap wep swap once! In addition to that 1.6 already adds binds for swapping to wep 1/wep 2 only.

This cooldown combined with the 'cannot swap weapons' bug needs to go away.

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EsORising

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

I think the CD was to address the bug in their sort of way of fixing things. I don't like it , but maybe it's for the better.

Teargrants

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

Before swap would occasionally be unresponsive, usually when there was lag. Their solution is to make swap basically always be unresponsive, tell me how that is an improvement.

RSram

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

The ZOS developers are like politicians who make policies based on theoretical assumptions that ignore empirical data.

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Yusuf

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

ZOS is very talented at making weaponswap worse with each major update since 1.3, they're just sticking to tradition here!

MADshadowman

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

we need client-side swapping with a minimal cooldown (100 - 200 ms) to prevent super fast macro swaps. This would make swapping more responsive and should prevent unfair use.

Salkand

I love being locked out of swap, who needs 2nd bar anyways?

I voted against changing this back, despite never having been on the PTS. Why? Because you made a horribly one sided poll in an attempt to sway people to voting your way. Or as an attempt at sarcasm. Either way, there you go.

Teargrants

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

Salkand wrote: »

I voted against changing this back, despite never having been on the PTS. Why? Because you made a horribly one sided poll in an attempt to sway people to voting your way. Or as an attempt at sarcasm. Either way, there you go.

Most polling is about asking biased questions or selectively interpreting results, at least I'm upfront about it.

It's not really a one sided question for anyone who's been on the PTS and tried to press wep swap twice.

RSram

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

Salkand wrote: »

I voted against changing this back, despite never having been on the PTS. Why? Because you made a horribly one sided poll in an attempt to sway people to voting your way. Or as an attempt at sarcasm. Either way, there you go.

Yea, I have to agree with you, but I still got suckered to comment. I need to slow down and smell the roses before posting comments.

Majic

Potato. I haven't been on PTS.

I voted Potato, and I stand by my decision!

wraith808

I love being locked out of swap, who needs 2nd bar anyways?

Salkand wrote: »

I voted against changing this back, despite never having been on the PTS. Why? Because you made a horribly one sided poll in an attempt to sway people to voting your way. Or as an attempt at sarcasm. Either way, there you go.

This. Why is this even a poll?

Dragath

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

cd on swap is horrible.

FallenProphet

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

Please /feedback on PTS so ZOS actually gets the memo, k thnx.

Valen_Byte

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

You should all know how Zo$ works by now...You have to tell them that you love the CD and that they should keep it...that way, they will take it away : )

Micallef

Potato. I haven't been on PTS.

Coming to a store near you soon: weapon swap CD remover.
Let's face it, they can't fix their terrible design decisions so they hide it quickly before all the consolekiddies come streaming in. I'm glad I don't have to pay for this incompetence anymore.

Enodoc

At least with a cooldown, you know that you're in it. There have been many times when I've tried to swap weapons and it says "you can't do that now". Although I expect this hasn't actually fixed that.

Drazhar14

I love being locked out of swap, who needs 2nd bar anyways?

1 second might be a bit long, but there needs to be a brief lock. Reason being, sometimes I accidentally swap bars twice when there is lag/delay and end up staying on the same bar, using the wrong skill, and dying in those high level vet dungeons.

Teargrants

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

"Cannot swap wep now" is a completely separate bug, only dodge rolling fixes it - and it's totally still in 1.6.

The problem with the cooldown is you literally have to stop what you're doing for a sec and consciously think "wait cooldown, swap wep", when you're in execute range and need to swap to healing ward, that's gonna get you killed.

Swap has a 1 sec lockout (literally, a lock icon appears on the swap icon), performing any ability also brings up the lock icon (shorter duration). This means you can't chain [ability] -> [swap] -> [ability] -> [swap] in a smooth 1 sec rotation, instead when you really need to swap bars for an ability (heal), if you've just used an ability, you end up locked out when you press swap -> wep doesn't swap -> you've already pressed the key for your heal because you were counting on swap to work -> you use wrong ability on original bar -> swap locked out from ability use -> repeat until you stop to consciously think "wait cooldown, swap wep".

What I am saying is, the muscle memory that's been ingrained into you for a year will get you killed now.

Uviryth

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

Well, in all honesty, thats a game-killer for me if that one stays.

Enodoc

I suppose a good thing about this is that it will go some way towards scuppering macro-swaps. But it should be 1/2 second at most.

Kevingway

Not going to vote in a biased poll, but the solution is to let us cancel abilities by weapon swapping. I get irritated with either system when I'm in the middle of an attack animation and can't swap because it simply won't let me, then I'm forced to mash the swap until it's successful, and boop! there I went swapping weapons twice in a row by accident. I'll press the button once when that's all it takes, so for right now, I feel the cooldown is necessary.

GrimMauKin

Potato. I haven't been on PTS.

1 second might be a bit long, but there needs to be a brief lock. Reason being, sometimes I accidentally swap bars twice when there is lag/delay and end up staying on the same bar, using the wrong skill, and dying in those high level vet dungeons.

I get this so often! A while back I posted suggesting that a better option than weapon swap (to solve this particular issue) might simply to be to bind each weapon/Skills bar to a single key, that way if it's unresponsive or laggy and you're hammering away at the keys, at least your end up with the weapon/bar you want (eventually).

eliisra

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

I wouldn't say it's one second, slightly less on PTS. Still annoying.

I'm against any form of cool-down on weap swap. It kills gameplay, fun and flexibility for me. I'm forced to slot certain crucial skills on both bars. Also the case on live, but due to latency, cant swap now blah-blah and unresponsiveness.

We already have such limited space for skills, with all the damn toggles. If they cant make weapon swap smooth and instant, they might as well remove it and give us 10 skill slot to keybind.

Enodoc

GrimMauKin wrote: »

1 second might be a bit long, but there needs to be a brief lock. Reason being, sometimes I accidentally swap bars twice when there is lag/delay and end up staying on the same bar, using the wrong skill, and dying in those high level vet dungeons.

I get this so often! A while back I posted suggesting that a better option than weapon swap (to solve this particular issue) might simply to be to bind each weapon/Skills bar to a single key, that way if it's unresponsive or laggy and you're hammering away at the keys, at least your end up with the weapon/bar you want (eventually).

Binding each bar to its own key is also added in 1.6, so that at least addresses that suggestion.

starkerealm

I love being locked out of swap, who needs 2nd bar anyways?

Enodoc wrote: »

I suppose a good thing about this is that it will go some way towards scuppering macro-swaps. But it should be 1/2 second at most.

It's not a full second. From looking at it on PTS right now, what happens is: once you start swapping weapons, you can't swap back until you've fully drawn the weapon. Which takes... I'm going to guess about a quarter second, maybe a half. So you can't draw your weapon, fire an ability and then swap back in less time than you would have to finish the actual draw animation.

As far as I can tell this will only affect players using macros. Anyone who's swapping out because they need something on the other bar should be fine.

TehMagnus

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

Well people didn't like the bar switching, so they made it worst.
GG

Valn

Get rid of CD, keep swap as is.

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

starkerealm

I love being locked out of swap, who needs 2nd bar anyways?

Valn wrote: »

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

Well, they weren't thinking, "I'm going to slap a full second cooldown on your bar everytime you switch weapons," because that's not the behavior in game.

AlnilamE

I'd vote Potato, but I have been on PTS.

I was just having so much fun on my main bar that I didn't think to swap...

Will have to give that a try this evening.

Jahosefat

I love being locked out of swap, who needs 2nd bar anyways?

starkerealm wrote: »

...affect players using macros.

This is the only reason I'm not very upset by it. It certainly hinders placing a buff on an "off" bar (which may have affected some classes more than others) so I don't like it for that. I guess I should have gone with "potato".

Enodoc

starkerealm wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

I suppose a good thing about this is that it will go some way towards scuppering macro-swaps. But it should be 1/2 second at most.

It's not a full second. From looking at it on PTS right now, what happens is: once you start swapping weapons, you can't swap back until you've fully drawn the weapon. Which takes... I'm going to guess about a quarter second, maybe a half. So you can't draw your weapon, fire an ability and then swap back in less time than you would have to finish the actual draw animation.

As far as I can tell this will only affect players using macros. Anyone who's swapping out because they need something on the other bar should be fine.

Ah well in that case I have no issue with it.