Eso going B2P how are you going to FIX LAG in Cyrodi LAAAAAAAAAAAAG

DaggerfallTradeMasters

So today on EU TB another huge lag fest at Chalman.
Lets not even mention there were like 80vs 80 people not that many imo.
Game is going B2P like 1000000 new players will join perhaps even more how are these servers going to handle it?

Enemy spamming Impulse to safe keep you cant siege anymore they repair keep is safe while you can only stand and watch.

Seriously i am getting eunogh of this just like my friends did my friend list is drying up quicker then ever before.

And believe me i am not the only one who thinks this!

Roechacca

I don't think they're going to fix things in time to keep a PVP player base . They've been hemmoriging Subscriptions all year .

LonePirate

Has the animation/scripting of the guards at the transitus shrines in the keeps been investigated? Every time I go afk for several minutes while at or near a keep's transitus shrine (even at lightly travelled ones), I experience a temporary performance issue when I return.

I know we scoffed at the deer's impact on performance, but maybe these guards should be investigated as well. I don't want the guards removed, though. However, I would not have any complaints if their hand waving animation was ceased.

Ghostbane

You not see the business model? When it goes B2P, pay a subscription for no lag.

Just you wait..

c0rp

I believe removing all the wolves will be the next step...

Roechacca

I believe removing me will be the next step . Hope they fix this game . I absolutely love it when it's working and balanced .

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

We'll be keeping a very close eye on Cyrodiil campaign performance and population when Tamriel Unlimited goes live, and adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed.

Huntler

Give healing springs the wall of elements treatment. Only 1 up at a time, buff it accordingly.


GG

MormondPayne_EP

Wow, really, "...adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed."

That's not what I would call fixing the issue. That's more like using s bandaid to fix a missing limb.

I have no words.

Elsonso

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We'll be keeping a very close eye on Cyrodiil campaign performance and population when Tamriel Unlimited goes live, and adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed.

I would feel a lot more comfortable about lag in Cyrodiil if a repeat of the Peons Vs Devs PVP event resulted in much better performance.

Any chance those problems will be fixed on PTS and a second event scheduled?

We should be allowed to break your server again.

DaggerfallTradeMasters

Awesome i got a Zos reaction look i love that you actually read forums threads but the game got only worse imo.

I remember the beta with hundreds of people fighting each other with out lag but every update it got worse and worse.....

Even the PTS event was lagged out that has to say something just be fair!
I just hope it will be fixed soon (half year or something) Otherwise i think i am out

Ezareth

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Wow, really, "...adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed."

That's not what I would call fixing the issue. That's more like using s bandaid to fix a missing limb.

I have no words.

What would you rather they say?

"We've been aware of the true cause of Cyrodiil lag all these months but we've been holding back on the fix until enough players quit over the performance issues to justify pushing it to live"

It's obvious to pretty much everyone that they aren't able to *fix* performance in Cyrodiil short of forcing segregation of the population and campaigns. Removing deer and spell effects can only get you so far.

IMO, as long as they have the hardware capacity to create new campaigns for us (and haven't provisioned all of the servers for the Console release to save on capital expenses) then that's as much as any of us should hope for.

Columba

Increasing aoe may help. However, more actions should be taken to penalize aoe lagspamming.

Roechacca

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We'll be keeping a very close eye on Cyrodiil campaign performance and population when Tamriel Unlimited goes live, and adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed.

In other words some time in March .

Sallington

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We'll be keeping a very close eye on Cyrodiil campaign performance and population when Tamriel Unlimited goes live, and adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed.

This is possibly the worst response we could have received. Opening new servers is only a fix if the ones that exists are constantly pop-locked with deep queues, and lowering the population caps is a terrible "fix" to poor server performance.

So basically don't ever expect any type of increased optimization or performance fixes for Cyrodil?

WraithAzraiel

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We'll be keeping a very close eye on Cyrodiil campaign performance and population when Tamriel Unlimited goes live, and adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed.

I think beefing up the server hardware to handle the loads better would be a better route to go in regards to these problems.

Gooey

ZOS says that they'll fix this stuff but lets be honest, it's never going to happen. Last Cyrodiil fix that was somewhat good is when they reduced the lag so that skills would actually work and weapons would swap.

PainfulFAFA

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We'll be keeping a very close eye on Cyrodiil campaign performance and population when Tamriel Unlimited goes live, and adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed.

So for now you'll just leave pvp as it is while it slowly deteriorates and wait more months until TU come out to cash in...

Junipus

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We'll be keeping a very close eye on Cyrodiil campaign performance and population when Tamriel Unlimited goes live, and adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed.

Adjusting (i.e. reducing) population will kill the game quicker.

Adding new campaigns won't make any difference. We had lag during the old PvP structure with 8 campaigns.

The only sensible hope you have is that the changes to AoE caps in 1.6 will translate effortlessly into the live server, otherwise it's the final nail in the coffin of hopeful growth.

Armitas

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We'll be keeping a very close eye on Cyrodiil campaign performance and population when Tamriel Unlimited goes live, and adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed.

Dawnbreaker should be the first one opened. Viva la dawnbreaker.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Wow, really, "...adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed."

That's not what I would call fixing the issue. That's more like using s bandaid to fix a missing limb.

I have no words.

We're still continuing the ongoing back-end Cyrodiil performance evaluation and improvements. That effort won't end when we switch to Tamriel Unlimited. Adjusting campaign population and/or opening new campaigns if needed will be tied to the possible overall increase in Cyrodiil population.

Ezareth

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Wow, really, "...adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed."

That's not what I would call fixing the issue. That's more like using s bandaid to fix a missing limb.

I have no words.

We're still continuing the ongoing back-end Cyrodiil performance evaluation and improvements. That effort won't end when we switch to Tamriel Unlimited. Adjusting campaign population and/or opening new campaigns if needed will be tied to the possible overall increase in Cyrodiil population.

All of your recent efforts from what I've seen have been front-end, not back end.
What's being removed from Cyrodiil next? Clouds? Trees? Smaller inzone texture-maps?

The population in Cyrodiil has steadily been declining since the days of Wabbajack 1.0, yet performance is on par with that or worse.

Hell I'd be happy just have weapon swap be 100% reliable and accurate, yet even in PTS (after what is it the third or fourth weapon swap rewrite?) I still find an inconsistent and unacceptable delay when attempting to swap weapons.

They need to just do away with the weapon swap code completely and institute some form of command queuing. Having to wait on an uncertain variable server response before being able to issue your next command in a real time PvP game is just unacceptable.

Grim13

I don't want to be the bearer of bad news here... but the lag is never going away.

I think this is something we're all going to have to come to terms with if we want to keep playing this game.

Poxheart

The answer to the OPs question is, "never."

sKorcheD

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Wow, really, "...adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed."

That's not what I would call fixing the issue. That's more like using s bandaid to fix a missing limb.

I have no words.

We're still continuing the ongoing back-end Cyrodiil performance evaluation and improvements. That effort won't end when we switch to Tamriel Unlimited. Adjusting campaign population and/or opening new campaigns if needed will be tied to the possible overall increase in Cyrodiil population.

All of your recent efforts from what I've seen have been front-end, not back end.
What's being removed from Cyrodiil next? Clouds? Trees? Smaller inzone texture-maps?

The population in Cyrodiil has steadily been declining since the days of Wabbajack 1.0, yet performance is on par with that or worse.

Hell I'd be happy just have weapon swap be 100% reliable and accurate, yet even in PTS (after what is it the third or fourth weapon swap rewrite?) I still find an inconsistent and unacceptable delay when attempting to swap weapons.

They need to just do away with the weapon swap code completely and institute some form of command queuing. Having to wait on an uncertain variable server response before being able to issue your next command in a real time PvP game is just unacceptable.

This x1000. I love this game but how do some of these bugs make it to pts or live?

Lionxoft

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Wow, really, "...adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed."

That's not what I would call fixing the issue. That's more like using s bandaid to fix a missing limb.

I have no words.

We're still continuing the ongoing back-end Cyrodiil performance evaluation and improvements. That effort won't end when we switch to Tamriel Unlimited. Adjusting campaign population and/or opening new campaigns if needed will be tied to the possible overall increase in Cyrodiil population.

Population won't matter if you don't increase the xp rewards which translates to champion points in PvP. I thought you all were revisiting the xp reward or was that another lie? Just wonderin'.

Sacadon

I just want to know what they changed that made it so much less performant, if it wasn't the lighting update that is. They know what changed. So I'm not exactly sure what the mystery is about.

And if so many have left the game but perf hasn't improved then it makes me think they keep winding down server resources and why we don't see any improvement.

ThyIronFist

There will be an option in the crown store that will remove lag. Not satisfied?

Buy the pre-June patch lighting pack for only 5000 crowns and enjoy Cyrodiil at 60 fps again!

Kuro1n

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Wow, really, "...adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed."

That's not what I would call fixing the issue. That's more like using s bandaid to fix a missing limb.

I have no words.

We're still continuing the ongoing back-end Cyrodiil performance evaluation and improvements. That effort won't end when we switch to Tamriel Unlimited. Adjusting campaign population and/or opening new campaigns if needed will be tied to the possible overall increase in Cyrodiil population.

For real? You are not giving us PVPers new content and saying that is because you are working on performance but overall we're not seeing any performance increase really are we (now we have issues both with latency and FPS, cool)? At this point I am starting to wonder if what we're seeing is latency issues because of lacking hardware or because the software is not written well enough or a combination. I made a thread with a video in the customer support about the current state of affairs and so far it seems it ain't getting any better with the update (will include link at the end of this post), and I haven't even gotten any response to that thread (funny huh?).

Maybe NA is doing better than EU, but for real. On EU in mass PVP you have not only issues with the FPS but also massively so with latency (spiking 999+ every minute or so), and server performance when you do your AOE skills in a enemy zerg and run away then 5-10 seconds later you see the damage pop up and you start taking damage, it might be that you get rooted and can still run around and other 'funny' things like this.

I mean considering ESO in general will have a fuckloads of more players and we're already lagging and getting kicked in every major city/zone with cyrodiil being even worse and the only thing you are saying is that you will keep an eye on performance and adjust population and campaigns? Sounds pretty weak to me.

Now add to this that you can't really keep up to people PVE'ing when doing PVP as it is now and you will fall behind in power, why can't you increase the PVP EXP by like 10x (or some such) and people can actually spend time PVPing and doing what they enjoy instead of being forced to grind *** and get burnt out?

Here is the thread I am talking about:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1547075

And here is the video (for anyone too lazy to open the thread):
http://www.hitbox.tv/video/408420

EDIT: The issue is not on my end either as playing on times other than primetime I am not having these issues and my connection is a 100/100 fibre connection and my computer hardware is i5 4690k 4.5Ghz OC, 16GB ram and a R9 290x Tri-X.

Speedtest result:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/4122606741.png

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kevlarto_ESO

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We'll be keeping a very close eye on Cyrodiil campaign performance and population when Tamriel Unlimited goes live, and adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed.

I think beefing up the server hardware to handle the loads better would be a better route to go in regards to these problems.

I agree, no action on new campaigns no one is going there, Azure's star is a waste of recourses right now, I guess we will have to wait and see

NukeAllTheThings

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We'll be keeping a very close eye on Cyrodiil campaign performance and population when Tamriel Unlimited goes live, and adjusting population and/or opening new campaigns if needed.

I appreciate the update even though it is not what I want to hear. I believe it is time for you guys to do something different. Performance issues have been constant for months now and "keeping a close eye" on it has produced no results. The meltdown the week before last on the PTS that you guys experienced was not a one off deal and it was not isolated because the server was small. That type of performance is a daily occurrence. You have tried to adjusting population, reduce particle effects and remove wildlife and that hasn't helped. Now you are saying that adjusting population again and/or opening new campaigns could be the next course of action.

It is painfully obvious that the initial vision of large scale siege and combat with 200 people on the screen will never be realized with the technology you have deployed. It is sad, but there is opportunity here. It is time to introduce the 4v4v4 Arena you guys showed at Quakecon. This is not the answer to the lag problems but it is a much better choice than opening new campaigns and "adjusting population".

With those 2 courses of action alone you are doing nothing but thinning out the masses and creating new buff servers while giving PVP'rs nothing. Adding Arena is your real solution to new campaigns and adjusting population while giving the players something new. Players have been begging for duels and something small scale. This is the opportunity to add something that gives players value and add to their experience while thinning out the population. You have the assets already created, it is time to do it.

twitch.tv/bethesda/b/548441906