Veteran Ranks on console? Prepare for bad reviews round 2!

JD2013

LadyDestiny wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

Players complaining about veteran ranks just want everyone to be on the same level, regardless of playing time. That's not the way it is, nor should it be. Someone who installed ESO two days ago shouldn't be anywhere near the level of someone who has been playing for a year. In EVE Online, for example, if you installed it today, you will never catch up to those who have been playing for years. Put in the time, earn the ranks and gear like everyone else had to, and stop whining.

Totally agree with this. Problem is that gamers nowadays have the "I want it now" attitude. Mmo's are suppose to be a grind toward leveling. Its all about enjoying the story and lore, working towards the end and accomplishment. Not max level in a few days and then complaining because you have nothing to do. Those players need to go play a single player game and be done with it....

Agree too.

Veteran Ranks levels, whilst unpopular amongst some people are the point of an MMO rather than having everything now now now.

Whatever happened to working towards something? If you want to be as good as the top tier people you have to work for it. This isn't WoW where you can pay to be an instant high level.

I_killed_Vivec

" still faced with a grueling grind to VR14"

Well no. You don't have to do it if you don't want to, just like you don't have to grind CP.

Of course you won't be as competitive, but then you won't be as competitive until you have those 200 or 300 CP.

And if you manage to get those 200CP then you will have also gained VR14 - without even trying! Just by playing the game!

As ever, it's the stand off between progression (I want to get better) and being competitive (I don't want other people getting better).

By the way, we knew that the console release would have VR. It's one of the more believable things ZoS said - console and PC would be aligned and then all updates (including DLC) would be performed in parallel. I don't think VR are a threat to the console release, particularly compared to the lunacy of allowing VR14s, fully geared up and with their pockets stuffed with gold, potions, food, tempers and materials, to copy over onto console. I wonder how the game will look with a superclass whose members have 200CP more than the console newbies will ever have. How long will it take that imbalance to iron out?

Kalifas

Reviews on console ESO should start releasing this week. Let's see if ZoS learned from their mistakes and blow critics away or get reamed in the critical world. I have questioned some of the immersion over accessibility decisions. Hope it goes good so the game gets more players.

c0rp

Hopefully they will remove them before half the console base quits because of VR..like what happened with the PC

Tors

Rioht wrote: »

their player bases expectations. One of those expectations being the removal of veteran ranks as stated.

No, that is your expectation. You do not talk for me

Rioht wrote: »

This was the one chance ESO had to bring their game to a new market and say "Hey, we know we messed up with the old system and we know it drove a lot of you away

Again, there is nothing wrong with the system of levels, not the VR levels which just mean 51+ nor the system that means level 58 is stronger than level 14

Rioht wrote: »

one of the biggest issues with the game is still there

For you

Rioht wrote: »

still faced with a grueling grind to VR14

Find a game that suits you, dont try to change a game that does not



I am happy with ESO, I have no wish to leapfrog to the END GAME (tm) and I see no reason why those who are at VR14 (Multiple times, it must be hard....) should see their characters "brought in line" with people who have not put time into the game.

Find a game that suits you, preferably one of the simpler player v player, like Streetfighter"!! Everyone was exactly the same there. It should suit you.


The players willing to put time into their characters generally play for years. The kids who want instant gratification tend to go to the next new game to come out.

Not hard to see which one of the two camps is actually worth marketing a game at

mklundub17_ESO

There are people on other forums who have no plans to ever play ESO for the console, they simply copied their characters over with excess gold in order to SELL the gold to new console players or give it to friends who are going to play on console. That's simply lack of foresight in allowing gold transfers with no caps, that will prevent many potential long term players from continuing to play or even play in the first place after learning of this allowed duping.

Tors

mklundub17_ESO wrote: »

There are people on other forums who have no plans to ever play ESO for the console, they simply copied their characters over with excess gold in order to SELL the gold to new console players or give it to friends who are going to play on console. That's simply lack of foresight in allowing gold transfers with no caps, that will prevent many potential long term players from continuing to play or even play in the first place after learning of this allowed duping.

Lucky then that there is very little need for gold in the actual game.

For all intents and purposes, the difference between what a character with 100k gold and a character with 20 million gold can do is minimal.

If you want to go buy gear at stupid prices on an Auction House then maybe, but thats your choice to save time rather than getting it yourself

Funkopotamus

dharbert wrote: »

Players complaining about veteran ranks just want everyone to be on the same level, regardless of playing time. That's not the way it is, nor should it be. Someone who installed ESO two days ago shouldn't be anywhere near the level of someone who has been playing for a year. In EVE Online, for example, if you installed it today, you will never catch up to those who have been playing for years. Put in the time, earn the ranks and gear like everyone else had to, and stop whining.

Here is the thing tho. Some of us have played on pc and also I for one had xbox version reserved at gamestop since LAST JUNE when it was first canceled....

At that time there was NO plan to allow TRANSFERS! Now just because the game flopped and lost sub fee/players the only way to survive is to force the players wanting a fresh game to play with neckbeards that want to shove maxed characters down peoples throats in a game that end game centers around a broken PvP system.

I ask you how in the heck is that anywhere near fair lol.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Tors wrote: »

The players willing to put time into their characters generally play for years. The kids who want instant gratification tend to go to the next new game to come out.

Not hard to see which one of the two camps is actually worth marketing a game at

Actually, since they made the subscription fee optional, I think the most lucrative market would be those kids. They buy the game, play it for a while, get bored and move on. No customer support issues, no demands for new content, no requests for better balancing, no drama. Just easy quick cash from people who will never even reach VR ranks.

Veridiano02

So, ok, VR get removed. And then... We change that for Champions points that are given to you by the magic tooth fairy. Because that's not grinding at all. It's not like we need XP points to get champions points or anything...

Also, not Cadwell's silver and gold, because that's boring grinding... So... Once we reached lvl 50... We do... Nothing. Just grind and grind in Coldharbour waiting for a dungeon. We do the dungeon. And then repeat. Wait unitl you reach 50 points to go to Craglorn (in dungeons can take years, specially in random ones).

Or even better. We give you lvls from 50 to 72. So, if you're not lvl 72 (wich actually needs 10.000.000 of XP from lvl 50, whics is... Surprise! The same amount of XP you need to reach VR10).... Sorry, no dungeons for you, because what we once called "Veteran dungeons" are now all for lvl 72. Wops. So yes, make that only lvl 50 dungeon for the rest of your days until you reach lvl 55, then you can repeat even more another one, and then you reach lvl 60... But this is not grinding. I'm having so much fun!!!!

But don't worry. You'll loose the opportunity to reach ALL THE ENDGAME CONTENT at VR1, also, you'll loose 2/3 of the game. But I'm sure that will be more funny.

Do I really need to say anything more, or do you realize how stupid this whole "Veteran ranks suckz!!!!" nerd rage actually is? I'm tanking dragonstar arenas with a Dragonknight VR2. Something I can't do if they remove VR. So, stop crying and go to play... I don't know. Something else.

Minack

Tors wrote: »

Rioht wrote: »

their player bases expectations. One of those expectations being the removal of veteran ranks as stated.

No, that is your expectation. You do not talk for me

Rioht wrote: »

This was the one chance ESO had to bring their game to a new market and say "Hey, we know we messed up with the old system and we know it drove a lot of you away

Again, there is nothing wrong with the system of levels, not the VR levels which just mean 51+ nor the system that means level 58 is stronger than level 14

Rioht wrote: »

one of the biggest issues with the game is still there

For you

Rioht wrote: »

still faced with a grueling grind to VR14

Find a game that suits you, dont try to change a game that does not



I am happy with ESO, I have no wish to leapfrog to the END GAME (tm) and I see no reason why those who are at VR14 (Multiple times, it must be hard....) should see their characters "brought in line" with people who have not put time into the game.

Find a game that suits you, preferably one of the simpler player v player, like Streetfighter"!! Everyone was exactly the same there. It should suit you.


The players willing to put time into their characters generally play for years. The kids who want instant gratification tend to go to the next new game to come out.

Not hard to see which one of the two camps is actually worth marketing a game at

Bookmarking this post for future laughs.

technohic

JD2013 wrote: »

LadyDestiny wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

Players complaining about veteran ranks just want everyone to be on the same level, regardless of playing time. That's not the way it is, nor should it be. Someone who installed ESO two days ago shouldn't be anywhere near the level of someone who has been playing for a year. In EVE Online, for example, if you installed it today, you will never catch up to those who have been playing for years. Put in the time, earn the ranks and gear like everyone else had to, and stop whining.

Totally agree with this. Problem is that gamers nowadays have the "I want it now" attitude. Mmo's are suppose to be a grind toward leveling. Its all about enjoying the story and lore, working towards the end and accomplishment. Not max level in a few days and then complaining because you have nothing to do. Those players need to go play a single player game and be done with it....

Agree too.

Veteran Ranks levels, whilst unpopular amongst some people are the point of an MMO rather than having everything now now now.

Whatever happened to working towards something? If you want to be as good as the top tier people you have to work for it. This isn't WoW where you can pay to be an instant high level.

You do have a point but at some point, you may just have rolled a class and already have been doing as much as the "top tier people" but maybe your class is not working well, it is bugged, or it just isn't what you found you wanted to be. You then either stick with it or start over again and thats just not very apealing when you already have done the content once and may not have enjoyed it all that much to begin with. Particularly when we use the term "work" in a video game.

To that point, I do like veteran levels better than the idea of champion points where whether it is intended to or not, always have you "working" toward more. I like the plateaus where there is a chance to enjoy the payoff of that "work" rather than feel compelled to always keep "working."

RinaldoGandolphi

Veridiano02 wrote: »

So, ok, VR get removed. And then... We change that for Champions points that are given to you by the magic tooth fairy. Because that's not grinding at all. It's not like we need XP points to get champions points or anything...

Also, not Cadwell's silver and gold, because that's boring grinding... So... Once we reached lvl 50... We do... Nothing. Just grind and grind in Coldharbour waiting for a dungeon. We do the dungeon. And then repeat. Wait unitl you reach 50 points to go to Craglorn (in dungeons can take years, specially in random ones).

Or even better. We give you lvls from 50 to 72. So, if you're not lvl 72 (wich actually needs 10.000.000 of XP from lvl 50, whics is... Surprise! The same amount of XP you need to reach VR10).... Sorry, no dungeons for you, because what we once called "Veteran dungeons" are now all for lvl 72. Wops. So yes, make that only lvl 50 dungeon for the rest of your days until you reach lvl 55, then you can repeat even more another one, and then you reach lvl 60... But this is not grinding. I'm having so much fun!!!!

But don't worry. You'll loose the opportunity to reach ALL THE ENDGAME CONTENT at VR1, also, you'll loose 2/3 of the game. But I'm sure that will be more funny.

Do I really need to say anything more, or do you realize how stupid this whole "Veteran ranks suckz!!!!" nerd rage actually is? I'm tanking dragonstar arenas with a Dragonknight VR2. Something I can't do if they remove VR. So, stop crying and go to play... I don't know. Something else.

VR should have been removed a long time ago. I'll explain in simple terms:

"The last level should have been 50 and game progression should have been based on new content, new areas, new crafting materials, new dungeons,and new pvp content"

There was no reason to add another 14 levels that take an absurd amount of experience to accomplish. ZOS just didn't want to add new content to the game and instead wanted you to be forced with a grind that would take a long time to keep you subbed, it is what it is.

The huge part of the population imbalances in PVP, especially DC barely able to lock 1 campaign at prime time compared to AD and EP able to lock 3. Other players won't re-roll because of the darn vet grind rank that is an arbitrary restiction of time put in front of these people that they simply don't have, so Dc will continue to be stuck fight 3 and 4 to one odds all the time because of the vet rank.

I have had MANY EP people tell me if it wasn't for the Vet rank, they would move to DC to even pop and help our guilds, but no way they are spending that kinda time to grind a toon, its time they simply don't have...its painful.

Level 50 should have been the last level, and game progression should have been based around content, new areas, new crafting materials, new gear, new dungeons, and new pvp content...but ya know...that takes time, money and effort which obvioudly didn't want to be spent.So we got an awful Vet rank system instead.

BuggeX

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Veridiano02 wrote: »

So, ok, VR get removed. And then... We change that for Champions points that are given to you by the magic tooth fairy. Because that's not grinding at all. It's not like we need XP points to get champions points or anything...

Also, not Cadwell's silver and gold, because that's boring grinding... So... Once we reached lvl 50... We do... Nothing. Just grind and grind in Coldharbour waiting for a dungeon. We do the dungeon. And then repeat. Wait unitl you reach 50 points to go to Craglorn (in dungeons can take years, specially in random ones).

Or even better. We give you lvls from 50 to 72. So, if you're not lvl 72 (wich actually needs 10.000.000 of XP from lvl 50, whics is... Surprise! The same amount of XP you need to reach VR10).... Sorry, no dungeons for you, because what we once called "Veteran dungeons" are now all for lvl 72. Wops. So yes, make that only lvl 50 dungeon for the rest of your days until you reach lvl 55, then you can repeat even more another one, and then you reach lvl 60... But this is not grinding. I'm having so much fun!!!!

But don't worry. You'll loose the opportunity to reach ALL THE ENDGAME CONTENT at VR1, also, you'll loose 2/3 of the game. But I'm sure that will be more funny.

Do I really need to say anything more, or do you realize how stupid this whole "Veteran ranks suckz!!!!" nerd rage actually is? I'm tanking dragonstar arenas with a Dragonknight VR2. Something I can't do if they remove VR. So, stop crying and go to play... I don't know. Something else.

VR should have been removed a long time ago. I'll explain in simple terms:

"The last level should have been 50 and game progression should have been based on new content, new areas, new crafting materials, new dungeons,and new pvp content"

There was no reason to add another 14 levels that take an absurd amount of experience to accomplish. ZOS just didn't want to add new content to the game and instead wanted you to be forced with a grind that would take a long time to keep you subbed, it is what it is.

The huge part of the population imbalances in PVP, especially DC barely able to lock 1 campaign at prime time compared to AD and EP able to lock 3. Other players won't re-roll because of the darn vet grind rank that is an arbitrary restiction of time put in front of these people that they simply don't have, so Dc will continue to be stuck fight 3 and 4 to one odds all the time because of the vet rank.

I have had MANY EP people tell me if it wasn't for the Vet rank, they would move to DC to even pop and help our guilds, but no way they are spending that kinda time to grind a toon, its time they simply don't have...its painful.

Level 50 should have been the last level, and game progression should have been based around content, new areas, new crafting materials, new gear, new dungeons, and new pvp content...but ya know...that takes time, money and effort which obvioudly didn't want to be spent.So we got an awful Vet rank system instead.

For the PVP issues, stop blaming Vetlvls, better Blame the retarted Campjumper....


Its like saying we should *** make worldpace, a world without egoism, capitalism and dictators, yea thats is it, lets do so.
How cool would it be, a word without money? noone has to do nothing for anything, you just get ALLLL you want, by nothing....

yea thats it is, this is how our world works

Rioht

Tors wrote: »

Rioht wrote: »

their player bases expectations. One of those expectations being the removal of veteran ranks as stated.

No, that is your expectation. You do not talk for me

Rioht wrote: »

This was the one chance ESO had to bring their game to a new market and say "Hey, we know we messed up with the old system and we know it drove a lot of you away

Again, there is nothing wrong with the system of levels, not the VR levels which just mean 51+ nor the system that means level 58 is stronger than level 14

Rioht wrote: »

one of the biggest issues with the game is still there

For you

Rioht wrote: »

still faced with a grueling grind to VR14

Find a game that suits you, dont try to change a game that does not



I am happy with ESO, I have no wish to leapfrog to the END GAME (tm) and I see no reason why those who are at VR14 (Multiple times, it must be hard....) should see their characters "brought in line" with people who have not put time into the game.

Find a game that suits you, preferably one of the simpler player v player, like Streetfighter"!! Everyone was exactly the same there. It should suit you.


The players willing to put time into their characters generally play for years. The kids who want instant gratification tend to go to the next new game to come out.

Not hard to see which one of the two camps is actually worth marketing a game at

OP here.

First off, I would like to state that I originally posted this back when it was announced that VR would be included in the console version.

My post is not a direct attack on VR. I personally prefer a system that encourages horizontal customization/building of characters versus vertical xp grinds. That being said, I would accept the game with either VR or without, happily.

The issue I was raising with my post, is not a direct critique of the VR system. I was merely pointing out that there were a lot of negative issues that arose from the general player population. To those that disagree that the majority of players felt this, you are merely ignorant. ZoS acknowledged that the majority of players were unhappy with VR when they announced the removal of that system. There is no further argument here of whether the player base wanted or didn't want VR's removed.

Rather, my post was made to outline the misguided approach ZoS took in releasing the console version without first removing the VR ranks. The issue I present is PURELY in terms of having a included a poorly received system in game, fully knowing it will change just a few months down the road.

My guess is that this will not sit well with console players who were not aware of this change beforehand.

Does it make a large impact? Not really, as players will still have their CP.

However, I promise you there will be a ****storm of reviews when VR are removed, if ever.

Guessing this thread will be necro'd again at that time, so I'll be back then.

cozmon3c_ESO

The issue with VR levels is that the main story has ended at lvl 50, the mages and fighters guilds stories have ended at 50. This leaves you with quests from a faction you were told to hate because they were trying to take over your lands just to be thrown in there country and be all goody two shoes with them. this is what has ruined the game for most people. This is why VR needs to go away or add more main story quests to fill in the empty space. Sabotage missions or something.