Is there a thread for tracking the hireling drop rates on the PTS?

firstdecan · January 2015

Wanted to see if anyone is tracking this.

Results tracking for Posterity

My Results (160 Mails)
1x Tempering Alloy
1x Rosin

@‌DeLindsay Results (59 mails)
1x Tempering alloy

DeLindsay · January 2015

Even if there is we'd only have a max of 5-7 days of mails before they reset NA to EU characters. That's not enough time to get accurate values.

EDIT: I'm pointing all my Hirelings right now on all 8 toons. Even though I'm late getting it done it'll give a few days test. I will also refine a bunch of stuff this weekend to check that too.

DeLindsay · January 2015

Alright, oddly my first group of Hirelings already spawned (all but one did). On Live if I check all 8 Characters twice a day for their 3/3 Hirelings I get roughly 10 Legendary Tempurs total and 2-3 Kuta. I don't have Provision Hirelings on all 8 Characters as a reference. The Provision Hirelings I do have more than quadrupled the ingredient delivery from Live. I'm getting stacks of (20) Honey or Small Game as en example on PTS. Here are the results from 1 set of all 8 Hirelings:

1 - Mastic
1 - Tempering Alloy
3 - Rekuta
3 - Grain Solvent
2 - Elegant Lining

That's it from 31 Hirelings (not including Provision, and that one that didn't spawn). One group of Hirelings from all 8 Character is in no way a good reflection of how it will be in 1.6 but this is looking to be disappointing for those of us who spent the time and gold required to level all those professions for the Hirelings to say the least. I'm not against the change, especially if Refining went up dramatically. This weekend I will spend some time farming mats and gold buying some to test Refining a bit as well.

On a side note, the small amount of mats I received in those mails allowed me to do a few small refines. I had 21 Jute and got (2) Dreugh Wax out of those alone. I received no Legendaries for the Ore/Wood I refined from those mails though.

DeLindsay · January 2015

Alright I did some decent testing today and here are my preliminary results. I did all 8 Enchanting Writs and received 3 Survey reports in total. I also farmed for hours both Aspect Runes (checking for Kuta drop rates) and Ore/Wood/Cloth to refine for Legendary Temper drops rates. For Enchanting I have 4/4 Aspect Improvement, 3/3 Hireling and 3/3 Runestone Extraction on all 8 Characters. My Refining Character has 3/3 for BS/Cloth/WW for Extraction.

3 Enchanting Surveys: 7 total Aspect Nodes (0 Kuta, 0 Rekuta).
Rune farming: 39 total Aspect Nodes (0 Kuta, 4 Rekuta).
40 Maple: 0 Epic/Legendary.
50 Iron: 0 Epic/Legendary.
20 Jute: 2 Dreugh Wax, 0 Epic.
10 Rawhide: 0 Epic/Legendary.
120 Nightwood: 0 Epic/Legendary.
300 Void Bloom: 0 Epic/Legendary.
290 Voidstone: 1 Tempering Alloy, 1 Grain Solvent.
Total: 83 Refines = 3 Legendary, 1 Epic.
Total 2: 46 Aspect Nodes = 0 Kuta, 4 Rekuta.

This is by no means an encompassing test but it's a start. The problem is what ZoS considers "significant". For all we know they could have buffed Kuta from 1% to 2% from Rune Nodes and are calling that significant. I can still remember when we would get almost 1 Legendary per stack of Refined material. I will farm more this weekend and update with both my Hireling results and further Refining results. Hopefully ZoS just swapped the 2 mechanics. In that, all 8 Character's worth of Hirelings would bring in about 10 Legendary Tempers per day and 2-3 Kutas (checked twice daily) while Refining had slipped to about 1 Legendary per 2-3 stacks in the last few months and Kuta's seem to be getting more rare via Rune Nodes in the past ~3 months.

If the overall results end up being anything like what I got then we're in for a big surprise market wise when the prices of all Legendary mats go through the roof. It's too early to tell and since it's PTS anything can still change, lets hope it all works out in the end.

s7732425ub17_ESO · January 2015

DeLindsay wrote: »

Alright, oddly my first group of Hirelings already spawned (all but one did). On Live if I check all 8 Characters twice a day for their 3/3 Hirelings I get roughly 10 Legendary Tempurs total and 2-3 Kuta. I don't have Provision Hirelings on all 8 Characters as a reference. The Provision Hirelings I do have more than quadrupled the ingredient delivery from Live. I'm getting stacks of (20) Honey or Small Game as en example on PTS. Here are the results from 1 set of all 8 Hirelings:

1 - Mastic
1 - Tempering Alloy
3 - Rekuta
3 - Grain Solvent
2 - Elegant Lining

That's it from 31 Hirelings (not including Provision, and that one that didn't spawn). One group of Hirelings from all 8 Character is in no way a good reflection of how it will be in 1.6 but this is looking to be disappointing for those of us who spent the time and gold required to level all those professions for the Hirelings to say the least. I'm not against the change, especially if Refining went up dramatically. This weekend I will spend some time farming mats and gold buying some to test Refining a bit as well.

On a side note, the small amount of mats I received in those mails allowed me to do a few small refines. I had 21 Jute and got (2) Dreugh Wax out of those alone. I received no Legendaries for the Ore/Wood I refined from those mails though.

Your post is the perfect example of what ZOS is trying to get rid of. Players getting loads of gold crafting materials for free each and every day for months at a time. This should have been stopped a lot sooner.

DeLindsay · January 2015

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

Your post is the perfect example of what ZOS is trying to get rid of. Players getting loads of gold crafting materials for free each and every day for months at a time. This should have been stopped a lot sooner.

I never said it shouldn't but I 100% guarantee it's not "free" anything. Those of us who worked our a$$ off to get all 8 Characters with all 3/3 Hirelings have had our Hirelings as a reward for our hard work. Granted we've had a good run of rewarding daily mails full of phat lewt, and I'm not against the change, just posting numbers I'm seeing on PTS for others. But saying it's free stuff in the mail is like saying farming the mats yourself is free, but it isn't remotely free as it took you time to farm them.

firstdecan · January 2015

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Alright, oddly my first group of Hirelings already spawned (all but one did). On Live if I check all 8 Characters twice a day for their 3/3 Hirelings I get roughly 10 Legendary Tempurs total and 2-3 Kuta. I don't have Provision Hirelings on all 8 Characters as a reference. The Provision Hirelings I do have more than quadrupled the ingredient delivery from Live. I'm getting stacks of (20) Honey or Small Game as en example on PTS. Here are the results from 1 set of all 8 Hirelings:

1 - Mastic
1 - Tempering Alloy
3 - Rekuta
3 - Grain Solvent
2 - Elegant Lining

That's it from 31 Hirelings (not including Provision, and that one that didn't spawn). One group of Hirelings from all 8 Character is in no way a good reflection of how it will be in 1.6 but this is looking to be disappointing for those of us who spent the time and gold required to level all those professions for the Hirelings to say the least. I'm not against the change, especially if Refining went up dramatically. This weekend I will spend some time farming mats and gold buying some to test Refining a bit as well.

On a side note, the small amount of mats I received in those mails allowed me to do a few small refines. I had 21 Jute and got (2) Dreugh Wax out of those alone. I received no Legendaries for the Ore/Wood I refined from those mails though.

Your post is the perfect example of what ZOS is trying to get rid of. Players getting loads of gold crafting materials for free each and every day for months at a time. This should have been stopped a lot sooner.

I would hardly call this free. I have a VR14, a VR10, a VR2, 3 VR1s, and my last two toons on their way to VR1. All of these toons were levelled by playing through the storylines, not by grinding mobs (although the storylines are a grind after a while too).

But the intention here isn't to just "get stuff for free," it's to see how to best spend character skill points. Getting 8-10 gold mats a day is a bit much, but getting 1-2 is probably reasonable. IMO - ZOS should have kept the drop rate the same until an account got a gold mat, and then subsequent mails on the same account for that 12 hour period would have had a reduced rate. This would have provided single toon accounts with the same chance to get a gold mat, and also then provided the diminishing returns on accounts with multiple crafters.

I will laugh my @$$ off if there's a hireling boost to be bought in the crown store.

DeLindsay · January 2015

firstdecan wrote: »

IMO - ZOS should have kept the drop rate the same until an account got a gold mat, and then subsequent mails on the same account for that 12 hour period would have had a reduced rate. This would have provided single toon accounts with the same chance to get a gold mat, and also then provided the diminishing returns on accounts with multiple crafters.

That's an interesting and I think viable mechanic that ZoS could implement if the "significant" reduction to Hirelings sending Legendary Tempers turns out to be a bust.

DeLindsay · January 2015

2nd half of the first day of Hirelings since I pointing them all on PTS. This is 27/32 Hirelings as 5 didn't spawn, probably just a bug with PTS mail:

3 - Rekuta
2 - Mastic
4 - Grain Solvent

After 1 day of Hirelings (with 6 that didn't spawn) I received:

1 - Legendary Temper
0 - Kuta

Taking my average of ~10 Legendary Tempers and 2-3 Kuta per day (if I check twice per day) this is a massive reduction to the Hireling drop rates while so far I haven't noticed any increase whatsoever in Refining, nor Aspect Node, nor Survey Aspect Node drops rates of Legendary items. Further testing is obviously needed as 1 day could just be a fluke.

firstdecan · January 2015

DeLindsay wrote: »

2nd half of the first day of Hirelings since I pointing them all on PTS. This is 27/32 Hirelings as 5 didn't spawn, probably just a bug with PTS mail:

3 - Rekuta
2 - Mastic
4 - Grain Solvent

After 1 day of Hirelings (with 6 that didn't spawn) I received:

1 - Legendary Temper
0 - Kuta

Taking my average of ~10 Legendary Tempers and 2-3 Kuta per day (if I check twice per day) this is a massive reduction to the Hireling drop rates while so far I haven't noticed any increase whatsoever in Refining, nor Aspect Node, nor Survey Aspect Node drops rates of Legendary items. Further testing is obviously needed as 1 day could just be a fluke.

Thanks @DeLindsay‌ for posting results, I'll try to keep a tally in the OP. I'll also welcome anyone else who wants to post results. Right now we have two sets of anecdotal results for the outcome. More people posting (and tallying) results would be welcome, I will try to keep the OP edited and updated.

I'd be interested in seeing if there is a difference in refining rates as well. I haven't noticed one, but I'm only refining what I get in the mail, that's probably too small of a sample size.

I wonder if there is an easy way to get a ton of ore without farming it, or if someone @ZOS would be kind enough to just let us know what the rates are. If they're going to reload the character data at some point, we could raid the PTS guild banks \ stores right before the reset (since it will be reset anyway, and notice I said the PTS \ non-live game). Just a way to get a ton of ore and see what happens for refining.

I also expect some players are stockpiling ore to refine after the 1.6 go live in anticipation of the increased drop rate from refining, maybe some of those stockpilers would be kind enough to refine after a PTS reset and let us know their results.

newtinmpls · January 2015

In my first group of 8 characters, I put a point into hireling for smithing, clothier, woodworker and enchanting as soon as I could (had them all in by the time any given character was 5-6th level). Only put a single point into each. I note over time the materials get better, and the range which was 1-2 items per delivery has increased to about 1-6 (averaging 3-6). I also note that the delivery times are attached to the time of day I put in the point (I have 3 characters I played pretty much at night at first, and I don't see deliveries until after 6pm on them).

I progress slowly, so about 1/3 of my materials are high enough level that I don't use/wear them (although they are still good to refine, craft, trade & deconstruct). However there seems to be a sequence where they 'work up' thorugh gradually increasing quality/level of materials, so starting up later in the game probably will be rather frustrating.

DeLindsay · January 2015

Guild Stores are there but you cannot purchase anything on PTS, I already tried that route. I was gonna blow all 132K I have on me on PTS to spam Refine a ton of mats but can't. That's why I went out and spent hours farming but it takes a long time to gather stacks upon stacks of mats to Refine. I have a maxed speed Horse + 15% Mounted speed + 15% Sprint speed for my farming set but am a NB so no Steak or Bolt from node to node

EDIT: I will continue to farm/refine and check Hirelings each day until NA gets reset and post results. It won't be a huge testing pool but everything helps.

DeLindsay · February 2015

Round 2 of Refining to see what I could get. I got some help from a Player this time and bought 4 mails worth of their raw mats plus my own to Refine. Here's the results:

(70) Ash, (20) Birch, (140) Maple, (180) Nightwood.
Total = 41 Refines: (3) Mastic, (1) Rosin

(30) Hide, (210) Iron Hide, (10) Leather, (20) Flax, (40) Rawhide, (20) Jute, (10) Kresh, (230) Voidbloom, (30) Shadowhide, (30) Thick, (80) Topgrain.
Total = 71 Refines: (3) Elegant Lining, (2) Dreugh Wax

(80) Iron, (20) Quicksilver, (150) Voidstone.
Total = 25 Refines: (3) Tempering Alloy

Adding today's totals (137) to yesterday's (83) = 220 Refines [2200 raw mats].
Totals so far:

(4) Tempering Alloy
(4) Dreugh Wax
(1) Rosin

This gives a Refine rate for Legendary Tempers (which ZoS said they "significantly increased") of 4% based on what is still a low value of Refined materials. We really need to test it on 1000 Refines (10K raw mats) or more to get more accurate. But as it sits right now these numbers are WORSE than Live.

I also farmed more Aspect Nodes as well as did all 8 Enchanting Writs (got 3 Surveys again) for these results:

3 Enchanting Surveys: 8 total Aspect Nodes (0 Kuta, 0 Rekuta).
Rune Farming: 24 total Aspect Nodes (1 Kuta, 1 Rekuta)
Total: 30 Aspect Nodes = 1 Rekuta, 1 Kuta

Adding today's totals (30) to yesterday's (46) = 76 Aspect Nodes.
Totals so far:

(1) Kuta
(5) Rekuta

This gives a spawn rate for Kuta (which ZoS also said they "significantly increased Kuta rates at least for Surveys") of less than 1%, seems legit. Again, we would need to have a statistic of say 1000 Aspect Nodes or more including many more Surveys than I have done so far, but it's looking grim at this point.

My Hirelings got all messed up tonight so I'm letting them respawn in the morning to reset their timers. I will post data about them tomorrow.

newtinmpls · February 2015

In the discussion of refining, you leave out your crafters level (which would therotetically be different with each craft). You have also bunched materials; it seems to me that they don't have the exact same pattern, so this might be skewing your results.

Gyudan · February 2015

firstdecan wrote: »

I also expect some players are stockpiling ore to refine after the 1.6 go live in anticipation of the increased drop rate from refining, maybe some of those stockpilers would be kind enough to refine after a PTS reset and let us know their results.

Maybe ...

I'll post some results after the character copy switches to EU tomorrow.

DeLindsay · February 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

In the discussion of refining, you leave out your crafters level (which would therotetically be different with each craft). You have also bunched materials; it seems to me that they don't have the exact same pattern, so this might be skewing your results.

I Refine on one single Character that is Level 40+ (Rank 9/9) in BS/WW/Cloth and has 3/3 Extraction in all 3 Professions, I didn't leave this out, I stated this in one of my first posts. Refining different levels of materials has never made any difference since launch in the drop rate of Legendary Tempers, I can't see why it would for 1.6. I have always gotten the same volume from stacks of Maple as I have from stacks of Nightwood. That said, here are the results from my 3rd pull of Hirelings (all 32 spawned this time):

(7) Elegant Lining
(1) Grain Solvent
(2) Mastic
(1) Rosin
(2) Tempering Alloy

(3) Rekuta
(0) Kuta

That's (3) Legendary Tempers and (0) Kuta from 32 Hirelings this spawn. The Total puts me at (4) Legendary Tempers and (0) Kuta for 91 Hireling mails (3 spawns) thus far.

newtinmpls · February 2015

At this point I'm lost.

Are you talking about hireling drops or refining? Are you meaning to compare, and if so compare what to what?

firstdecan · February 2015

newtinmpls wrote: »

At this point I'm lost.

Are you talking about hireling drops or refining? Are you meaning to compare, and if so compare what to what?

Original point of the thread was the hirelings, but the changes in the refinement rate are related. Zeni nerfed the hireling rate, and was supposed to have increased the refinement rate. I don't see why both can't be discussed.

This is mostly just an exercise in seeing where time \ energy \ skill points are best spent.

DeLindsay · February 2015

What @firstdecan said. ZoS said they significantly reduced the chance of Hirelings mailing you Legendary Tempers and Kutas. In the same section of the 1.6 patch notes they also said they significantly increased the drop rate of Legendary Tempers via Refining and Kuta drop via Survey Reports. The reason I am listing my finding on both is because they are specifically related to each other.

DeLindsay · February 2015

Another set of Hireling mails (full 32), here's the results:

(2) Mastic
(0) Legendary Tempers

(6) Rekuta
(0) Kuta

This time I received zero Legendary anything. Grand total for 4 Hireling spawns (123 Hireling mails) at (4) Legendary Tempers and (0) Kuta.

On to Farming/8 Enchanting Writs/Refining now. It's the end of the weekend and frankly I'm tired of farming mats and nobody is selling anymore so there are less this time.

1 Enchanting Survey: 2 total Aspect Nodes (0 Kuta, 0 Rekuta)
Rune Farming: 26 total Aspect Nodes (1 Kuta, 1 Rekuta)
Total: 28 Aspect Nodes = 1 Rekuta, 1 Kuta

Adding today's totals (28) to the previous 2 days (76) = 104 Aspect Nodes
Totals so far:

(2) Kuta
(6) Rekuta

Spawn rate for Kuta now adjusted to ~2%. On a side note, I received 1 Kuta from opening the Enchanter's Coffer from turning a Writ in. I've never seen this happen before and I've done the Enchanting Writ every day since they came out on at least 1 Character.

Now for today's Refining and possibly the last from me before PTS is switched to EU.

(10) Ash, (60) Birch, (60) Maple, (80) Nightwood.
Total: 21 Refines = (3) Mastic, (2) Rosin

(40) Rawhide, (20) Jute, (10) Shadowhide, (80) Hreshweed, (190) Void Bloom.
Total: 34 Refines = (2) Elegant Lining, (2) Dreugh Wax

(60) Iron, (90) Calcinium, (150) Voidstone.
Total: 30 Refines = (4) Grain Solvent, (2) Tempering Alloy

Adding today's totals (85) to the previous 2 days (220) = 305 Refines [3050 raw mats].
Totals so far:

(3) Rosin
(6) Dreugh Wax
(6) Tempering Alloy

This gives a Refine rate for Legendary Tempers of ~5%, up 1% from the previous running total. I will continue with Hireling lists until NA is replaced with EU but not sure how much more farming I can stand.

DeLindsay · February 2015

Group 5 of all 8 Characters full of 3/3 Hirelings (3 didn't spawn, timer issue I think). Here are the results:

(1) Grain Solvent
(1) Tempering Alloy
(2) Dreugh Wax

(4) Rekuta
(0) Kuta

Grand total for 5 Hireling spawns (152 Hireling Mails) at (7) Legendary Tempers and (0) Kuta. So far I personally went from ~10 Legendary Tempers per day (if I checked twice per day) to just under 3 per day. That's more than a "significant" reduction. Although I can deal with that drop, it's the (0) Kuta in ANY Hireling over 5 spawns that hurts. Especially considering I'm finding the drop rate of Kuta in Aspect Nodes via Survey Reports to be 0% and open World nodes to be ~2%.

I will add data regarding today's 8 Enchanting Writs and any more farming I do with the final Hireling spawn for NA on PTS (about 2am Tuesday morning). That will bring the final total to 6 Hireling spawns and 4 days of doing all 6 Enchanting Writs per day plus tons of Farming. It's still not enough to properly test the true values but it's at least a baseline. Hopefully someone on EU will take up the cause and continue this thread or add a new one Tomorrow with their results.

f047ys3v3n · February 2015

I am sad to see the hireling drop rate decreased but not surprised as there will soon be so much multiboxing with free accounts. I have done the 8 toons level 3 hirelings for many many months and as many of you did I spent a very long time working on my factory system. Selling mats from hirelings has been my main source of income from the start and I have never lacked for gold. I call myself a capitalist for using my drops to invest in production capacity instead of sell for quick gold and that capital investment has paid off. I have only two things to say about the changes;

1) I am sorry to see my great hirelings go. It really was the best return on investment in the game.

2) I actually expect to see prices for materials dramatically drop since it is not capitalists but bot-ers who have always been the overwhelming factor in material prices. Remember when they made it so that level 3 hireling toons could no longer open the mail from level 1 hireling toons? There was not even a slight bump in prices after that. With the introduction of free accounts bots will proliferate and that will drive down prices especially with the increase in refinement drop rates.

I do have a note to add about bots in general. ZOS, why do you continually make changes that invite bots? The whole thing with nirncrux is an excellent example. I should also mention the rarity and botability of motifs and recipies for a very long time. Now you are doing the same thing with improvement materials. You are just inviting people to run bots when you make high rewards for non-combat monotonous activities. Of course I haven't even mentioned potions. At 10-12k a stack form many of them I expect that picking flowers is the most popular of all bot activities. If I were to guess based on the number of flowers I pick per hour when waiting for mutton heads to get in group for S.O. I would expect bots to make well over 120k a day in gold from botting potion ingrediants.

DeLindsay · February 2015

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

I am sad to see the hireling drop rate decreased but not surprised as there will soon be so much multiboxing with free accounts.

1) I am sorry to see my great hirelings go. It really was the best return on investment in the game.

I didn't even think about the bolded comment and now the change makes MUCH more sense, thank you for the brain ninja. I also agree 100% that Hirelings have been my best investment in ESO (I started them back in 5-day early access) so have had a great run thus far.

DeLindsay · February 2015

Alright here is my last test on PTS since in a few hours ZoS is nuking the NA Characters and I have nothing viable to test with on EU. I had to delete 1 Character to try and fix the Crown Store debacle so these last results are based on (7) Characters.

Group 6 of Hirelings (28 in total). Here are the results:

(3) Grain Solvent
(4) Elegant Lining
(0) Legendary Tempers

(4) Rekuta
(0) Kuta

Grand total for 6 sets of Hireling spawns (180 hireling Mails) at (7) Legendary Tempers and (0) Kuta. Now onto my last day for Refining.

(50) Birch, (10) Hickory, (60) Maple, (60) Nightwood.
Total: 18 Refines = (1) Rosin

(10) Rawhide, (30) Jute, (70) Kreshweed, (10) Spidersilk, (130) Void Bloom, (10) Shadowhide.
Total: 26 Refines = (2) Elegant Lining, (2) Dreugh Wax

(60) Iron, (120) Calcinium, (100) Voidstone.
Total: 28 Refines = (3) Grain Solvent, (1) Tempering Alloy

Adding today's totals (72) to all the rest (305) = 377 Refines [3770 Raw mats]. Totals to date:

(4) Rosin
(8) Dreugh Wax
(7) Tempering Alloy

This gives a Refine rate in 1.6 for Legendary Tempers of ~5%, same as the previous day's total. 5% isn't horrible but it's also not much better, if any, than Live right now. Lastly I have farming for Kutas and completing Enchanting Writs. Note, This last day (well 2 technically, since I did the last group at 2am) of Enchanting Writs = 15 instead of 16 due to the deletion of 1 Character.

3 Enchanting Surveys: 6 total Aspect Nodes (0 Kuta, 0 Rekuta).
Rune Farming: 31 total Aspect Nodes (0 Kuta, 2 Rekuta).
Total: 37 Aspect Nodes = 0 Kuta, 2 Rekuta

Adding today's totals (37) to the previous totals (104) = 141 Aspect Nodes
Totals to date:

(2) Kuta
(8) Rekuta

Spawn rate for Kuta via Aspect Nodes now adjusted to ~1.4%. Once again I got (1) Kuta when I opened one of the Enchanting Coffers for a total of (2) Kuta out of 47 Enchanting Writs.
Total Kuta from ALL Sources:

(4) Kuta: 39 Enchanting Writs (including 10 Survey Reports) + 141 Aspect Nodes + 47 Hirelings. If you count each Enchanting Hireling and each Enchanting coffer as a single opportunity to gain a Kuta that means I received 4 Kuta out of (227) for a combined drop rate of ~1.8%. Even if it came out to be a full 2% that's horrible for the sheer volume of work/time invested. I'm not sure many people realize just how long it takes to even find 141 Aspect Nodes.

firstdecan · February 2015

DeLindsay wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

I am sad to see the hireling drop rate decreased but not surprised as there will soon be so much multiboxing with free accounts.

1) I am sorry to see my great hirelings go. It really was the best return on investment in the game.

I didn't even think about the bolded comment and now the change makes MUCH more sense, thank you for the brain ninja. I also agree 100% that Hirelings have been my best investment in ESO (I started them back in 5-day early access) so have had a great run thus far.

Agreed, I didn't think about the multiboxing either.

@Delindsay - apologies for not keeping up on this thread as much as I wanted. Snowstorms and work storms seem to be conspiring against me.

Nestor · February 2015

With the Templates on the NA PTS now, we should be able to roll 8 characters and give them all 3 levels in Hirelings. I don't know if this is possible as I have not tried it, but that could be a good way to get some more data on this.

However it's looking like I may not put any points back into Hirelings once 1.6 goes live, other than Enchanting as Potency Runes are good too.

DeLindsay · February 2015

Nestor wrote: »

With the Templates on the NA PTS now, we should be able to roll 8 characters and give them all 3 levels in Hirelings. I don't know if this is possible as I have not tried it, but that could be a good way to get some more data on this.

However it's looking like I may not put any points back into Hirelings once 1.6 goes live, other than Enchanting as Potency Runes are good too.

EU is on PTS now, and yes one could make 8 Template Characters and set them all to 3/3 Hirelings for more data. All of my NA Characters were such and frankly I got tired of checking twice every day to see such dismal results, especially in regards to Kuta. I'm hoping someone keeps this thread going with their own results but it's not looking promising with roughly ~5% drop rate for Legendary Tempers via Refining, 0% Kuta via Hirelings and a whopping 1.4-1.8% drop rate for Kuta via ALL means.

If it were me personally I'd like to see these drop rates:

Refining:

0/3 Extraction: 0.1 - 1%
1/3 Extraction: 1.1 - 2% (increase this to LvL 12)
2/3 Extraction: 2.1 - 5% (increase this to LvL 25)
3/3 Extraction: 5.1 - 7.5% (increase this to LvL 40)

Hirelings (for Legendary Tempers/Kuta):

1/3: 0.1 - 1% (increase this to LvL 12)
2/3: 1.1 - 2% (increase this to LvL 25)
3/3: 2.1 - 4% (increase this to LvL 40)

Aspect Nodes (open World):

0/3 Runestone Extraction: 0.1 - 0.5%
1/3 Runestone Extraction: 0.5 - 1% (increase this to LvL 12)
2/3 Runestone Extraction: 1.1 - 2% (increase this to LvL 25)
3/3 Runestone Extraction: 2.1 - 5% (increase this to LvL 40)

Aspect Nodes (Survey Reports):

0/3 Runestone Extraction: 1 - 2%
1/3 Runestone Extraction: 2.1 - 3.5%
2/3 Runestone Extraction: 3.6 - 5%
3/3 Runestone Extraction: 5.1 - 7.5%

The above changes to the Legendary tables would help keep Players from running multiple accounts just for Hirelings as the Extraction/Hireling Level requirement would go up dramatically. This would also benefit Players who have already spent the time and effort to increase all 8 Characters to max or close to max (40+) on BS/Cloth/WW/Enchanting while not being as severe a nerf as we're seeing right now.

DeLindsay · February 2015

This discussion (at least the Refine rates portion) is being continued HERE, thanks to @Gyudan. He Refined over 20K raw mats and got almost exactly the same value Refine rate as I did with my measly 3770 raw mats lol.