Crown Soul Gems

Ommamar

So I have been thinking about the fact you can buy soul gems I am going to assume are already filled in the crown store. The issue I see happening is in PvP, since there are no forward camps the ability to res fallen comrades becomes much more important. So the question that rise in my mind is how accessible will the crown store be? If you can access it anywhere to buy soul gems in Cyrodill do you feel it would become an issue of the massive zerg pace that the forward camps where taken away to slow down?

AlexDougherty

Going by the swtor method (please feel free to counter with methods used by other games) you should be able to access and buy stuff anywhere (it was an icon at the top of the screen, that opened the store) and items come in the mail.

Slurg

Didn't someone say the other day it'll be brought up with the comma key just like a regular command?

AlexDougherty

Slurg wrote: »

Didn't someone say the other day it'll be brought up with the comma key just like a regular command?

Wouldn't surprise me, but that's a minor difference (pressing a key rather than clicking on an icon, you still open up the store).

It will be fun if you've bound the comma key to a command though

The_Man_From_Stygia

Perhaps it is because I split my time between pvp and pve, but I have more than enough soul gems at any given time. I am not sure this would be a hugely popular item except for use in a pinch.

AlexDougherty

The_Man_From_Stygia wrote: »

Perhaps it is because I split my time between pvp and pve, but I have more than enough soul gems at any given time. I am not sure this would be a hugely popular item except for use in a pinch.

Well yeah, I think that was just an example, I'm sure there will be better stuff, the potions for example (which like soul gems I'm swimming in, but they are more usefu).

Ommamar

Once I hit VR ranks and started running pledges I ended up with tons of gems. When I was leveling and I went to the nonvet black-water I never had any gems of the proper level. They are advertising the store as a "cool or time saving" item store. The ability to constantly res someone greatly effects AvA particularly at the lower levels I can see a path for the dreaded P2W occurring.
I would really like to see the store set as a vendor you have to access instead of the traditional icon/push a button in other games. BTW isn't the comma used for mail already? Or did I set it like that?

Darklord_Tiberius

^ Pay to win, by resurrecting people? LOL.

Slurg

The comma info was posted on Reddit, someone reposted it in another thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/2t8t6u/a_plea_to_zos_about_b2p_and_possible_ui_updates/

Dagoth_Rac

You have to be right next to a person to rez them. You can only rez one player at a time. It takes time to rez a person. You are likely within range of the opposing player(s) that killed the player you are trying to rez. You cannot move away while rezzing so you end up standing in AoE.

Sounds like a dangerous and time-consuming way to P2W. Definitely not the lolwut-easy-I-win-button that P2W people like.

Leeric

I mean you could also have someone mail you soul gems now while in PVP...wouldnt be any different than that....Im upset at ZOS too, but come on, as long as soul gems still drop and are able to buy for in game gold as they are, it isn't going to change anything by having them in the store...

Korah_Eaglecry

Ommamar wrote: »

So I have been thinking about the fact you can buy soul gems I am going to assume are already filled in the crown store. The issue I see happening is in PvP, since there are no forward camps the ability to res fallen comrades becomes much more important. So the question that rise in my mind is how accessible will the crown store be? If you can access it anywhere to buy soul gems in Cyrodill do you feel it would become an issue of the massive zerg pace that the forward camps where taken away to slow down?

What PvPers dont know is that I still have a few Forward Camps in my Bank...

Muhahahahahaha

Sirlacker

Soul gems are cheap and easy to acquire, you can buy them now from vendors. The empty ones are cheap and easy to fill. And this is coming from someone who is poor in game and not an elitist, just a filthy casual. I have a stockpile of 300 on my main and am currently giving a few away to other players who need them.

If players want to pay for soul gems we should let them,they're actually just waisting crown points if you ask me.

And it takes a while to ress someone, if you or your team can't deal damage to the resser to stop him, that's nobody's fault but your own /your team and they deserve to utilize the opportunity.

Don't mean to come across as harsh or anything so Sorry if I did, but thats just my view and experience with this subject.

Lord Xanhorn

Sirlacker wrote: »

Soul gems are cheap and easy to acquire, you can buy them now from vendors. The empty ones are cheap and easy to fill. And this is coming from someone who is poor in game and not an elitist, just a filthy casual. I have a stockpile of 300 on my main and am currently giving a few away to other players who need them.

If players want to pay for soul gems we should let them,they're actually just waisting crown points if you ask me.

And it takes a while to ress someone, if you or your team can't deal damage to the resser to stop him, that's nobody's fault but your own /your team and they deserve to utilize the opportunity.

Don't mean to come across as harsh or anything so Sorry if I did, but thats just my view and experience with this subject.

You assume that the crown store selling gems will be on top of existing systems and methods of acquiring gems. If all of a sudden, the gem vendor was gone and gems didn't drop of bosses and mini bosses, you might have a much harder time 'easily acquiring' them. You're right about them being worthless on the crown store in the games current state but somehow I think if they are selling them for convenience then its not going to be so convenient to get them in game.

Same with potions

TheShadowScout

I doubt these will just dissappear completely from the game, I would expect the crown store to just provide them for people who find themselves in the field without any gems left and need a quick supply to keep going on or something like that.

If anything, perhaps the filled gems might vanish from the vendors, but the empties will almost certainly keep popping up.

Same with potions... I again expect the crown store to just be there for thuse who run out halfway through a dungeon or something.

But time will tell.

DeLindsay

Ommamar wrote: »

So I have been thinking about the fact you can buy soul gems I am going to assume are already filled in the crown store. The issue I see happening is in PvP, since there are no forward camps the ability to res fallen comrades becomes much more important. So the question that rise in my mind is how accessible will the crown store be? If you can access it anywhere to buy soul gems in Cyrodill do you feel it would become an issue of the massive zerg pace that the forward camps where taken away to slow down?

Who cares how we have access to the Crown store in reference to purchasing Soul Gems. When I head into Cyro I do so with 1-2 STACKS of filled Soul Gems and Tri-Pots. Even with a huge zerg there's bound to be a time that you personally cannot get rez'd so you end up respawning at a keep. What would stop someone from buying 10x stacks of filled Soul Gems while in the total safety of that keep they just spawned at instead of in the heat of battle.

Further counter to your comment, Players can mail each other stacks of Soul Gems right now. How does that make the Crown store addition any different that what's currently available to Players. Zergs will continue at the exact same pace as today as Players have the same access to Soul Gems now as we will once the Crown store is active.

Sylvyr

Sucks if you like to fill and sell soul gems. Taking away from the player activity and economy. Almost rather they can buy gold with crowns so at least us sellers can get a piece but that would bring down the economy so fast.

Grrrrr

AlexDougherty

Sylvyr wrote: »

Sucks if you like to fill and sell soul gems. Taking away from the player activity and economy. Almost rather they can buy gold with crowns so at least us sellers can get a piece but that would bring down the economy so fast.

Grrrrr

Soul gems are easy to fill, just use the passive that fills them 10% of the time, nobody needs to buy them, you've just been lucky some people didn't realise this.

Digiman

Ommamar wrote: »

So I have been thinking about the fact you can buy soul gems I am going to assume are already filled in the crown store. The issue I see happening is in PvP, since there are no forward camps the ability to res fallen comrades becomes much more important. So the question that rise in my mind is how accessible will the crown store be? If you can access it anywhere to buy soul gems in Cyrodill do you feel it would become an issue of the massive zerg pace that the forward camps where taken away to slow down?

You get it takes time to rez someone and only one at a time? Your completely open to attack.

Secondly I doubt anyone is going to blow real money on getting filled soul gems when its just as easy in Cyrodiil with AP or gold. There are a crap load of mobs to fill them also.

Merlin13KAGL

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

^ Pay to win, by resurrecting people? LOL.

@Darklord_Tiberius‌ , right...'cause there's no other way to obtain them...

Sounds like too many people dyin' , or you just didn't come prepared.

Gotta love it.

Iago

Ommamar wrote: »

So I have been thinking about the fact you can buy soul gems I am going to assume are already filled in the crown store. The issue I see happening is in PvP, since there are no forward camps the ability to res fallen comrades becomes much more important. So the question that rise in my mind is how accessible will the crown store be? If you can access it anywhere to buy soul gems in Cyrodill do you feel it would become an issue of the massive zerg pace that the forward camps where taken away to slow down?

Plus the stated in the video the items bought in the crown store will level with the toon they are killing a huge income source for me.....

DeLindsay

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

Sucks if you like to fill and sell soul gems. Taking away from the player activity and economy. Almost rather they can buy gold with crowns so at least us sellers can get a piece but that would bring down the economy so fast.

Grrrrr

Soul gems are easy to fill, just use the passive that fills them 10% of the time, nobody needs to buy them, you've just been lucky some people didn't realise this.

And there's a set that you can obtain (BoE) that you can literally fill an entire stack of Grand Soul Gems in under 5 minutes with it equipped. Not everyone knows about the Oblivion's Edge set. You can even triple dip with that set if you use the morph Soul Splitting Trap on each of the 5-6 NPC's you attack right before AOE'ing them all down for 15+ filled gems in ~8 seconds.

AlexDougherty

DeLindsay wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

Sucks if you like to fill and sell soul gems. Taking away from the player activity and economy. Almost rather they can buy gold with crowns so at least us sellers can get a piece but that would bring down the economy so fast.

Grrrrr

Soul gems are easy to fill, just use the passive that fills them 10% of the time, nobody needs to buy them, you've just been lucky some people didn't realise this.

And there's a set that you can obtain (BoE) that you can literally fill an entire stack of Grand Soul Gems in under 5 minutes with it equipped. Not everyone knows about the Oblivion's Edge set. You can even triple dip with that set if you use the morph Soul Splitting Trap on each of the 5-6 NPC's you attack right before AOE'ing them all down for 15+ filled gems in ~8 seconds.

Nice, if I'm ever low on filled soul gems I craft that and give it a try.

Shadesofkin

Meh, if I'm experimenting with a build I might die a bunch while leveling it. In which case I could see buying a stack of level appropriate soul gems being convenient.

Teiji

Fortunately the one thing the Crown Store will never sell, is the ability to read all the Tutorial text.

Being able to buy Soul Gems from the Crown Store cannot and will not ever be a problem. Being able to buy the ability to L2P from the Crown Store in the form of X and Y, would be.

Merlin13KAGL

Iago wrote: »

Plus the stated in the video the items bought in the crown store will level with the toon they are killing a huge income source for me.....

Nah...you should be good.

I'm too cheap to pay gold for them, let alone (translated) real $.

Plenty of people will still purchase via in game gold.

UrQuan

Lord Xanhorn wrote: »

Sirlacker wrote: »

Soul gems are cheap and easy to acquire, you can buy them now from vendors. The empty ones are cheap and easy to fill. And this is coming from someone who is poor in game and not an elitist, just a filthy casual. I have a stockpile of 300 on my main and am currently giving a few away to other players who need them.

If players want to pay for soul gems we should let them,they're actually just waisting crown points if you ask me.

And it takes a while to ress someone, if you or your team can't deal damage to the resser to stop him, that's nobody's fault but your own /your team and they deserve to utilize the opportunity.

Don't mean to come across as harsh or anything so Sorry if I did, but thats just my view and experience with this subject.

You assume that the crown store selling gems will be on top of existing systems and methods of acquiring gems. If all of a sudden, the gem vendor was gone and gems didn't drop of bosses and mini bosses, you might have a much harder time 'easily acquiring' them. You're right about them being worthless on the crown store in the games current state but somehow I think if they are selling them for convenience then its not going to be so convenient to get them in game.

Same with potions

Well, given that they said in the AMA that they won't be reducing the in-game availability of anything that is available both in-game and in the crown store... Yeah, his assumption is a pretty good one.

Sylvyr wrote: »

Sucks if you like to fill and sell soul gems. Taking away from the player activity and economy. Almost rather they can buy gold with crowns so at least us sellers can get a piece but that would bring down the economy so fast.

Grrrrr

Wait... There are suckers who buy filled soul gems? When they're so incredibly easy to obtain? I mean, worst case scenario all you have to do is buy some empty ones from a vendor for cheap, and then spend a few minutes filling them.