End game content is mostly PvP. And you want to throw a Cash Shop in here. WUT? 0_o

Funkopotamus

Honestly I have no idea how this could be a good thing. I understand trying to get this out on console ASAP as Neverwinter is going console in a month or so, but couldn't ZOS find a better way to do this other than bring this in as a P2W system?

My story not that it matters I guess, but I will share it here.

I was so pumped about ESO for the last 2 years. When I knew that the xboxone was going to get it I preordered it and then the game was held back.. I was not happy, but I knew it would come to console at some point so I was a hold out until last MONTH! I broke down and dropped my $70.00 dollars on ESO because the guy at the store advised me that ESO console was just rolled back again till NEXT YEAR!!

Well I have been playing for exactly 12 days.. 12 DAYS..!!! and now this is what happens? SRSLY?

I am not going to scream about a refund "I think I should get one though" but life goes on I guess.

Thing is I was one of the people that WANTED the game to STA Y SUB FEE based even on the console. I am an older gamer from EQ/Asherons Call. Two of the first MMO'S made. I have tried about every MMO on the market and I must agree for the most part the kind of people that P2W/BTP bring into the game are HORRIBLE for the longevity/ long term health of the game. IMHO.

I am sitting here feeling like I held out hope until I caved in and bought ESO for the PC then I was betrayed/ lied to just days afterwards.

Am I misinformed or is the END game for ESO mostly centered around PvP? If that is the case there is absolutely NO WAY I will be playing this game after BTP/P2W happens.. Why in the world would ANYONE want to play this game and work and put time into building a character just to have some 11 year old with daddies credit card come in and wipe the floor with you?

I just do not know what will become of ESO, but I do hold out my last hope that there is a system something like RIFT. That cash shop system seems to be the fairest of all the cash shop games I have played. GW2 was until about a year ago.

Any thoughts on the cash shop and the fairness of PvP after it hits?

JamilaRaj

Don't worry, they said cash shop will be cosmetic only. Sure, some will push and demand P2W stuff that will save them gold or time (so they will be ahead of other players with same amount of resources but not cash-shopping), but ZOS will say no, and they'll push and ZOS will say no, and they'll push again and ZOS will say: read our lips, no P2W items in the store!

Dragath

ZOS will sell whatever they have to, to make up the money they lose / already lost from unsubs.
they already confirmed boosters that will save time. expect experience boosters and a few other things. these will have an effect on your progression, but not that much.
just to be clear:
the have to MAKE MONEY from the shop. a lot of money. they wont make a lot of money, if they dont sell worthwhile stuff.
a mount is bought once per player. boosters are bought in huge amounts.

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO

Bumped for truth.

Fruity_Ninja

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Am I misinformed or is the END game for ESO mostly centered around PvP?

I don't know about that, I'd say most end-game content is based around PvE from my experience. There's been no new content since launch for PvP at all, whilst PvE has had Lower + Upper Craglorn, Undaunted Pledges, Vet Dungeons, Trials etc all added to the game. Not to mention if you want to work through the original 'end-game' of Caldwell's Silver/Gold, there's a bucketload of questing there.

On top of that the next 2 zones (who knows when they'll be added it might be some time), seem to be PvE zones as well.

Naivefanboi

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Honestly I have no idea how this could be a good thing. I understand trying to get this out on console ASAP as Neverwinter is going console in a month or so, but couldn't ZOS find a better way to do this other than bring this in as a P2W system?

My story not that it matters I guess, but I will share it here.

I was so pumped about ESO for the last 2 years. When I knew that the xboxone was going to get it I preordered it and then the game was held back.. I was not happy, but I knew it would come to console at some point so I was a hold out until last MONTH! I broke down and dropped my $70.00 dollars on ESO because the guy at the store advised me that ESO console was just rolled back again till NEXT YEAR!!

Well I have been playing for exactly 12 days.. 12 DAYS..!!! and now this is what happens? SRSLY?

I am not going to scream about a refund "I think I should get one though" but life goes on I guess.

Thing is I was one of the people that WANTED the game to STA Y SUB FEE based even on the console. I am an older gamer from EQ/Asherons Call. Two of the first MMO'S made. I have tried about every MMO on the market and I must agree for the most part the kind of people that P2W/BTP bring into the game are HORRIBLE for the longevity/ long term health of the game. IMHO.

I am sitting here feeling like I held out hope until I caved in and bought ESO for the PC then I was betrayed/ lied to just days afterwards.

Am I misinformed or is the END game for ESO mostly centered around PvP? If that is the case there is absolutely NO WAY I will be playing this game after BTP/P2W happens.. Why in the world would ANYONE want to play this game and work and put time into building a character just to have some 11 year old with daddies credit card come in and wipe the floor with you?

I just do not know what will become of ESO, but I do hold out my last hope that there is a system something like RIFT. That cash shop system seems to be the fairest of all the cash shop games I have played. GW2 was until about a year ago.

Any thoughts on the cash shop and the fairness of PvP after it hits?

i find you post confusing, you seem greatly concerned about eso's b2p converions and the casho shop. as am i. but some perspective.
rifts cash shop sells actual raid gear, weapons and armor. not best in slot stuff but still...
gw2 sells boosters and cosmetic stuff. which i was fine with. i also enjoyed the currency conversion but for the example of credit card warriors you stated. hope eso avoids the currency conversion.
anyways my point is.. if you enjoyed gw2 you will most likely love ESO they are similar in style but eso has much more polish now and alot more end game.
no pvp is not the endgame.
there is a entire endgame zone in eso called craglorn, has 4-5 raids in it currently. raiding is familiar to wow with the exception of the raids sizes. instead of making a giant 10boss + raid, they make several short 4boss raids that all connect thru lore and story. so its alot more convient.

welcome to ESO and enjoy your stay

stumpy999

Endgame? there isn't one. A lot of folk do trials and undaunted stuff that is pve based, repeatedly, to grind items and/or passives so they are more effective in pvp. So are they pve focussed or pvp focussed?

It doesn't really matter where you choose to spend your time. Question should be - Are you enjoying playing?

As to getting wiped by unskilled players with bling gear, it happens now. Any mass battle is less about individual Leet skillz, or gear, and more about the tactical acumen of the raid leader and willingness of the raid to do as they are told. One player who is back level with poor gear and skill is more valuable in pvp if they can do as they are told and press X a lot than a blinged out maverik who wanders about waving epeen.

So stop sweating the small stuff. Enjoy the game till it's broken then move on.....

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Don't worry, they said cash shop will be cosmetic only. Sure, some will push and demand P2W stuff that will save them gold or time (so they will be ahead of other players with same amount of resources but not cash-shopping), but ZOS will say no, and they'll push and ZOS will say no, and they'll push again and ZOS will say: read our lips, no P2W items in the store!

Please research the history of LOTRO's transition before being so sure of the last part of that.

LOTRO shows how badly this change in model can go, Rift OTOH shows how it can go reasonably cleanly, and hopefully ESO goes that route, but in Rift you can earn Store currency in-game in ESO you won't be able to so even at the outset the prognosis seems more to the LOTRO model than Rift.

Islyn

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »

Bumped for truth.

+1

AngryNord

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

JamilaRaj wrote: »

Don't worry, they said cash shop will be cosmetic only. Sure, some will push and demand P2W stuff that will save them gold or time (so they will be ahead of other players with same amount of resources but not cash-shopping), but ZOS will say no, and they'll push and ZOS will say no, and they'll push again and ZOS will say: read our lips, no P2W items in the store!

Please research the history of LOTRO's transition before being so sure of the last part of that.

LOTRO shows how badly this change in model can go, Rift OTOH shows how it can go reasonably cleanly, and hopefully ESO goes that route, but in Rift you can earn Store currency in-game in ESO you won't be able to so even at the outset the prognosis seems more to the LOTRO model than Rift.

You do earn store currency (Turbine Points) in-game in LoTRO, from completing deeds (and some quests).

Welka

You can PVP from lvl 10 so no, it isn't end game.

asteldian

Dragath wrote: »

ZOS will sell whatever they have to, to make up the money they lose / already lost from unsubs.
they already confirmed boosters that will save time. expect experience boosters and a few other things. these will have an effect on your progression, but not that much.
just to be clear:
the have to MAKE MONEY from the shop. a lot of money. they wont make a lot of money, if they dont sell worthwhile stuff.
a mount is bought once per player. boosters are bought in huge amounts.

They don't have to use the cash shop to make any money. The number of players from console will be ridiculous, the amount of money made each year from DLC will be obscene and far more than the paltry sum they get from pc subs.

Now, that said, the fact they don't need to make money from the cash shop won't stop corporate greed from doing so, so while I disagree with the statement that they need to sell stuff from the shop, everything else is correct because what business does not want more money?

frosth.darkomenb16_ESO

Welka wrote: »

You can PVP from lvl 10 so no, it isn't end game.

It is endgame in the sense that it is the one and only activity you can really repeat indefinitely once you're at max level and have done everything.
PvE content becomes repetitive and scripted, but PvP has a player component to it that gives it a greater replay value.

jpp

Like someone also said - I can see a lot of end game content. I I played other MMO where end game content was base on very similar idea - grinding of top level dungeons.
Similar - there is also crafting - it is part of end game also.
So in summary I would say that PvP is included but in comparision to other MMO you can not tell ESO is PvP mostly.