Looking forward: Can ZOS recover? What would it take? Or has it gone too far?

Vulix

A lot of people are leaving ESO but I am sure many don't actually want too. We would all love to happily continue playing this game, but now ZOS' actions have pushed many to leave.

For those of you leaving but wish you didn't have too, what would ZOS have to do to recover? Or, have they pushed things too far for you to consider coming back?

Iago

A little honesty goes a long way, and I believe that's all it would take to make people stay and or come back

Darthryan

Fix my *** cloak. Fix the view from catapalts. You know stuff I've been complaining about since day one. As it is now, I only log on to sell some stuff. Just seeing how the justice system looks and waitng for a new mmo to play. Any one have a good mmo coming out?

Murmeltier

They have nothing to do to recover. The new System is better then the old, it offers more. The new Update looks very cool and the Future-Plans too.

Teso is one of the best MMORPGs outthere. This Game have a fantastic Gameplay, Storyline, Combat-System, Graphics, Animations, Sound, Craftingsystem.

The Crown-Store looks solid, and if they dont put Things like Materials or Equip in it, i can live with it.

If some People hear to the bad Speaking at the Forums and other Plattforms, or go and Rage-Quit, because they dont understand anything, then they can do this.

The most People will stay in this Game, i am sure about this. The new System is better then the old. Why should they leave ?

I am sure that many of the Rage-Quitters dont understand the new System, they only read something like "ESO IS F2P NOW, ESO DIES, WE ARE ALL DOOMED, I TOLD YOU SO *HAHAHA*", and dont understand or want to understand how it works.

They are angry because the Stealth doesnt work, their Girlfriend leaves them or anything other Thing in Game/RL frustrates them. So, here we go and make some Noise.

Thats all, and you know what, they will come back. Mostly hot Air and later, after they see how terrible WoW works and looks, they will crawl back .

Zenimax dont have to do anything, the People that Rage-Quits can be happy that they can come back, that Zenimax offers them a good Place to play.

Paske

I was waiting for Imperial City to come out shortly after 1.6.

Or Wrohtgar.

Generally something to do other then level an alt going through same stuff as main V14.

With the announcement of no new content for next 6-8 months, what is there to do ?
Cyrodill and thats it !

Champion system will be implemented in its infant state and everything will wait for console release.

My main regret is paying for 60 days GTC.

In a sence they simply said - sorry PC / Mac users, you are yesterdays news. Its all about console cash grab now.
But please stay subbed and we will give you "shiny" after a year. Provided you never drope sub for a minute.

MutleyM

Personally I am happy to see how things turn out with the new system.

But so far I haven't liked the dungeon scaling, since I play with my wife as a duo we were going a few levels above to be able to experience the same content but haven't been able to since the change.

Since they have said that new content with be scaled it means we will be stuck without anything more to do which is disappointing but will hopefully not fully stop us playing.

We did find Craglorn a bit of a nightmare as found it hard to find people to open gates (requiring 3 or 4 people), to do contact we would have liked to do ourselves.

Basically i'm saying we will wait and see what happens but it does look as though they could have told us these changes were coming sooner than they did.

SFBryan18

ESO does not need a recovery because it will continue to do just fine without the fraction who leave.

DDuke

Murmeltier wrote: »

They have nothing to do to recover. The new System is better then the old, it offers more. The new Update looks very cool and the Future-Plans too.

Teso is one of the best MMORPGs outthere. This Game have a fantastic Gameplay, Storyline, Combat-System, Graphics, Animations, Sound, Craftingsystem.

The Crown-Store looks solid, and if they dont put Things like Materials or Equip in it, i can live with it.

If some People hear to the bad Speaking at the Forums and other Plattforms, or go and Rage-Quit, because they dont understand anything, then they can do this.

The most People will stay in this Game, i am sure about this. The new System is better then the old. Why should they leave ?

I am sure that many of the Rage-Quitters dont understand the new System, they only read something like "ESO IS F2P NOW, ESO DIES, WE ARE ALL DOOMED, I TOLD YOU SO *HAHAHA*", and dont understand or want to understand how it works.

They are angry because the Stealth doesnt work, their Girlfriend leaves them or anything other Thing in Game/RL frustrates them. So, here we go and make some Noise.

Thats all, and you know what, they will come back. Mostly hot Air and later, after they see how terrible WoW works and looks, they will crawl back .

Zenimax dont have to do anything, the People that Rage-Quits can be happy that they can come back, that Zenimax offers them a good Place to play.

You must not have been paying attention.

How can you claim it offers more, when it offers less?

Next update after 1.6 is slated for end of 2015, after that the content updates will be casual-oriented DLC that "scales to your level" (goodbye character progression), and nothing was said about end game raids etc.


So essentially you're getting "Skyrim with friends", while all the dedicated players that spent hours each day playing the game get thrown under the bus, zero *** given. The people that had trust in Zenimax & voted ESO best mmo.

All you're getting in return for ruining the game, is fancy mounts & costumes & XP boosters that aim to suck your wallet dry.

Have fun with that.

Cogo

DDuke wrote: »

You must not have been paying attention.

How can you claim it offers more, when it offers less?

Next update after 1.6 is slated for end of 2015, after that the content updates will be casual-oriented DLC that "scales to your level" (goodbye character progression), and nothing was said about end game raids etc.


So essentially you're getting "Skyrim with friends", while all the dedicated players that spent hours each day playing the game get thrown under the bus, zero *** given. The people that had trust in Zenimax & voted ESO best mmo.

All you're getting in return for ruining the game, is fancy mounts & costumes & XP boosters that aim to suck your wallet dry.

Have fun with that.

Don't ever leave these forums man. Yours posts is a glimps of light

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

I can't shake the feeling that ESO on the PC/Mac platform is being abandoned and left to rot. If they could show some effort to fix bugs on PC/Mac versions, it would go a long way towards making me less disappointed in their actions.

However, I suppose the PC/Mac crowd is now far too small to make them lift a finger. We don't have any numbers to show how bad things really are, but for quite some time the game zones have felt rather empty even in levels 1-50. Not even the banks in the starter zones are crowded any more. We are quite possibly on a burning platform, and if that is the case, the sound business decision right now is to focus all effort on the console release and shift all support resources to those versions.

I will probably be here for a while longer, but I have now stopped playing every day. I don't even care enough to check my hireling mail more than occasionally.

Alphashado

The game will survive. There will probably be more new/returning players than people leaving.

It will be a different crowd though.

It will be a different game.

The subscription model attracted a certain type of player. It attracted people (like me) that were fed up with cash shops and everything they represent. It attracted people that actually believed Bethesda and ZoS when they said it wasn't about trying to get as many people as possible. It attracted people that actually believed them when they said it was about quality, not quantity.

I haven't logged in for 3 days. That has never happened. I have logged into this game at least once per day since launch because I loved it. Because it was exciting.

Thinking about logging in now gives me a sick feeling. The same feeling you get when you are hanging out with a girlfriend you might break up with but you just can't find the right time to tell her.

I will probably log in today, but I'm no longer excited about doing it.

The damage is done.

Sharee

I came to TESO primarily for the 3-way medieval-like warfare in cyrodiil. As long as it still has that, i am not going anywhere - at least not until a game that does it better comes out.

As far as ZOS recovering is concerned - i don;t think they have anything to recover from. The new model will probably be better for them (even if not better for the players), and the game will have no problems surviving.

ashlee17

Interesting thread OP.
Step 1- Offering an apology for misleading their player base about going b2p.

Step 2- Offering pro rata refunds to those who are already subbed beyond the B2P conversion date.

Step 3- Offering original players subscriptions that include all cash shop items.

Might not be the only steps they could take, but would definitely be steps in the right direction.

Spottswoode

SFBryan18 wrote: »

ESO does not need a recovery because it will continue to do just fine without the fraction who leave.

One is a fraction. So is 9/10.


Seriously though, methinks people underestimate the marketability of B2P. However, that target market spells death for the game as we now know it. It will survive in a necromantic fashion.

DDuke

ashlee17 wrote: »

Interesting thread OP.
Step 1- Offering an apology for misleading their player base about going b2p.

Step 2- Offering pro rata refunds to those who are already subbed beyond the B2P conversion date.

Step 3- Offering original players subscriptions that include all cash shop items.

Though who would pay that subscription, if content gets released only twice a year in the future?

Content, that is more akin to GW2 Living Stories, than epic raids and/or interesting end game content.

SFBryan18

Spottswoode wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

ESO does not need a recovery because it will continue to do just fine without the fraction who leave.

One is a fraction. So is 9/10.


Seriously though, methinks people underestimate the marketability of B2P. However, that target market spells death for the game as we now know it. It will survive in a necromantic fashion.

When someone uses the expression 'fraction', it is already implied that the number is low. The vocal minority always think they are more important than they really are.

nerevarine1138

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

ESO does not need a recovery because it will continue to do just fine without the fraction who leave.

One is a fraction. So is 9/10.


Seriously though, methinks people underestimate the marketability of B2P. However, that target market spells death for the game as we now know it. It will survive in a necromantic fashion.

When someone uses the expression 'fraction', it is already implied that the number is low. The vocal minority always think they are more important than they really are.

I want to put that on a motivational poster and frame it.

OP, et al.: you're the vocal minority here. If anything, I noticed increased activity in the game after the announcement about the payment switches, and we're not even at the point of transition yet. From a player standpoint, I'm not sure how the new system will pan out, but from a business standpoint, it's clear that this offers ZO the chance to get more players in the game.

cesmode

Theres nothing they need to do to recover. There are people coming back to the game already (I am one of them) to replace the people that are leaving. Not to mention, they seem well off enough to release a console version. They must be doing ok.

But dont let the door hit you guys on the way out.

cschwartzy926b14_ESO

Alphashado wrote: »

The game will survive. There will probably be more new/returning players than people leaving.

It will be a different crowd though.

It will be a different game.

The subscription model attracted a certain type of player. It attracted people (like me) that were fed up with cash shops and everything they represent. It attracted people that actually believed Bethesda and ZoS when they said it wasn't about trying to get as many people as possible. It attracted people that actually believed them when they said it was about quality, not quantity.

I haven't logged in for 3 days. That has never happened. I have logged into this game at least once per day since launch because I loved it. Because it was exciting.

Thinking about logging in gives me a sick feeling now. The same feeling you get when you are hanging out with a girlfriend you might break up with but you just can't find the right time to tell her.

I will probably log in today, but I'm no longer excited about doing it.

The damage is done.

Exactly how I feel.

cschwartzy926b14_ESO

Alphashado wrote: »

The game will survive. There will probably be more new/returning players than people leaving.

It will be a different crowd though.

It will be a different game.

The subscription model attracted a certain type of player. It attracted people (like me) that were fed up with cash shops and everything they represent. It attracted people that actually believed Bethesda and ZoS when they said it wasn't about trying to get as many people as possible. It attracted people that actually believed them when they said it was about quality, not quantity.

I haven't logged in for 3 days. That has never happened. I have logged into this game at least once per day since launch because I loved it. Because it was exciting.

Thinking about logging in gives me a sick feeling now. The same feeling you get when you are hanging out with a girlfriend you might break up with but you just can't find the right time to tell her.

I will probably log in today, but I'm no longer excited about doing it.

The damage is done.

Exactly how I feel.

Alphashado

cesmode wrote: »

Theres nothing they need to do to recover. There are people coming back to the game already (I am one of them) to replace the people that are leaving. Not to mention, they seem well off enough to release a console version. They must be doing ok.

But dont let the door hit you guys on the way out.

This is a perfect example of the type of player F2P/B2P brings in. Great attitude. I'm so glad that we all spent over $200.00 to test this game for you.

duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO

For this one the problem is not the F2P/B2P or even the B2W (it's coming, if not at the start, then later) the problem is the bugs (yeah all MMOs have them but this one got them in spades), all the things that don't work (properly) and worst of all the completely unbalanced system.

The champion system could have been the answer to the last, but - designed by the same folks that didn't have a clue in the first place, it's no surprise, that from the few glimpses seen so far, it is just a different flavor of crap.

Thank you soooo much.

Looking at the new skills (see esolive from December), now DKs can provide their reflective scale to anyone around them? Seriously?!

Yeah forget ranged attacks in PvP!

Worse, the lag that stupidity will cause will make today's lag look like a breeze.
Or how much computing cycles will now go in determining that this ranged fireball was aimed at target B, but close by is ally C with that skill,so it's gets reflected back, but hold, caster A is close by his ally D, so it now sent to D, who reflects it back again, but now E is closer ... and B out of range, and F has now cast that reflect and ...

Now have 20 people on each side cast this and other spells ...
==> the mother of all LAG

daneyulebub17_ESO

In their AMA yesterday, there were quite a few questions asking about the B2P change --things like: do they see any pitfalls, will there be a store button in the UI, why they went with that model--(financial--consoles--their plan all along?), what plans they have to prevent the game going downhill like so many others have. Nothing haranguing (at least in the first 90 minutes), nothing rude in the questions. How did they respond? They laughingly referred to those, again, politely worded questions from obvious concerned CUSTOMERS with a "don't feed the trolls" comment and went out of their way to avoid responding to even one. But they were sure quick to repeated grab the ones about possible mudcrap mounts and how much they'd like to get a barbershop in one day.

That spoke volumes to me about this company and the attitude it encourages among its employees. No class, professionalism or ethics. I'm so happy not to send them another dime.

Reverb

Zenimax has proven themselves to be without integrity.

A large segment of the public is willing to overlook that when it's profitable or otherwise advantageous. From that perspective, Zenimax can redeem themselves to the customers who feel burned by profit-sharing (laughably absurd to even consider)or providing a stellar product. Since they've already said that development will slow down, and that focus will be on the console launch, both options are very unlikely.

But the new incoming customers will outnumber those who leave with a distaste for ZoS. This gives them the comfort of not having to care what we think.

grimjim398

Vulix wrote: »

A lot of people are leaving ESO but I am sure many don't actually want too. We would all love to happily continue playing this game, but now ZOS' actions have pushed many to leave.

For those of you leaving but wish you didn't have too, what would ZOS have to do to recover? Or, have they pushed things too far for you to consider coming back?

Well, I'm deleting three veteran level characters, one at level 49, one at level 32, one at level 10, and two mules who were holding at level 3. I think that answers your question. I don't have any interest in playing an MMO under any pay model other than subscription. Which makes my future as an MMO player pretty bleak, unless I want to return to EVE Online, which I played for 5-6 years (with four accounts, all faithfully paid for each month).

daneyulebub17_ESO

Checkout Camelot Unchained. They -seem- to be committed to doing an MMO right. Too bad, its at best, a year away.

Spottswoode

SFBryan18 wrote: »

When someone uses the expression 'fraction', it is already implied that the number is low. The vocal minority always think they are more important than they really are.

Arguably because minorities are the only ones who get screwed in populist enviroments. (Argumentum ad populum ftw!!) No, actually that was a rebuttal to a pet peeve of mine: indeterminate numeration. One of the first things we learned in philosophy class was how to spot bovine scatology in a debate. Indeterminate numeration, percentages quoted out of context, and ratios without comparisons are signs of a weak argument reinforced with the appearance of strong numbers. (Not your argument, mind you.)

Razzak

Money wise, ZOS will be better with the B2P. ESO on the other hand, might become worse from a social standpoint.
Right now, ESO is only filled with gamers that are willing to pay a monthly fee for a game to survive and advance. With B2P, there will be lots of players that have little to no desire to help the game or it's community.
Time will tell what type of players will be the most numerous, but one thing is certain. ZOS's attitude of bait and switch, false promises, lies, no transparency in their plans and little to none communication, will have the same effect on those that will still have some passion for the game. It will continue to drive many players off, while it constntly brings new "got a game as a gift" type of players. Will they be enough for ESO to survive as a good, social MMO, is hard to tell.
But, ZOS will be better off. That's the sole reason for B2P. To make more money. They definitely didn't decide for B2P out of their desire to make it a better game. It was a desire to make it more profitable. In a short to medium term way.

OrangeTheCat

To keep me (someone playing continuously since beta) they would have to give me vip status - all the perks of a fully subscribed player - for free and for all time.

Languish4567

They are only well off enough for a console release because we paid for a years worth of subs, and for me to continue to pay for those subs the company that promised new content ever 4-6 weeks need to offer new content more quickly than the 8-12 months it looks like we will be waiting now, and a way to block the B2Players that will come back and spam chat with "told you so that's why I stopped paying x months ago.", or "I knew this game would got B2P that's why I didn't pay for the first year."

Naivefanboi

i dont plan on leaving but im certainly not giving them any money lol. see how much gold i can make with the new players on console xD.least get some trophies out this game. sure wont be any new content.