Value in a Subscription

Mission

If DLC content isn't at least $15 per month that it doesn't arrive. IE if it takes 2 months per DLC content release it needs to be at least $30 (3 months $45..ect) for it to be of value to subscribe. If its not, even with 1500 crowns per month, there is no value in being a subscriber.

AlexDougherty

B2P option will have limits, bad limits, when SWTOR did it they put limits on PVP, Chat, XP, cash you can hold, Gear (you had to buy permission to use Purple gear) and loads more.

Even if you are VR14 I think that will annoy the living daylights out of you.

Mission

AlexDougherty wrote: »

B2P option will have limits, bad limits, when SWTOR did it they put limits on PVP, Chat, XP, cash you can hold, Gear (you had to buy permission to use Purple gear) and loads more.

Even if you are VR14 I think that will annoy the living daylights out of you.

They have already said there wouldn't be any limits on B2P outside of dlc additions.

RianaTheBosmer

Or there will be no limits at all...Guild Wars 2, The Secret World.

The naysayers have no idea at all what the buy to play model will look like. I highly doubt that they are going to screw over console players with a f2p model like SWTOR.

renegeed

Please don't ask for more in the sub, you'll screw yourself over and everyone here that doesn't have a ton of cash to spare.

eserras7b16_ESO

AlexDougherty wrote: »

B2P option will have limits, bad limits, when SWTOR did it they put limits on PVP, Chat, XP, cash you can hold, Gear (you had to buy permission to use Purple gear) and loads more.

Even if you are VR14 I think that will annoy the living daylights out of you.

Please, don't compare P2Win SWTOR system with the system Zenimax is offering. That's insulting and unfair. SWTOR has a F2P game. TESO will have a B2P game. That's a completely different story, they're not using such limits.

Mission

My worry. Is like swtor. If you do the math. You could buy a weekly content pass every week. (after you had unlocked all the locked paywall features like inventory and such) and besides the credit limit. Actually pay less each month for the game than a subber and do just as much.

AlexDougherty

Mission wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

B2P option will have limits, bad limits, when SWTOR did it they put limits on PVP, Chat, XP, cash you can hold, Gear (you had to buy permission to use Purple gear) and loads more.

Even if you are VR14 I think that will annoy the living daylights out of you.

They have already said there wouldn't be any limits on B2P outside of dlc additions.

Not quite, they said we would have access to everything without buying DLC, they have not said unlimited access.

You could be right but that would mean they are charging an awful lot for DLC, given what we are paying for the sub, and they will want the subs to continue.

So I suspect you will find it operates very similar to the SWTOR model, with you having to buy permissions to wear purple or better gear, and having to buy extra access to PVP, etc.

Mission

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Mission wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

B2P option will have limits, bad limits, when SWTOR did it they put limits on PVP, Chat, XP, cash you can hold, Gear (you had to buy permission to use Purple gear) and loads more.

Even if you are VR14 I think that will annoy the living daylights out of you.

They have already said there wouldn't be any limits on B2P outside of dlc additions.

Not quite, they said we would have access to everything without buying DLC, they have not said unlimited access.

You could be right but that would mean they are charging an awful lot for DLC, given what we are paying for the sub, and they will want the subs to continue.

So I suspect you will find it operates very similar to the SWTOR model, with you having to buy permissions to wear purple or better gear, and having to buy extra access to PVP, etc.

One its called ESO unlimited, and 2 they said in the live stream. Their wouldn't be any paywalls effecting how you played currently in the game. Only paywalls for dlc content. Which in all reality is any additions minus bug fixes and balancing

AlexDougherty

Mission wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Mission wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

B2P option will have limits, bad limits, when SWTOR did it they put limits on PVP, Chat, XP, cash you can hold, Gear (you had to buy permission to use Purple gear) and loads more.

Even if you are VR14 I think that will annoy the living daylights out of you.

They have already said there wouldn't be any limits on B2P outside of dlc additions.

Not quite, they said we would have access to everything without buying DLC, they have not said unlimited access.

You could be right but that would mean they are charging an awful lot for DLC, given what we are paying for the sub, and they will want the subs to continue.

So I suspect you will find it operates very similar to the SWTOR model, with you having to buy permissions to wear purple or better gear, and having to buy extra access to PVP, etc.

One its called ESO unlimited, and 2 they said in the live stream. Their wouldn't be any paywalls effecting how you played currently in the game. Only paywalls for dlc content. Which in all reality is any additions minus bug fixes and balancing

I've only read what is on offer, not watched, but I did notice they were rather vague about what the difference will be.

As I said given that the SUBSCRPTIONS will cost the SAME, and they want that money to continue coming in, they will need some differences. Otherwise why would you pay a subscription, it costs more and gives you no more.

And I wouldn't call what I described as a paywall exactly, more a pay limitation, you pay for the limits to be relaxed, but even if you don't you can still do everything, just not as much.

AlexDougherty

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

B2P option will have limits, bad limits, when SWTOR did it they put limits on PVP, Chat, XP, cash you can hold, Gear (you had to buy permission to use Purple gear) and loads more.

Even if you are VR14 I think that will annoy the living daylights out of you.

Please, don't compare P2Win SWTOR system with the system Zenimax is offering. That's insulting and unfair. SWTOR has a F2P game. TESO will have a B2P game. That's a completely different story, they're not using such limits.

SWTOR isn't pay to win, most of the cash shop stuff there s fluff, the rest you can craft the equivalents if you want to.

And F2P and B2P have only one difference, the actual cash shops run of identical tracks.

Lord_Kreegan

Given ZOS' penchant for not telling us everything and hiding behind words that have been carefully chosen such that they can be interpreted in many different ways, nobody should expect that there won't be penalties to not paying a subscription.

Did you read anywhere or hear anything about limits on the numbers of characters you can have in your account? I didn't. It's bound to be a limitation.

There are bound to be other paywalls. There are always "compelling reasons" to subscribe, otherwise the whole idea of B2P/F2P is a stupid business proposition.

We won't find out what they are until "surprise day" happens in March.

Stay tuned... but FWIW you shouldn't notice anything different if you are a subscriber.

What you need to ask yourself is, "Would I have continued to subscribe if there hadn't been any announcement of the game going B2P?"

If the answer is "yes", then what are you bitching about?

Iago

Mission wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Mission wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

B2P option will have limits, bad limits, when SWTOR did it they put limits on PVP, Chat, XP, cash you can hold, Gear (you had to buy permission to use Purple gear) and loads more.

Even if you are VR14 I think that will annoy the living daylights out of you.

They have already said there wouldn't be any limits on B2P outside of dlc additions.

Not quite, they said we would have access to everything without buying DLC, they have not said unlimited access.

You could be right but that would mean they are charging an awful lot for DLC, given what we are paying for the sub, and they will want the subs to continue.

So I suspect you will find it operates very similar to the SWTOR model, with you having to buy permissions to wear purple or better gear, and having to buy extra access to PVP, etc.

One its called ESO unlimited, and 2 they said in the live stream. Their wouldn't be any paywalls effecting how you played currently in the game. Only paywalls for dlc content. Which in all reality is any additions minus bug fixes and balancing

Its not like we can believe anything ZOS employees say

BlueIllyrian

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

B2P option will have limits, bad limits, when SWTOR did it they put limits on PVP, Chat, XP, cash you can hold, Gear (you had to buy permission to use Purple gear) and loads more.

Even if you are VR14 I think that will annoy the living daylights out of you.

Please, don't compare P2Win SWTOR system with the system Zenimax is offering. That's insulting and unfair. SWTOR has a F2P game. TESO will have a B2P game. That's a completely different story, they're not using such limits.

The only thing insulting and unfair is you comparing this mess with SWTOR. SWTOR is P2P with tacked on restricted F2P to force you to go P2P and it's cash shop is fluff and/or alternative to ingame items.

You know what else is also different, SWTOR is successful with around 6% market share and $160 mil revenue in 2013. They fell flat on their face trying to be a wow killer but otherwise they achieved something ZOS can only dream of.

And your B2P will end up F2P soon enough, they all did unless built from base up for B2P like GW2.

Mission

Lord_Kreegan wrote: »

What you need to ask yourself is, "Would I have continued to subscribe if there hadn't been any announcement of the game going B2P?"

If the answer is "yes", then what are you bitching about?

It wasn't that i was bitching about what i get as a Subber. It's is it going to be of less value to free to play, and get all content for cheaper than what a subber is actually being tricked into paying. Again back to my original post. Which we have to wait and see...are dlc packs going to be too cheap for btp people vs subbers.

Maotti

Regardless, i will keep subbing.

Castagere

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

Or there will be no limits at all...Guild Wars 2, The Secret World.

The naysayers have no idea at all what the buy to play model will look like. I highly doubt that they are going to screw over console players with a f2p model like SWTOR.

First of all they need to stop comparing the ESO model to SWTOR . Its like most of these post are made by clueless people. B2P is different from SWTOR's F2P model. SWTOR's restrictions will not happen here.

Elsonso

Mission wrote: »

They have already said there wouldn't be any limits on B2P outside of dlc additions.

Shrug. They have already said that the subscription model is the best model for what they want to do with the game. I guess you can believe that statement and just say that they want to do something different with the game.

I am not saying that they lie, but they do change their mind a lot.

Personally, I prefer to look at all of these proclamations from them as short term goals. For the next 6-12 months, this is what they intend to do. This will be a game that has to be re-assessed constantly. It is not just a game to play for fun, attention now has to be paid to the game itself.

Mission wrote: »

If DLC content isn't at least $15 per month that it doesn't arrive. IE if it takes 2 months per DLC content release it needs to be at least $30 (3 months $45..ect) for it to be of value to subscribe. If its not, even with 1500 crowns per month, there is no value in being a subscriber.

We don't yet know what a Crown is worth. Once we know that, we can start to assess the value of a subscription. We won't know the cost of a DLC right away.

I am going to go out on a limb and project two things.

1. The 1500 Crowns/mo will be a pittance.
2. ZOS will prefer the Crown Store and that will be where all of the innovation and marketing will focus.

delphwind_ESO

Good luck with your cash grab ZOS, I am unsubbing now to avoid the cluster in the future.

The crap-tastic type of people you are going to let into your game when it goes F2P is going to drive your base clients away. If you do release content based on an in game store, or lock content behind a cash shop then you are going to drive your base clients away. The people that are going to rush to the game when it goes F2P are temporary, it's been proven over and over again with other games. They come in, destroy the game then leave, like those bad guests at a house party.

What little money you will make now will only hurt your game in the long run. The ONLY reason I can think of that you are doing this is that your overhead is far above what it should be and you are too close to going under.

If that is the case than this is truly a cash grab to make a few mil over the next year then either close your doors, or let the game slowly die like SOE did to Vanguard.

A true shame.

delphwind_ESO

Mission wrote: »

They have already said there wouldn't be any limits on B2P outside of dlc additions.

This has been done before to horrible ends. The work they have been doing on an expansion will be broken up into DLC releases, each put behind a cash wall and end up costing the player more than the expansion would have in the first place. ZOS is going to make a LOT of money over the next year, then the playerbase will be smaller than it is right now and they will be forced to stop making content as their cash cow will be milked dry.

This is the final nail in their coffins, I hope the employees at Zenimax have their resumes ready.

AlexDougherty

lordrichter wrote: »

Mission wrote: »

They have already said there wouldn't be any limits on B2P outside of dlc additions.

Shrug. They have already said that the subscription model is the best model for what they want to do with the game. I guess you can believe that statement and just say that they want to do something different with the game.

I am not saying that they lie, but they do change their mind a lot.

Personally, I prefer to look at all of these proclamations from them as short term goals. For the next 6-12 months, this is what they intend to do. This will be a game that has to be re-assessed constantly. It is not just a game to play for fun, attention now has to be paid to the game itself.

Mission wrote: »

If DLC content isn't at least $15 per month that it doesn't arrive. IE if it takes 2 months per DLC content release it needs to be at least $30 (3 months $45..ect) for it to be of value to subscribe. If its not, even with 1500 crowns per month, there is no value in being a subscriber.

We don't yet know what a Crown is worth. Once we know that, we can start to assess the value of a subscription. We won't know the cost of a DLC right away.

I am going to go out on a limb and project two things.

1. The 1500 Crowns/mo will be a pittance.
2. ZOS will prefer the Crown Store and that will be where all of the innovation and marketing will focus.

I agree, there will be restrictions on the B2P players, there has to be or subscriptions will stop immediately (£10 a month for no reason, I wouldn't pay it).

I also agree that the crowns have no value at the moment, I've been trying to explain this in another thread where people are demanding an increase in the amount they get :rolleyes:.

Until they launch the Crowns and the cashshop they have no value, and they will be setting that value as a tempter for you to buy stuff out of the cash shop. Enough value that you buy stuff, but not so much that you can get everything you want with your stipend.

Sallington

Mission wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

B2P option will have limits, bad limits, when SWTOR did it they put limits on PVP, Chat, XP, cash you can hold, Gear (you had to buy permission to use Purple gear) and loads more.

Even if you are VR14 I think that will annoy the living daylights out of you.

They have already said there wouldn't be any limits on B2P outside of dlc additions.

They also said they wouldn't go B2P.