TESO F2P.

Delte · January 2015

Hi
With the advent of the game going free to play I will not be playing the game anymore. I hate free to play mmo's, I know many here will mock my choice but I don't really care.

I would rather see the servers shut down and the game die than to see it go free to play.

All free to play mmo's have some sort of pay to win element to them which will mean you will end up spending more cash each month to be competitive in pvp, and will be forced to buy access to dungeons that are in the game and new ones that are going to be released.
Bank space will be limited as will guild chat. I have seen this two tier system before in another mmo. Hated it there and I will hate it in this game.

Also I feel I have been lied to by the developers after all they said about the game not going free to play only to turn around and break that promise. If I had known this was on the road map for the game I would never of even bought it.

TESO is the last mmo I was going to invest my time in, but with my hatred of free to play mmo's it is time to say good bye.

phairdon · January 2015

B2p.

darthbelanb14_ESO · January 2015

I would like to point out that Star Trek Online is F2P, and you can access all content without spending a dime, even the expansions. You are required to pay nothing to be competitive. So to say, "All free to play mmo's have some sort of pay to win element to them" would be incorrect. I could also site Guild Wars 2.

Neizir · January 2015

It's not F2P...why on earth would it go F2P?

There is a difference between B2P and F2P. Also, NONE of those things you mentioned are going to be in place. I think you should read the article first.

Morshire · January 2015

Um bye....just to add before they close it. No good bye threads they have said today.

BlueIllyrian · January 2015

Neizir wrote: »

It's not F2P...why on earth would it go F2P?

There is a difference between B2P and F2P. Also, NONE of those things you mentioned are going to be in place. I think you should read the article first.

B2P is identical to F2P minus initial fee, plus once cash shop is in full swing they will remove B2P wall to get more people to try the game and get hooked on cash shop.

EQBallzz · January 2015

I absolutely hate F2P but there is a distinction between F2P and B2P. This will be B2P. It is true that depending on how the B2P system is implemented and how it potentially changes..it could start leaning more towards F2P type systems or P2W systems but for now it looks like a standard B2P system similar to GW2 which I don't have a huge issue with.

BlueIllyrian · January 2015

darthbelanb14_ESO wrote: »

I would like to point out that Star Trek Online is F2P, and you can access all content without spending a dime, even the expansions. You are required to pay nothing to be competitive. So to say, "All free to play mmo's have some sort of pay to win element to them" would be incorrect. I could also site Guild Wars 2.

You forgot to mention that getting everything for free in STO is not practical unless you play 24/7 and even then somebody had to pay real money so you can buy items for ingame currency.

rylixav · January 2015

Neizir wrote: »

There is a difference between B2P and F2P.

Yeah, the difference is B2P charges an extra $25 for the box on top of all the same microtransactions as F2P.

sean.plackerb14_ESO · January 2015

I don't see how costumes, mounts (that have exact same stats as vendor mounts), soul gems, and potions (that are less effective than player made potions) are pay to win personally. I would at least wait till 1.6 hits PTS next week and we get a look at the crown store before making up your mind that it's pay to win. So far from the way it sounds if you keep your sub you wont even notice a dif other than a few perks like +10% XP +10% gold. You will get all DLC as it comes out.

Maybe it will be screwed and be p2w, but at least if you decide to cancel your sub now you can always login whenever you want to give it a chance and see if it really is. I would rather they have done this than see the game die, and I'm glad they left a optional sub so you can keep the game the same as it is now and not even pay attention to the crown store unless you want something cosmetic. Even then you'll get 500 crowns a month to use if you want, all though we have no idea what that's worth since we haven't seen any item prices. Next weeks look at the crown store on PTS is what will be the real deciding factor for me.

Bouvin · January 2015

phairdon wrote: »

B2p.

When the box prices drop to $5 are you still going to call it B2P?

They are doing exactly what LoTRO did, except you still have to buy the box.

My bet, is in 6 months when they see cash shop sales start to approach the revenue from subscriptions (plus) they'll announce you can download the base game for free and start putting up paywalls.

phairdon · January 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

B2p.

When the box prices drop to $5 are you still going to call it B2P?

They are doing exactly what LoTRO did, except you still have to buy the box.

My bet, is in 6 months when they see cash shop sales start to approach the revenue from subscriptions (plus) they'll announce you can download the base game for free and start putting up paywalls.

Yes. Until all versions of this game are removed from retail outlets & the only way to access the game is via download for free, then I will state it is f2p.

Bloodfang · January 2015

ESO won't be even 100% B2P, let long F2P.

It will be a hybrid between P2P / B2P.

pmn100b16_ESO · January 2015

Neizir wrote: »

It's not F2P...why on earth would it go F2P?

There is a difference between B2P and F2P. Also, NONE of those things you mentioned are going to be in place. I think you should read the article first.

And tell us the difference of in game material between b2p and f2p?

All you need to know:

B2P = cash shop
F2P = cash shop

BlueIllyrian · January 2015

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

Neizir wrote: »

It's not F2P...why on earth would it go F2P?

There is a difference between B2P and F2P. Also, NONE of those things you mentioned are going to be in place. I think you should read the article first.

And tell us the difference of in game material between b2p and f2p?

All you need to know:

B2P = cash shop
F2P = cash shop

Let me add:

B2P + cash shop - initial purchase = F2P

BlueIllyrian · January 2015

phairdon wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

B2p.

When the box prices drop to $5 are you still going to call it B2P?

They are doing exactly what LoTRO did, except you still have to buy the box.

My bet, is in 6 months when they see cash shop sales start to approach the revenue from subscriptions (plus) they'll announce you can download the base game for free and start putting up paywalls.

Yes. Until all versions of this game are removed from retail outlets & the only way to access the game is via download for free, then I will state it is f2p.

Buy hard copy, install, get patched for F2P.

matthiasmssb16_ESO · January 2015

I realy dont care for those "small" differences between b2p or f2p. If a shop is integrated into the system (and it will not be removed ever again), descriptions like "B2p" or "f2p" will not change anything for the path that is layed out in front of it. It will most likely end in small and slow changes up to f2p itself. What happens, if sells are dropping? If people get tired of those cosmetic items? Will they sit by and do nothing or will they slowly put several more interesting items into the shop? I have seen it before and i dont care for any worthless promisses, that points in another way... sry but for my part, all trust is gone! Money blinds, that`s the way it is.
Just one example: Take a look at lotro. Their players had the promise, that there only will be cosmetic items in the shop. In the end they broke their promise. As lovely as that game was, its ruined. No endcontent, no raids and the last area they made looks like someone was realy in a hurry to get it done without any concern of getting it right! Just sad to see and i fear in a few years, that could happen to eso too. But i dont want to witness it again!

Melian · January 2015

I agree. It's depressing, though. I liked this game, and I'm going to miss it. I don't have any interest in returning to WoW and there's nothing else intriguing out there... so many good memories...
*sigh*

If I stuck around to see the cash shop, though, it would only depress me more.

WraithAzraiel · January 2015

Why do people INSIST on airing their baggage about their likes and dislikes and their decisions?

"I shant be participating in this mockery of yadda yadda blah blah any longer! Fare thee well, mortal beings! Alas I shall take myself elsewhere! MOURN ME NOT, sweet flowers....mourn. me. not."

Pretension - these types of post have it.

And if I'm not mistaken there is a rule against "Goodbye" threads in the Code of Conduct.

Expect to see this thread locked and deleted.

Bon chance!

ZOS_TristanK · January 2015

Hi there folks. As others have mentioned we do not allow goodbye threads on the forums. That said, you are welcome to continue a constructive discussion about today's announcement in one of the larger more active threads. Thank you for your understanding.