B2P Statement and out-and-out disgust

Pmarsico9

If I cannot pay monthly at my current sub fee (still on a 6 month) and not be at a disadvantage to people who buy XP boosts and other such dookie methods of expediting the game process, then this game is not for me.

If there are roadblocks added that predicate spending money beyond a monthly subscription fee that directly tie to playing the game (i.e. suddenly my bank mules and alt all require $5 to re-unlock) then screw you.

This community has been very patient and understanding of the multitudes of bugs and balance issues that were discussed during the beta but never addressed and is essentially taking a massive forcefeed serving of dung because the very statement I made DURING THE BETA is ABSOLUTELY TRUE:

You can't charge a sub on a third party proprietary network in the console version.

So you bled us for what it was worth for monthly subs from "launch" (the quotes are because you also used us all as extended beta testers due to the proliferation of bugs that still exist and vile lag in Cyrodiil) to subsidize the console launch and conversion to some nickel and dime trash that is B2P.

This is underhanded unless you continue to not only offer us EVERYTHING that B2P people will have available for a monthly sub, but do so with a full 6 month sub available again.

Marthenil

From my understanding, subscribers will get a monthly quota of "crowns" which is the new RL money currency.

Still, I agree with your post.

Tandor

The 6 monthly sub will be available. You'll get all the DLC for free and plenty of crowns to use each month in the cash shop. Read the FAQ for full details of the new arrangements.

warren2345

Don't worry -- standard procedure is that you get everything unlocked when subbed, and some of the new currency in the bank on top of that. Then, if you unsub, you can use the currency to unlock bags/zones/whatever -- if you are strategic, there is a good chance that you don't have to sub all the time to get a full experience.

This is how it works with LOTRO, anyway, and I assume ESO will be similar.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

I personally am disappointed. The only good thing about this game was that it was a sub based game. I guess I will just quit playing MMOs altogether because they all are pay to win now. I know they claim there will be nothing in the store to give advantage. Fact is LOTRO claimed the same thing and now look at their store. You can even buy end game gear and crafting mats from the store. Stat tomes which were rare raid drops are now on the store for I think $5. So ya I dont trust them not to put items which give advantage on the store.

Wizzo91

Tandor wrote: »

The 6 monthly sub will be available. You'll get all the DLC for free and plenty of crowns to use each month in the cash shop. Read the FAQ for full details of the new arrangements.

You know this is not of highest importance, to me at least? The community will be destroyed as we know it.

MissBizz

As well, anyone has has been subbed all this time gets crowns for each month that you have had an active sub. Plus crowns for any time left.

Tandor

Wizzo91 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

The 6 monthly sub will be available. You'll get all the DLC for free and plenty of crowns to use each month in the cash shop. Read the FAQ for full details of the new arrangements.

You know this is not of highest importance, to me at least? The community will be destroyed as we know it.

I don't see why it should be. F2P would certainly have brought in a lot of kids playing something for nothing, but the B2P requirement to buy the box will go some way to preventing that, and the way the business model is structured it's going to be very much the same as TSW which has maintained the same character but with an increased player-base.

I guess a lot depends on your playstyle. As a solo PvEer, arguments about P2W don't apply to me, I'm not competing with anyone. PvPers will obviously be the ones most keen to see that the cash shop doesn't offer items that give advantages to those with the most money, and ZOS can be judged accordingly on that.

Hopefully the amount of crowns given to subscribers will allow an equal comparison between those who take a subscription and those who choose to pay more selectively through the cash shop. I won't be interested in the P2W or other complaints from freeloaders who neither want to pay a subscription nor spend any money in the cash shop. The test will simply be whether someone who pays about the same amount as now whether through a subscription or through the cash shop will be at a disadvantage compared to someone paying a lot more. Time will tell, but I'll take a "glass half full" approach to that at this stage and be glad of the additional players this change will bring.

Roechacca

Sick to my stomach at this news . I've already experienced this debacle on all my favorite games . I don't need to experience it again .