DKs ridiculous AOE output and resource Management

Alcast

My Character is V1 atm. However, I can pull 4 pack of v11 Mobs in Spellscar. And as you see I end the fight almost with FULL resources. Also, popping standards like it is Christmas day.

So, either Mobs are too weak or DKs are stupidly OP.
Please show me another class who can pull so many mobs at once at V1.

http://youtu.be/Qnh7N9veeek

Vixen

DK's may be OP (for the moment) but I will never play one because Templars are still the best Maybe if I was allowed to heal as DK in our raids I would make one!! :P Haha!<3

Alcast

If my Templar would get resources back everytime I pop a Ulti I would be damn happy. But seems developers dun want thast to happen.

Vixen

That's because Templars are already amaaaazing Cesille, if we did, we would be so godly in game everyone else would just quit!! LOL :'D

TehMagnus

I bet Good NBs can do that, ask Enclaver.

Alcast

Magnus, I am a noob DK and I can do it.

Alcast

Vixen wrote: »

That's because Templars are already amaaaazing Cesille, if we did, we would be so godly in game everyone else would just quit!! LOL :'D

JuL1aN

Every Class can do this except Sorcs i guess.

Alcast

JuL1aN wrote: »

Every Class can do this except Sorcs i guess.

I will try it with my V1 templar in the afternoon, he got the same gear. Though I assure you it will be a massacre lol

Ashanne

I can pull 3 groups of mobs in Spellscar with my V3 Templar and finish them all...Biting jabs and Bats constantly...and for instant bats pop 3 blazing shields in middle of mobs ...so talking about OP DKs..and I do have a DK of V14

Alcast

Ashanne wrote: »

I can pull 3 groups of mobs in Spellscar with my V3 Templar and finish them all...Biting jabs and Bats constantly...and for instant bats pop 3 blazing shields in middle of mobs ...so talking about OP DKs..and I do have a DK of V14

So tell me do you have full resources at the end of the fight? I could go on all day long with that without needing a break to refill resources except for repairing my armor when it is at 0%.

Ashanne

My life is full at the end...and heavy attack with resto on the last big mob ..so I am instantly back in the fight ...next 3 mob group pulling...
Oh..and I am running with V1 gear
Are you going to try that with your redguard Templar (signature)...well that is not the best class for a magika based build

Alcast

Ashanne wrote: »

My life is full at the end...and heavy attack with resto on the last big mob ..so I am instantly back in the fight ...next 3 mob group pulling...
Oh..and I am running with V1 gear
Are you going to try that with your redguard Templar (signature)...well that is not the best class for a magika based build

Could you please record that I will try it in the afternoon, my V1 Templar is a breton btw.
Have to craft i Resto staff though lol, but good point with getting magicka back

Ashanne

I have never recorded anything so I can't really post a record..
Please do try and let us know how it went .. Notice I am also a vampire Stage4 ..

xMovingTarget

Its fine. Update 6 will nerf it anyway. Enjoy it until it lasts. Lets grind together later

Moezilla

A NB can do this with Siphon Strikes and VoB.

Islyn

Sap essence ss and vob.

Epsilon_Echo

Alcast wrote: »

JuL1aN wrote: »

Every Class can do this except Sorcs i guess.

I will try it with my V1 templar in the afternoon, he got the same gear. Though I assure you it will be a massacre lol

Blazing Shield, Cleave or Steel Tornado, Bitting Jabs, Blazing spear, Repentance.

Its not hard to make an AoE mob build. Build theory says that any class can do it with a basic formula although refinement is needed on a case by case basis.

Skill 1: Damage Mitigation (Damage shield or alternative)
Skill 2: AoE Damage skill
Skill 3: Siphoning skill ( Resource return skill or alternative)
Skill 4: Wild card skill (Supplement to skill to 1-3 as needed by class/build)
Skill 5: Buff Skill

Panda244

NB, light or heavy armor, sap essence spam, you'll end the fight with more than half your resources and prolly have dropped 4-5 veils the entire fight. Siphoning Attacks OP, NB OP, plezz nerf NB?

My main is a sap tank and I can run into 15 people and just stand there until I run out of resources, which is about 30-40s, magicka runs out first, then stam, then I die. If I have tripots though..... *trollface*

eliisra

Yes very possible, if NB VR1. Had no problems pulling half of Spellscar on mine at lower VR levels, as long as I avoided certain packs. Siphoning Strikes, Sap and stacking 2-3 VoB's you can take on infinite amount of mobs as long as the majority is mele.

Sorc or templar not so sure. My templar back at VR1 would be out of resources half-way, doing that. Also takes ages re-building Nova, compared to VoB or Standard.

Similar issue with sorc, not enough resource management at VR1. Would probably be very easy for a sorc if the Storm Atronach still taunted enemies. Remember before the nerf I could have 2-3 atro's up on sorc, all the monsters would be beating on them, letting me AoE peacefully.

Anyway, probably possible for all classes with good player + right build. Above is just my own scrub/average player experience lol.

Nijjion

NBs and Temps can do this also. So can my sorc friend he said but not as much.

Asgari

Nijjion wrote: »

NBs and Temps can do this also. So can my sorc friend he said but not as much.

Sorcs for this really rely on their reduced ulti cost and bats plus impulse over and over with crit surge in there .. It can be done.

Also don't forget for PvE and PvP battle roar is ridiculous. You would have died each time you dropped those banners if battle roar didn't return so much resources.

Once battle roar is adjusted time will tell how valuable they are.

PBpsy

Templar Vamp in light with Inferno staff can pull multiple spellscar groups also. I could do it at VR2 -3. Not as efficient as a NB or Dk but not bad either. However this is spellscar where we had multiple stealth nerfs over the months and we are fighting easy daedra and undead that generate almost double the ultimate you can get in most places. For this place what is OP is Banish the Wicked more than Battle Roar.

Durham

Stam sorcs can easily do this ... Steel tornado with crit heals .... My brother does it all the Time... We actually went there tonight I was trying out a pve spec stamina DK using various abilities with steel tornado...I like to try all kinds of specs on classes ...

pppontus

I will agree that every class can do this with different setups, the difference will be that the DK does it in 1/3rd of the time

Tankqull

Alcast wrote: »

My Character is V1 atm. However, I can pull 4 pack of v11 Mobs in Spellscar. And as you see I end the fight almost with FULL resources. Also, popping standards like it is Christmas day.

So, either Mobs are too weak or DKs are stupidly OP.
Please show me another class who can pull so many mobs at once at V1.

http://youtu.be/Qnh7N9veeek

my NB did that too. but both classes are stupidly overpowered regarding aoe dmg and resource mengement.
sorcs with correct skill choice doe that aswell. pulse+crit surge+evilhunter = 100% allstats after any pull.

Wifeaggro13

Alcast wrote: »

My Character is V1 atm. However, I can pull 4 pack of v11 Mobs in Spellscar. And as you see I end the fight almost with FULL resources. Also, popping standards like it is Christmas day.

So, either Mobs are too weak or DKs are stupidly OP.
Please show me another class who can pull so many mobs at once at V1.

http://youtu.be/Qnh7N9veeek

Well in all honesty its not evn the class. its the stupid game design that rely's whole on AOE DPS for its primary game mechanic instead of CC , survivablility, LOS, Aggro management Or any other mechanics MMO's combat has used in the past. Its really only the dress and stick on the DK build that produces that result. Doing that in heavy armor you would never have the magica or crit values to accomplish this with any regularity.

All of that is changing in 1.6 anyhow. In all honesty this game was a solid year away from release as far as balance went. I truthfully cannot believe they released it like this. If anything the otheer classes need to be brought up significantly and DK reduced a tad. But your outrage video has been done 100 x over from 4 weeks post launch. We have all seen it we all know the harry potter spec for DK. Can we move along

Moezilla

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Well in all honesty its not evn the class. its the stupid game design that rely's whole on AOE DPS for its primary game mechanic instead of CC , survivablility, LOS, Aggro management Or any other mechanics MMO's combat has used in the past. Its really only the dress and stick on the DK build that produces that result. Doing that in heavy armor you would never have the magica or crit values to accomplish this with any regularity.

All of that is changing in 1.6 anyhow. In all honesty this game was a solid year away from release as far as balance went. I truthfully cannot believe they released it like this. If anything the otheer classes need to be brought up significantly and DK reduced a tad. But your outrage video has been done 100 x over from 4 weeks post launch. We have all seen it we all know the harry potter spec for DK. Can we move along

I can guarantee you that you can produce the same results with any weapon or armor type on a DK. Stop trying to bash a class or game play style.