How to earn champion points AND play the way you want.

Valen_Byte

Ok this is just a thought I had. All I ask is that you at least think about it before you light me up saying its the dumbest idea you have ever heard.

I was trying to think of a way for us to earn these points that would be fare to all play styles. This would include the RPer, PVPers, PVEers and even the socialites who enjoy standing around there favorite city chatting with friends, dancing and just having a good time.

What if CP earnings where a simple time based system. Say, Idk, 2 hours of in-game time for 1 point. You pay your sub, spend time in the game (how ever you want to spend it) and earn points. Simple.

This would do away with the need to nerf grind spots or force anyone to deviate from there play style. We could all then play the way we want, just like we have been told we could from day one.

Thoughts? (be nice, its just an idea)

Drasn

Bad idea.

24hr/day afk in game is all I have to say.

Ahdora

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Bad idea.

24hr/day afk in game is all I have to say.

This. People would just use programs to keep from being logged out for inactivity.

Or, I guess, auto run into a corner. (Does that even work?)

dharbert

Ahdora wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Bad idea.

24hr/day afk in game is all I have to say.

This. People would just use programs to keep from being logged out for inactivity.

Or, I guess, auto run into a corner. (Does that even work?)

^ This.

I would do my usual grind, dungeons, etc.... then stay logged in and use a program to move my mouse every few seconds or press a key or something to stay active while I'm at work until I got home.

Not going to happen. It would be very easily abused.

kijima

Playing at home and having a family, children...basically life. There are times when I have to afk for a time that usually extends into being disconnected.

I've tried to find a quiet place to stealth up and auto walk in a corner somewhere, I still come back to a disconnected screen. Not sure it works.

Valen_Byte

I agree, a bit, I dont think it would be hard to tell if someone was abusing the system. Im sure they could tell if you had been logged in for days, not doing anything.

dharbert wrote: »

Ahdora wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Bad idea.

24hr/day afk in game is all I have to say.

This. People would just use programs to keep from being logged out for inactivity.

Or, I guess, auto run into a corner. (Does that even work?)

^ This.

I would do my usual grind, dungeons, etc.... then stay logged in and use a program to move my mouse every few seconds or press a key or something to stay active while I'm at work until I got home.

Not going to happen. It would be very easily abused.

Do you know of a program that does this? Would be interesting to see someone try what you are suggesting.

Edit: now that I think about it, I guess you could just set a macro in a never ending loop. I would think that there could be a solution to this one problem, rather than just saying 'bad idea'. After all, we are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams.

Vyle_Byte

Valen_Byte wrote: »

After all, we are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams.

+10 points for the awesomeness of this

Ommamar

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Bad idea.

24hr/day afk in game is all I have to say.

In Warhammer Online right before I moved on they had made the rvr point system to give points just for being in a rvr zone. This is how people took advantage of it.
By ZoS description it sounds like any method of actively playing the game (Quest, Grind, PVP) would produce champion points. Add in the enlightenment factor and I don't think Champion points are going to be all that hard to earn once you have reached levle 50.

olemanwinter

Even if this wasn't abused, it's a bad idea because it furthers the idea that everyone needs to be equal. Equal opportunity is NOT guaranteed equality of outcome.

This game, all games really, already have a problem with a general trend toward removing diversity and removing RISK/REWARD.

You want to farm and be rich? Fine, you won't have finely tuned pvp skills.

You want to spend all your time in PvP? That's fine, you will be poor and have trouble getting the highest and best gear.

You want to collect all the set pieces in the game? Fine, but you will have no time to farm or pvp.

DECISIONS. RISK. REWARD. DIVERSITY of action and style.

Faugaun

Valen_Byte wrote: »

I agree, a bit, I dont think it would be hard to tell if someone was abusing the system. Im sure they could tell if you had been logged in for days, not doing anything.

dharbert wrote: »

Ahdora wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Bad idea.

24hr/day afk in game is all I have to say.

This. People would just use programs to keep from being logged out for inactivity.

Or, I guess, auto run into a corner. (Does that even work?)

^ This.

I would do my usual grind, dungeons, etc.... then stay logged in and use a program to move my mouse every few seconds or press a key or something to stay active while I'm at work until I got home.

Not going to happen. It would be very easily abused.

Do you know of a program that does this? Would be interesting to see someone try what you are suggesting.

Edit: now that I think about it, I guess you could just set a macro in a never ending loop. I would think that there could be a solution to this one problem, rather than just saying 'bad idea'. After all, we are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams.

http://m.download.cnet.com/Free-Mouse-Auto-Clicker/3000-2084_4-75221696.html

Not the one I used previously, but I had a nifty macro program I used on mafia wars to navigate a sequence of updating browser pages.I could create complex macros of screen clicks and button presses with time delays that I specified between button presses. I let it run for a few weeks hitting bounties in one window and buying properties in 13 windows by the end I had over a million of each building type and crazy income.... So its out there....that said don't risk it, it's one thing to do this is a free game that you don't care about. Don't do it in a paid game where you could lose a lot of work... Its just a bad idea.

zward887_ESO

Dust 514 had this issue real bad last year. They used to award the majority of your skill points (same as exp) for just being in a match and you used to see 'afk farmers' all over the place. It was really quite bad and they have tried to fix it through various patches since.

You have good intentions but the potential for abuse is just too high. What this is really highlighting is a true lack of interesting end game content. This is what happens when you follow the typical WoW model of putting 90% of your release content on a 'one and done' quest schedule.

Hopefully we'll start seeing new content come 1.7+ to actually make 'grinding' for CPs less of a grind. Until then, lets hope dungeon and pvp exp is balanced well enough to be worth it for diversity of content.

Blud

@Valen_Byte‌

The people who want to be "the best" i.e., better than other people, simply will not like this at all.

They are the conqueror types and the whole point of the game for them is to conquer other people who play the game. They will go through any kind of grind or arduous difficulty even if they hate it and say it's a total bore. They will do it with one purpose in mind. To defeat others. To be better.

So I don't think your proposal will go over well with that portion of the community who tend to be quite proud of their status within games.

WraithAzraiel

olemanwinter wrote: »

Even if this wasn't abused, it's a bad idea because it furthers the idea that everyone needs to be equal. Equal opportunity is NOT guaranteed equality of outcome.

This game, all games really, already have a problem with a general trend toward removing diversity and removing RISK/REWARD.

You want to farm and be rich? Fine, you won't have finely tuned pvp skills.

You want to spend all your time in PvP? That's fine, you will be poor and have trouble getting the highest and best gear.

You want to collect all the set pieces in the game? Fine, but you will have no time to farm or pvp.

DECISIONS. RISK. REWARD. DIVERSITY of action and style.

Holy hell this.

I'm sick and tired of all this Communist, Harrison Bergeron knocking everyone down to be equal to the lowest common denominator malarkey.


SO TIRED. If you don't put in the work, you shouldn't get any sort of reward. Your mediocrity isn't a desirable trait.

The school system and parents of today and tomorrow need to learn this and stop allowing wastes of space into the job market.

You are not special. You are not wonderful just the way you are. You want to be happy and successful? Work for it.

In game, out of game. Every aspect of life in which you want to excel requires dedication and perseverance.

Endeavor.

Valen_Byte

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Even if this wasn't abused, it's a bad idea because it furthers the idea that everyone needs to be equal. Equal opportunity is NOT guaranteed equality of outcome.

This game, all games really, already have a problem with a general trend toward removing diversity and removing RISK/REWARD.

You want to farm and be rich? Fine, you won't have finely tuned pvp skills.

You want to spend all your time in PvP? That's fine, you will be poor and have trouble getting the highest and best gear.

You want to collect all the set pieces in the game? Fine, but you will have no time to farm or pvp.

DECISIONS. RISK. REWARD. DIVERSITY of action and style.

Holy hell this.

I'm sick and tired of all this Communist, Harrison Bergeron knocking everyone down to be equal to the lowest common denominator malarkey.


SO TIRED. If you don't put in the work, you shouldn't get any sort of reward. Your mediocrity isn't a desirable trait.

The school system and parents of today and tomorrow need to learn this and stop allowing wastes of space into the job market.

You are not special. You are not wonderful just the way you are. You want to be happy and successful? Work for it.

In game, out of game. Every aspect of life in which you want to excel requires dedication and perseverance.

Endeavor.

Wow man you've got some issues...I think you should go talk to someone before you snap.

Valen_Byte

Blud wrote: »

@Valen_Byte‌

The people who want to be "the best" i.e., better than other people, simply will not like this at all.

Your right, a couple of them have responded lol

Vyle_Byte

Holy mother of...

Remind me not to have any 'ideas'! Shame on you Valen! Shame!! LOL

I can see why, for the sake of people exploiting, that this wouldn't work however, I'd not say it was a bad idea. At least your creativity is flowing and you aren't just sitting on the forums waiting to bash the hell outta everyone.

WraithAzraiel

Valen_Byte wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Even if this wasn't abused, it's a bad idea because it furthers the idea that everyone needs to be equal. Equal opportunity is NOT guaranteed equality of outcome.

This game, all games really, already have a problem with a general trend toward removing diversity and removing RISK/REWARD.

You want to farm and be rich? Fine, you won't have finely tuned pvp skills.

You want to spend all your time in PvP? That's fine, you will be poor and have trouble getting the highest and best gear.

You want to collect all the set pieces in the game? Fine, but you will have no time to farm or pvp.

DECISIONS. RISK. REWARD. DIVERSITY of action and style.

Holy hell this.

I'm sick and tired of all this Communist, Harrison Bergeron knocking everyone down to be equal to the lowest common denominator malarkey.


SO TIRED. If you don't put in the work, you shouldn't get any sort of reward. Your mediocrity isn't a desirable trait.

The school system and parents of today and tomorrow need to learn this and stop allowing wastes of space into the job market.

You are not special. You are not wonderful just the way you are. You want to be happy and successful? Work for it.

In game, out of game. Every aspect of life in which you want to excel requires dedication and perseverance.

Endeavor.

Wow man you've got some issues...I think you should go talk to someone before you snap.

Oh I'm fine. It's just irritating seeing useless individuals all over the damn place. My rants are all the therapy I need. I feel great after letting it all out.

It's not safe to keep feelings bottled up, you know.

Joejudas

It's not the craziest idea ever....it's just not a good one. People would abuse it.

WraithAzraiel

Blud wrote: »

@Valen_Byte‌

The people who want to be "the best" i.e., better than other people, simply will not like this at all.

They are the conqueror types and the whole point of the game for them is to conquer other people who play the game. They will go through any kind of grind or arduous difficulty even if they hate it and say it's a total bore. They will do it with one purpose in mind. To defeat others. To be better.

So I don't think your proposal will go over well with that portion of the community who tend to be quite proud of their status within games.

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Blud wrote: »

@Valen_Byte‌

The people who want to be "the best" i.e., better than other people, simply will not like this at all.

Your right, a couple of them have responded lol

No, knuckles. What you're saying and what Blud said are 2 different types of people.

Blud was referring to the "RAWR I MUST PWNZOR'S all NUBS and BE SUPER AWESOME" players that are generally d-bags.


You're lumping everyone who wants to be the best at something they enjoy and be rewarded equal to their amount of effort into that category. And not only is that wrong, it's an insult.

So be careful with your generalizations.

TheShadowScout

This idea does seem a bit like communism - a good idea in theory, but too faulty to work in practice due to human nature being what it is, and taking advantage of the ideas flaws.

Yes, afkers will pop up if you award stuff per time. No matter what, if you allow it, they will come, using macros and little add ons to convince the game they are playing when they are afking. Making one action every few minutes on auto.

Of course... PvEers and PvPers will earn their awards playing the way they want, RPers may miss out a bit if they RP more and do all that XP/ChP earning stuff less. So Rpers will need to do some PvE&PvP as well if they want to advance their character. What else is new in any MMO?

Valen_Byte

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

Blud wrote: »

@Valen_Byte‌

The people who want to be "the best" i.e., better than other people, simply will not like this at all.

They are the conqueror types and the whole point of the game for them is to conquer other people who play the game. They will go through any kind of grind or arduous difficulty even if they hate it and say it's a total bore. They will do it with one purpose in mind. To defeat others. To be better.

So I don't think your proposal will go over well with that portion of the community who tend to be quite proud of their status within games.

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Blud wrote: »

@Valen_Byte‌

The people who want to be "the best" i.e., better than other people, simply will not like this at all.

Your right, a couple of them have responded lol

No, knuckles. What you're saying and what Blud said are 2 different types of people.

Blud was referring to the "RAWR I MUST PWNZOR'S all NUBS and BE SUPER AWESOME" players that are generally d-bags.


You're lumping everyone who wants to be the best at something they enjoy and be rewarded equal to their amount of effort into that category. And not only is that wrong, it's an insult.

So be careful with your generalizations.

Its really not hard to understand is it? People who spent the most time, would be rewarded most. How about if I decide as to what I was referring to, ok. The people who take this form of entertainment way to serious, are the ones who say things like 'this is communism' 'Im amurican, I desurve more!!' This is just a game you know.

Look, I dont care either way. Im not a PVPer, Im not a RPer. Im a casual player I suppose. I see people concerned about them nerffing grind spots. I see people concerned that the RP community gets the shaft. I see people concerned that because they have already done all the quests, that they have no way to earn the xp that they need to gain points. I was just trying to think of a way to make it work for everyone. Well, *** on me I guess for thinking of other people. I guess I should just be concerned with myself and say screw the rest of you. I will have a good time playing regardless of the changes. When it is no longer fun, Ill stop playing.

Drasn

Valen_Byte wrote: »

Is it bad that the first thing I noticed was the monitor and thought, "Poor guy?"

Jaxsun

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Even if this wasn't abused, it's a bad idea because it furthers the idea that everyone needs to be equal. Equal opportunity is NOT guaranteed equality of outcome.

This game, all games really, already have a problem with a general trend toward removing diversity and removing RISK/REWARD.

You want to farm and be rich? Fine, you won't have finely tuned pvp skills.

You want to spend all your time in PvP? That's fine, you will be poor and have trouble getting the highest and best gear.

You want to collect all the set pieces in the game? Fine, but you will have no time to farm or pvp.

DECISIONS. RISK. REWARD. DIVERSITY of action and style.

Holy hell this.

I'm sick and tired of all this Communist, Harrison Bergeron knocking everyone down to be equal to the lowest common denominator malarkey.


SO TIRED. If you don't put in the work, you shouldn't get any sort of reward. Your mediocrity isn't a desirable trait.

The school system and parents of today and tomorrow need to learn this and stop allowing wastes of space into the job market.

You are not special. You are not wonderful just the way you are. You want to be happy and successful? Work for it.

In game, out of game. Every aspect of life in which you want to excel requires dedication and perseverance.

Endeavor.

So, you're saying you wanna set my country music award on fire?

OrphanHelgen

You asked for understanding and people to be nice, and the first comments I read is ofc negative comments. I knew already about issues with auto walk in one direction and programs for not inactive.
I believe there could be a solution to that, where its possible to track if the player do the same movements over and over again. But I don't think this could be the only way of earning champion points. I snipe guild stores a lot, and don't deserve champion points for that. And also, earning points for farming mats seams op

Salkand

My mouse has these two weird little side buttons on it, that for years have never done anything. Seriously, they were useless.

Until I started ESO. One makes my toon walk, and I don't have to hold it down, I just click it and he starts walking until I click it again.

SO yeah. . . I can walk forever!

Ahdora

Salkand wrote: »

My house has these two weird little side buttons on it, that for years have never done anything. Seriously, they were useless.

Until I started ESO. One makes my toon walk, and I don't have to hold it down, I just click it and he starts walking until I click it again.

SO yeah. . . I can walk forever!

I feel gypped, my house has no such autowalk buttons! Would save me lots of energy while cleaning.

Edit: Aww, you fixed it. That's no fun, heh

WraithAzraiel

Jaxsun wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

olemanwinter wrote: »

Even if this wasn't abused, it's a bad idea because it furthers the idea that everyone needs to be equal. Equal opportunity is NOT guaranteed equality of outcome.

This game, all games really, already have a problem with a general trend toward removing diversity and removing RISK/REWARD.

You want to farm and be rich? Fine, you won't have finely tuned pvp skills.

You want to spend all your time in PvP? That's fine, you will be poor and have trouble getting the highest and best gear.

You want to collect all the set pieces in the game? Fine, but you will have no time to farm or pvp.

DECISIONS. RISK. REWARD. DIVERSITY of action and style.

Holy hell this.

I'm sick and tired of all this Communist, Harrison Bergeron knocking everyone down to be equal to the lowest common denominator malarkey.


SO TIRED. If you don't put in the work, you shouldn't get any sort of reward. Your mediocrity isn't a desirable trait.

The school system and parents of today and tomorrow need to learn this and stop allowing wastes of space into the job market.

You are not special. You are not wonderful just the way you are. You want to be happy and successful? Work for it.

In game, out of game. Every aspect of life in which you want to excel requires dedication and perseverance.

Endeavor.

So, you're saying you wanna set my country music award on fire?

Yes.

Reason? It's not METAL enough.

You can't lift to country. EVERYDAY IS METAL-LEG DAY.