ZOS, are we allowed to not give a **** about your pve?

Elendor

Oh, players sit in a dungeon and kill the same bosses over and over again to xp. Oh the poor souls, they're missing out on our amazing quests, content, and other great dungeons we made! Let's nerf boss xp!

Wait what...? These players are now sitting in a dungeon to kill TRASH now to avoid our pve content?

At this stage you would think that it seems fairly obvious, some of us really, really don't care about the pve content. But nooo, we will enlighten them and have them come back to the virtuous path of questing and ***. Let's destroy the trash grinding spot!

How did these wretched players think they would get away with this? After all, we did invent the daily pledges to force all our dungeon content down their throats, did they not understand our intent?

Can we agree to disagree on the usefulness of your pve content? Yeah, i'm sure some people have put a lot of hard work into it. Great. There are pve heroes out there, they are the ones the content is aimed for. WHY do you wanna make us go too?

Some players are fairly hardcore pvp players. Dungeons and quests, for us it's garbage. Can we please grind our way through it without you f***ing it up? We feel the need to get the right VR (they will still be here for a while, considering how they won't change in 1.6, which is gonna late anyway), and to get gear, and to get the right passives.

Let's face it, the undaunted passives are nice. For pvp, we want them. Couldn't we just sit in every possible dungeon for 3 days, and get like 15 points for every god**mn one of them? No, we have to experience this s**t every f***ing day?
I mean, if pve people really love those dungeons, sure they can do it whenever, everyday, right? Why do we have to do it like this, too?

If we have several VR14 char to optimize, oh great, we're either doing 1 pledge on just one char every day for the next YEAR, or we have to do those f***ing pledges on EVERY CHARACTER daily. YAAAY, a dozen dungeons (1 vet / 1 non-vet) a day.

Having to go through 4h of pve dungeons every day for a month to optimize for pvp, please kill me by the end of it! Please adjust the direction you're taking, so that it's not only aiming at one category of players.

Oh, and while we're at it, sort your 1.6 before putting it out there. The ultimate gains? Are those a joke? Once again, maybe they'll please some pro pve weaving boss eaters who wanna balance everyone's ulti gain, but in pvp? You play good, you play bad, you use skills, you don't, you all get the same *** ulti, great!
You just do a light attack every 8 sec to get the magic buff for sh**ty gain!

How does that make any sense? Ulti should reward doing things that makes sense (damage, heals, synergies, kills). Of course, with the change to aoe cap, ulti gain needs tweaking, but it doesn't need to become brainless.

Talking about aoe cap changes, when you do changes to the pvp why always with a bulldozer? We needed aoe cap changes months ago. You could have put to 12. Or 24. Or whatever, tweak them around.
NOOO, LEET'S PUT THE CAP TO 60! AND ADD AN ANTI-ZERG ANTI-PURGE BOMB TOO! Stand anywhere near an ally and explode, mwahaha!

Could you not do one change, then observe how it evolves, and see if the need for further changes in the same direction is still there? Don't you feel like you're shoving a lot into that 1.6 already?

Do we need an anti-purge skill, since purge is already *** up as it is? One day you messed purge, making it do the exact opposite of what it's intended to do, an actual anti-self-zerg skill.
How do you plan on fixing that in 1.6? Nerf blockade instead of fixing purge?
Blockade is only one way to exploit the purge bug, any dot will do (including fire siege). So not only is it not a fix, it's also completely beside the point.

Bottom line is, it's time to give a break to the players who only care about pvp and only want to avoid most of the pve content you're trying to force down our throat. And if I were you, I would also really be careful with the amount of changes in the 1.6 to ensure that you're not about to completely mess up the pvp. Some changes are more than needed, but go easy on the pvp balance. You could end up loosing a lot of your pvp player base if you keep going in the wrong direction consistently.

Gyudan

I am confused. Is this about PVE or PVP or just a random rant about nothing specific?

Beesting

This rant reminds me of my thought this afternoon while in cyrodyll haderus eu

I thought " why can't i just get AP and rank up just by riding my goddamned horse? "

I need that purge, and i just want to pve, not ride horse in a never ending castle rotation.

So i vote yes give me the pvp rank to unlock purge and you can have undaunted 10!

I dont even know how many hours of horseriding i need i am 60 % on support skill line 3

Rant over

Gorthax

Sounds like someone doesn't want to lose the power that he has that was NEVER intended by ZoS. Ultis.....yea those are just another skill. They don't feel ultimate when you spam them over and over again. It has NOTHING to do with "being good or bad" when it comes to ultimate gain. It has everything to do with permablocking, skills with to high of a proc rate for ulti gain, crit hit chance, dodge rolling, and healing. None of that says good or bad player.

Sorry you feel like you do. Maybe find another game? Everyone should of known the current meta would never of lasted. Look how it is lol it is way out of control. Yes though let's hate ZOS for balancing

Bloodfang

It's a rant about how PvP should be more important than PvE -> which clearly won't ever happen, unless you want ZOS to shut ESO tomorrow..

PBpsy

I think it is a rant prompted by the Rkundzelft nerf. As a mostly PVE player agree completely that it was an extra dumb move.

kijima

Did the barista at Starbucks stuff up your order again and slip you a double shot...

Or are you always this angry?

Vyle_Byte

I want the 10 minutes of my life it took me to read this post back.

bosmern_ESO

Yes, at the moment it sucks that ZoS is nerfing grind spots, because for a player like myself, I dont care about the other two factions questline and don't want to quest for my enemies in anyway, and going from V1-V14 in pvp doesn't sound very appealing.

But the reason why ZoS is nerfing grinding is because when 1.6 comes out they don't want people to sit there and grind for 40+ hours straight and have tons of more champion points then everyone else giving them an unfair advantage then people who would rather PvP or Do dungeons/trials for their champion points.

Bloodfang

Vyle_Byte wrote: »

I want the 10 minutes of my life it took me to read this post back.

We need Forum Achievement for reading these topics, called: "Survivor".

Xjcon

Riiight.... cause they never mess up anything else just to sate the pvp hard core players need to be superior over people by being in large groups and steam rolling smaller groups. Those kind of changes?

And seriously 4 hours to get your daily done? Maybe if you could zerg it, it would take less time.....

If and when they make pvp more of a small scale tournament/arena style then I will join the pvp end of this game. Till then I'm stuck grinding out those zerg battles till I get all my skill points and abilities.

TequilaFire

Once again do you really have to bash PvE to ask for improvements to PvP?
Let's just hope 1.6 does significantly increase xp gain for PvP so you can advance faster in Cyrodiil.
/sigh

kieso

tldr

Zorgon_The_Revenged

Too much like an MMORPG?

Ahdora

Do you feel better now? 0_o

dharbert

I think the OP is trying for the LOL record. You have a long way to go. I think the most we've ever LOL'd a post on this forum was about 60 times.

Ahdora

dharbert wrote: »

I think the OP is trying for the LOL record. You have a long way to go. I think the most we've ever LOL'd a post on this forum was about 60 times.

I'm just over here wondering what two people found insightful.

Alphashado

Translation: "I want to be able to compete in AvA at max level without doing any PVE content". <---Short version.

You can do this already. I don't believe you HAVE to step outside of Cyrodiil for any reason what so ever after level 10. The XP gains are slower to be sure, and that is a seperate conversation. But you aren't forced to PVE.

That being said, the XP for AvA should be higher.

Layenem

tl/dr for those who don't want to read it all:

RAGE BUILDING!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Cody

I do just fine without these undaunted passives. I really don't understand what the big deal is.

If you don't want to do the pledges, don't. you will survive.

TheBull

I so agree with the first part. Well everything except you pve statement. Maybe you should have made one post at a time and seen how that went

I just hope the pvp xp gains are really significantly increased for 1.6. like they say...

olemanwinter

Too bad us PVE players have to endure our builds being ruined and nerfed all the time to accommodate PVP whiners and crybabies.

Psychobunni

olemanwinter wrote: »

Too bad us PVE players have to endure our builds being ruined and nerfed all the time to accommodate PVP whiners and crybabies.

/thread

XEVENEX

TLDR

Marthenil

Ib4 PVPers QQing as always, for everything.

A themepark MMO requires leveling in PvE. More at 11.

DaniAngione

When will ZOS understand that I hate collecting gold pieces from chests and dead bodies? Why can't I just sit by Davon's Watch bank and wait for my purse to fill with gold coins?? I hate looting-content, I just want to buy stuff!

And while we're at it...

What's the point of balancing skills and stuff... What are they for, anyway? Why can't every monster die from one light attack? IT'S A GOD DAMN SWORD, SLASHING SOMEONE.
I might as well start beating them with spoons if they're not dying with one sword blow anyway!

Joejudas

Lay off the drugs man. Or maybe unplug your computer. Maybe both

TheShadowScout

Pffftttt... all I hear here is people crying "Gimme stuff I don't wanna spend the time earning"

Some games have little enough content that you're in the endgame after a week playing. There may even be games that allow people to start at max level so they can jump into things without having to go through the story. Might want to go play one of those instead of wanting ESO to becume as annoying as them...

For me, what makes ESO my current "favorite" is for one the high amount of story, and for another, the low amount of annoying players. Why would we want more of the latter who don't appreciate the former. Why would the makers want to cater to people who prefer to take a verbal dump on all their hard work?

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Gyudan wrote: »

I am confused. Is this about PVE or PVP or just a random rant about nothing specific?

I'm leaning towards your third option.

Rologue

I ignore PvE. Idc if undaunted lines are OP. I like the new ultimate system that is comming, but before testing, I think it better to reward more than just light attackers... Needs improvement, for sure, but better than what we have got. I really hope the AoEs get winded down. No reason to hit a full raid at 25%. 4 AoE spammers are gonna win the day against 60? That's crap. Just gotta wait and see... No point of prebitching before we know what will come.

Joejudas

Rologue wrote: »

I ignore PvE. Idc if undaunted lines are OP. I like the new ultimate system that is comming

this is why it's a mistake by ZOS.