Spears in Skyshard?!

Ommamar

So I was running around doing Caldwell's silver last night and ran up into the fighter guild to pick up the shard. I didn't notice it before but there where two NPC's sparring with spears out in front of it. So what gives ZOS? When will players be able to use use spears? You obviously have some animations for it so why not make a new skill line for it?

Shunravi

Yay, someone else noticed those guys!

But seriously ZOS, add spears already.

AlexDougherty

They've been there since launch, and there are others using spears, just not players.

Warraxx

Roll a Templar...

driosketch

Speaking of which, wouldn't a spear line end up duplicating half the Templar skill line?

Ommamar

My main is a Templar. One attack with a summoned light spear is not what I am talking about.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

They've been there since launch, and there are others using spears, just not players.

Ok so why not put them in for players to use?

AlexDougherty

driosketch wrote: »

Speaking of which, wouldn't a spear line end up duplicating half the Templar skill line?

Only two parts of it, Biting Jabs and the Javelin bit, the rest is not really suitable for a spear skill line. Actually I think the Javelin skill wouldn't work either, since it would require you throwing the spear.

But what you want is the equivalent of Biting Jabs, A solid single thrust attack (shield breaker but it would need some disadvantage to balance), a leg sweep attack (were you use the other end of the spear to sweep your opponents legs), a charge attack (like a bullrush), and something unexpected.

That and some good passives, and it would be a decent new spear skill line.

Sallington

Close all servers, and don't open them back up until the game is Morrowind Online.

jrgray93

Ommamar wrote: »

My main is a Templar. One attack with a summoned light spear is not what I am talking about.

What about five (the actual amount)?

But seriously, it would be a big undertaking to correctly add a weapon line, but I'm cool with it if they do it right.

Sallington wrote: »

Close all servers, and don't open them back up until the game is Morrowind Online.

Walking animations and all. I will make a new argonian, Walks-With-Difficulty.

Oooo, or I'll just name him Ill (ill) Gaits.

AlexDougherty

Sallington wrote: »

Close all servers, and don't open them back up until the game is Morrowind Online.

Morrowind, are you MAD, the alliances and feuding between houses would take a decade alone to code, let alone the acctual game.

Oblivion Online or Skyrim Online are much better options

Warraxx

Why can't my toon fight left-handed...

AlexDougherty

Warraxx wrote: »

Why can't my toon fight left-handed...

Well I know that the Redguards killed all the Left-Handed Elves, but I have no explanation for why Khajiit, Argonians and Humans can't be left handed.

driosketch

AlexDougherty wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Speaking of which, wouldn't a spear line end up duplicating half the Templar skill line?

Only two parts of it, Biting Jabs and the Javelin bit, the rest is not really suitable for a spear skill line. Actually I think the Javelin skill wouldn't work either, since it would require you throwing the spear.

But what you want is the equivalent of Biting Jabs, A solid single thrust attack (shield breaker but it would need some disadvantage to balance), a leg sweep attack (were you use the other end of the spear to sweep your opponents legs), a charge attack (like a bullrush), and something unexpected.

That and some good passives, and it would be a decent new spear skill line.

You're forgetting the third skill is a charge already. A throw isn't out of the question either, maybe as morph. A sweep would kind of be a weaker version of the ultimate, which isn't that strong for an ultimate anyways.

Pretty much spears would be redundant for any Templar, more so than a restro staff even. Which at least offers some more varity and utillity. I look at the templar line and feel like they used up all their ideas for spear attacks already.

jrgray93

Everyone is looking at this as if spears are entirely tapped by the templar class. There is more than one way to spear a cat.

Robocles

Just add a spear as a 1 handed weapon. Done.

AngryNord

Ommamar wrote: »

So I was running around doing Caldwell's silver last night and ran up into the fighter guild to pick up the shard. I didn't notice it before but there where two NPC's sparring with spears out in front of it. So what gives ZOS? When will players be able to use use spears? You obviously have some animations for it so why not make a new skill line for it?

What Fighters' guild was this?

Lynx7386

Polearms are sorely needed in this game, IMO.

personally, I think they'd fit in as an addition to the two handed skill line. Currently the dual wield line has the twin blade and blunt passive, which gives a bleed effect for axes, extra damage for swords, armor penetration for maces, and crit chance for daggers. The two handed line has all of these except for crit chance, which is where a polearm weapon set would come in.

Of course, they'd need to redo animations for polearms (though, really, they need to come up with seperate animation sets for every weapon type, battleaxes and swords should not be getting used in the same manner), but other than that the skill line for two handed fits polearms well enough: extended range, sweeping attacks, and powerful blows.

SkillzMFG

OH MY GOD YES! I want spears so bad! Don't forget the capes too!
Take a good look at 9:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlEipFtHw7o
So basically cloaks too are already in the database they just aren't available to players...

Aett_Thorn

Just do the animations to make spears in both 1-hand, duel wield, and 2-handed versions, and we're all set. Most should already work with slight modifications (Puncture is already close, but you'd likely need to change some hand positioning and such).

I'd love a separate line for spears (both 1-handed and 2-handed), but if not that, then just keep it simple.

Ommamar

AngryNord wrote: »

Ommamar wrote: »

So I was running around doing Caldwell's silver last night and ran up into the fighter guild to pick up the shard. I didn't notice it before but there where two NPC's sparring with spears out in front of it. So what gives ZOS? When will players be able to use use spears? You obviously have some animations for it so why not make a new skill line for it?

What Fighters' guild was this?

SkyWatch in Auridon but likely other places.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Polearms are sorely needed in this game, IMO.

personally, I think they'd fit in as an addition to the two handed skill line. Currently the dual wield line has the twin blade and blunt passive, which gives a bleed effect for axes, extra damage for swords, armor penetration for maces, and crit chance for daggers. The two handed line has all of these except for crit chance, which is where a polearm weapon set would come in.

Of course, they'd need to redo animations for polearms (though, really, they need to come up with seperate animation sets for every weapon type, battleaxes and swords should not be getting used in the same manner), but other than that the skill line for two handed fits polearms well enough: extended range, sweeping attacks, and powerful blows.

I have seen this in every TES game and really it has gotten worse. In Skyrim it use to drive me nuts how my Battle Axe wielding Berserker looked like he was standing over home plate ready to knock out a fast ball. I do like the idea of a pole arm skill line. I also would like to see staves used as a melee weapon as opposed to casting (I do know about the knock back for flame staves in the destruction line) maybe a quarter staff line.

Mettaricana

driosketch wrote: »

Speaking of which, wouldn't a spear line end up duplicating half the Templar skill line?

in 20 mins i can come up with a spear skill line that doesnt duplicate templar. even if it did it would be a win for stamina users for once lol

Edenwolf

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Of course, they'd need to redo animations for polearms (though, really, they need to come up with seperate animation sets for every weapon type, battleaxes and swords should not be getting used in the manner).

Yep, it's awful sad to see my templar stab people with a mace.

AlexDougherty

driosketch wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Speaking of which, wouldn't a spear line end up duplicating half the Templar skill line?

Only two parts of it, Biting Jabs and the Javelin bit, the rest is not really suitable for a spear skill line. Actually I think the Javelin skill wouldn't work either, since it would require you throwing the spear.

But what you want is the equivalent of Biting Jabs, A solid single thrust attack (shield breaker but it would need some disadvantage to balance), a leg sweep attack (were you use the other end of the spear to sweep your opponents legs), a charge attack (like a bullrush), and something unexpected.

That and some good passives, and it would be a decent new spear skill line.

You're forgetting the third skill is a charge already. A throw isn't out of the question either, maybe as morph. A sweep would kind of be a weaker version of the ultimate, which isn't that strong for an ultimate anyways.

Pretty much spears would be redundant for any Templar, more so than a restro staff even. Which at least offers some more varity and utillity. I look at the templar line and feel like they used up all their ideas for spear attacks already.

Yeah, but I was going for a different charge there, the Aetheric Spear charge is up in the air, I was visualising something more like the Clanfear charge along the ground. After all every class has a charge attack, so it's not like it's unique, just done differently.

But I get your point too.

And yeah, I play a Templar, I was spitballing a way to make it viable for others, but essentially Templars have a better version already.