NA vs EU, Legend vs Arena, Mage vs Sypher, Sorcerer vs DK/NB - My Experience (long post)

LegendaryMage

Koma, I'm not complaining about any playstyle, people should play what they enjoy and if they're good at it, nice. But tell me honestly how is this change welcomed when it (contrary to what you said) opens up possibilities that shouldn't have been opened up in the first place? I gave you a templar example but any class can do it and nothing you do versus that playstyle will land you a win. Nothing at all as a melee user. Even you as a stamina sorc will get blown away ALWAYS in a 1v1 vs that particular playstyle.

I only know of one build that can deal with it, not being a counter build. And it's my current build (even with this 'welcomed' 'unannounced' game mechanic). Therefore when I complain about it, I complain because a lot of other players are getting owned even though they're clearly more skilled and better. Wouldn't you agree that 'skill' should be > 'everything' else?

And when I mentioned it for sypher, I wanted to just say that if I mess something up in our duels and I accidentally 'exploit' it once or twice, there's a lot more on the table that I'm missing out on too (I'm assuming he agrees with my point of view).

Mojomonkeyman

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Koma, I'm not complaining about any playstyle, people should play what they enjoy and if they're good at it, nice. But tell me honestly how is this change welcomed when it (contrary to what you said) opens up possibilities that shouldn't have been opened up in the first place? I gave you a templar example but any class can do it and nothing you do versus that playstyle will land you a win. Nothing at all as a melee user. Even you as a stamina sorc will get blown away ALWAYS in a 1v1 vs that particular playstyle.

I only know of one build that can deal with it, not being a counter build. And it's my current build (even with this 'welcomed' 'unannounced' game mechanic). Therefore when I complain about it, I complain because a lot of other players are getting owned even though they're clearly more skilled and better. Wouldn't you agree that 'skill' should be > 'everything' else?

And when I mentioned it for sypher, I wanted to just say that if I mess something up in our duels and I accidentally 'exploit' it once or twice, there's a lot more on the table that I'm missing out on too (I'm assuming he agrees with my point of view).

How do you know the player with better skill won?

So basically I can raise my skill by a lot just chosing magicka, s&b/resto or destro/resto? This must be true, since I win with magicka builds very easy against players I have lots of problems against with stamina...

Look, there is absolutely no difference in skill channeling heavies with occasional shield, immovable, dmg skill, buff or whatever ...

...compared to...

... continually pressing the right mouse button with the occasional shield, immovable, dmg skill or whatever.

You perceive it that way, as others perceive widely used playstyles (which you seem to be ok with, despite requiring not single bit of more skill) as boringly broken, skillless or such.

All of this would be completely legit and ok, if only you guys didn`t decide that you know whats best for the game or wouldn`t be trying to make others believe it`s about skill requirements while using similarly skilless moves day in, day out. You`re acting like you knew better than me, which I doubt, since I´m relying on my own experiences to form an opinion.

LegendaryMage

I never said your opinion doesn't matter, or how I know better than you, or anything like that. You know I've played stamina sorc for a month or so as well, I know how that looks so it's not like I don't understand anything you're saying.

Well let's just say we agree to disagree on some aspects of the game and enjoy it for what it is and what we can.

KBKB

tldr

Urai

Sypher is most likely younger then the bitching grandma's here and smart enough to not post anything here.

Seriously guys, read all that you wrote again and after that again and then write it all down on paper and then come back and post what you have learned.

djeeeses !

Sypher

Hey @LegendaryMage‌ Thanks for the post.

I had a great time dueling EU players, especially you in particular because your build stood out the most and was very unique. My EU nightblade was relatively close to my actual NA NB, so I was able to preform well with my fights on that Nightblade. As for the DK's, not very close to my NA DK or even properly geared. I do agree that I only have the DPS to kill you with a NB and DK's just lack proper burst against your build. I feel like the fight will be even longer DK vs Sorc (longer than the 30+ minutes it's already taking :disagree:)

Regarding the heavy attack issue. At this point I just wish Zenimax would acknowledge the topic instead of staying quiet. I've shared my opinion on the topic and presented points many times. I'm baffled that anyone would consider this a positive change. It removes a layer of combat that has been a core part of the game and tutorial for 7 months. I understand the situation, so during duels I try my absolute best not to heavy attack if I am within range of an interrupt or if my opponent is hitting my with any of the ranged interrupts. Some duelers don't hold the same opinion regarding the issue and don't mind heavy attacking at point blank range. I tend to just avoid those fights as they are not fun or reflect any sort of superior resource management.

I'm looking forward to see if there is potential for us to duel more before 1.6, and hoping there is also potential for us to duel as entire guilds vs each other over the PTS. Once our accounts are copied over.

It was a pleasure fighting you guys, and a very good experience. I learned a lot of new things and feel like I've improved because of this experience.

-Ali (Sypher)

Soris

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Koma, I'm not complaining about any playstyle, people should play what they enjoy and if they're good at it, nice. But tell me honestly how is this change welcomed when it (contrary to what you said) opens up possibilities that shouldn't have been opened up in the first place? I gave you a templar example but any class can do it and nothing you do versus that playstyle will land you a win. Nothing at all as a melee user. Even you as a stamina sorc will get blown away ALWAYS in a 1v1 vs that particular playstyle.

I only know of one build that can deal with it, not being a counter build. And it's my current build (even with this 'welcomed' 'unannounced' game mechanic). Therefore when I complain about it, I complain because a lot of other players are getting owned even though they're clearly more skilled and better. Wouldn't you agree that 'skill' should be > 'everything' else?

And when I mentioned it for sypher, I wanted to just say that if I mess something up in our duels and I accidentally 'exploit' it once or twice, there's a lot more on the table that I'm missing out on too (I'm assuming he agrees with my point of view).

Melee heavy attacks with a 2h weapon for example is still interruptable. But staffs are not. Blame staffs. :disagree:

Sypher

faernaa wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Koma, I'm not complaining about any playstyle, people should play what they enjoy and if they're good at it, nice. But tell me honestly how is this change welcomed when it (contrary to what you said) opens up possibilities that shouldn't have been opened up in the first place? I gave you a templar example but any class can do it and nothing you do versus that playstyle will land you a win. Nothing at all as a melee user. Even you as a stamina sorc will get blown away ALWAYS in a 1v1 vs that particular playstyle.

I only know of one build that can deal with it, not being a counter build. And it's my current build (even with this 'welcomed' 'unannounced' game mechanic). Therefore when I complain about it, I complain because a lot of other players are getting owned even though they're clearly more skilled and better. Wouldn't you agree that 'skill' should be > 'everything' else?

And when I mentioned it for sypher, I wanted to just say that if I mess something up in our duels and I accidentally 'exploit' it once or twice, there's a lot more on the table that I'm missing out on too (I'm assuming he agrees with my point of view).

Melee heavy attacks with a 2h weapon for example is still interruptable. But staffs are not. Blame staffs. :disagree:

No they aren't interruptable. Ever since 1.5 all heavy attacks with all weapons are immune to any ability interrupts or bash interrupts.

Soris

And if someone do heavy staff attack on my face, I just send the regards and cast wrecking blow in their face. Yummy 800 dmg on hit when not blocked

Soris

Sypher wrote: »

faernaa wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Koma, I'm not complaining about any playstyle, people should play what they enjoy and if they're good at it, nice. But tell me honestly how is this change welcomed when it (contrary to what you said) opens up possibilities that shouldn't have been opened up in the first place? I gave you a templar example but any class can do it and nothing you do versus that playstyle will land you a win. Nothing at all as a melee user. Even you as a stamina sorc will get blown away ALWAYS in a 1v1 vs that particular playstyle.

I only know of one build that can deal with it, not being a counter build. And it's my current build (even with this 'welcomed' 'unannounced' game mechanic). Therefore when I complain about it, I complain because a lot of other players are getting owned even though they're clearly more skilled and better. Wouldn't you agree that 'skill' should be > 'everything' else?

And when I mentioned it for sypher, I wanted to just say that if I mess something up in our duels and I accidentally 'exploit' it once or twice, there's a lot more on the table that I'm missing out on too (I'm assuming he agrees with my point of view).

Melee heavy attacks with a 2h weapon for example is still interruptable. But staffs are not. Blame staffs. :disagree:

No they aren't interruptable. Ever since 1.5 all heavy attacks with all weapons are immune to any ability interrupts or bash interrupts.

They are, if im not wrong. Well.. Not sure tho. Gonna test this again

Lava_Croft

This is what the community needs videos of, instead of good players farming scrubs for 1vX videos! More dueling videos please!

Props to everyone involved!

Cody

Sypher> everyone else. He is the grand Jedi master, the dark lord of the Sith, the dragonborn, the batman, The One, Our supreme overlord and master. We are all his slaves.

ToRelax

Cody wrote: »

Sypher> everyone else. He is the grand Jedi master, the dark lord of the Sith, the dragonborn, the batman, The One, Our supreme overlord and master. We are all his slaves.

Maybe you should just come over to EU and have a look yourself .

LegendaryMage

Thanks Sypher! I hope you'll post some of our fights here so I can see how they looked from your perspective. I'm having trouble remembering how I died in our 2nd fight and I can't record anything on my machine because fraps kills my fps and it's not playable with it sadly.

And if you got a dueling montage with other players as well, that would be cool to see too!

Yeah, I definitely hope to duel you soon again, those are very intense and dynamic fights, just the way I like them.

Soulac

Mage u could use shadow play if you got a nvidia gpu
Works fine!

Erondil

I dueled you, sypher a couple of times too. And I didn't except an as skilled player. Duels were really interesting, some wins, some losts... I hope to duel you soon again. I want to fight your DK too .
In fact, I rarely meet better NB, maybe blazemaster is as skilled as you. Btw I guess soulac too, but we are both AD

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This is what the community needs videos of, instead of good players farming scrubs for 1vX videos! More dueling videos please!

Props to everyone involved!

Well... duels between good duelers like mage and sypher can take 20-30 minutes, until one get bored or out of pots. I'm not sure it would be interesting to watch 30 mins of one endless duel. People wants entertainement, and scrub farm is entertaining.

DaggerfallTradeMasters

I liked the duel against Sypher though i died in like 30 seconds xD.
Some guy in my stream requested to duel him....
Anyways it was fun and i hope he had use of the stack of tripots i sended him.
But it gave me more experience to improve so its all for a good cause!

Awesome that you came over to EU for duel Sypher greetings from Templaroflight

Kas

tbh when i read the title, i expected an awesome video and discussions concerning fights - maybe even differences between EU and NA (playstyle, or even skills more popular in either community).

all i got was chit-chat about lag, balance etc and the incredible insight that those two are both good palyers, that duels are still long and somewhat close fights and that, currently, sorcs have a slight edge over dks (in duels).

sad me

olsborg

That blond woman in eso live said that they are looking at breaking heavy attacks, but if and when it would happen, only ranged heavy attacks would be interruptable. As it stood now...think it was ESO live ep 09

LegendaryMage

Kas wrote: »

tbh when i read the title, i expected an awesome video and discussions concerning fights - maybe even differences between EU and NA (playstyle, or even skills more popular in either community).

all i got was chit-chat about lag, balance etc and the incredible insight that those two are both good palyers, that duels are still long and somewhat close fights and that, currently, sorcs have a slight edge over dks (in duels).

sad me

I haven't recorded anything sadly, so if Sypher decides to post some materials, then that would be great. Otherwise I have stated why I have opened this thread, at that time I would go into game and dozens of people would whisper me about whether I've dueled Sypher or not. I didn't feel like it was advantageous to my fingers to re-type everything all the time and not be able to play (which is why I'm mainly logged in for), so I opened a new thread here and gave them ALL the details that I could, hence the long post.

I'm sorry this thread hasn't lived up to your expectations.

Erondil

Your fingers need to work! Not to play! I'm gonna spam you about your duel with sypher so