What have you been doing with your VR14s?

CaptnCreamsicle

I keep seeing people complain about having no way to gain CP because they have done all the VR quests. It makes me wonder what everyone has been doing with their VR14 characters?

I barely play my VR14 anymore (He's my crafter now) but when I do, the XP I get from dungeons and repeatable quests is as much or more as what I got when I was questing.

I get that it's not fun that completing Cadwell's quests seems to have been for nothing now but I don't understand how anyone can feel they are now at a disadvantage to anyone. If you just keep doing what you're doing now then you'll gain CP just like everyone else, right?

ers101284b14_ESO

Yes but they don't see that point. I too am still playing and running dungeons. I see no reason not to play my VR14. And if people really want to complain that they deserve this XP then ZOS should send them back to level 50 and un-nerf vet ranks. Cause I leveled in the un-nerfed Vet Ranks and didn't see a single one of these people there.

But seriously I don't see Caldwells somehow garnering more XP than doing endgame. So I am going to keep at it.

PBpsy

I am still doing pledges trying to get one of the sets and get undaunted 9 on both.I have stopped doing anything one my VR4 templar and I am trying to level up a second NB to lvl50.

Samadhi

PvP.

xaraan

Our whole guild hasn't played as much since ESO Live.

I think I logged in for my emails and logged in once to help a friend complete a dungeon run, but mybinterest has dropped quite a bit.

I still have two non vets to level, but have only been able to be in the mood a few hours total over the last week to play them. But even when I'm on, a lot less guilders are around.

The fact that I have 65 million experience of quests completed (between my five vets) that I'll never see in CP really makes me wanna give up.

Elvinfire

I log the character in, get my mail, go to the bank and stand around a few minutes with my monkey, then log him out. He's a badly built sorcerer that has a hard time getting teamed, and soloed to VR14. I've learned much since. I am currently leveling a Dark Elf DK that can look after himself. He's at level 25. The game is 'almost' fun again. :-)

Moonshadow66

My VR14 is parked in the bank in Rawl'kha for months now, checking hireling mails once or twice a day (depends on how often I can login), then I go the daily farming route through town while I stop at the crafting tables to refine the materials I gathered with my other characters and craft potions for myself and some more for selling in guild stores.
And I craft armor and weapon sets for friends or my other characters if they need new ones. Same with cooking food for them.
Or if friends need a VR14 Sorc, I'll jump in to help out, but it's not often the case.

Although I got not much to do anymore with this character, I'll never delete her, it's the most valuable character I have, at least in terms of crafting.

Rshidva

I've had a v14 since maybe june and have been playing almost exclusively on that toon: Trials, AA, Hel Ra, Hard mode and all

Nowadays: daily pledges, Sanctum Ophidia and vet DSA occasionally helping out friends with low level toons.
so yes: alot of stuff to do as a V14

and if your guild is not a top guild, well learn how to do them! Grow as a guild and challenge yourself to do endgame content. If you are not a top player well find a guild that does endgame content and grow, learn! I got to v14 only to do those contents, and I'm still happy everyday.

Darklord_Tiberius

CaptnCreamsicle wrote: »

I keep seeing people complain about having no way to gain CP because they have done all the VR quests. It makes me wonder what everyone has been doing with their VR14 characters?

I barely play my VR14 anymore (He's my crafter now) but when I do, the XP I get from dungeons and repeatable quests is as much or more as what I got when I was questing.

I get that it's not fun that completing Cadwell's quests seems to have been for nothing now but I don't understand how anyone can feel they are now at a disadvantage to anyone. If you just keep doing what you're doing now then you'll gain CP just like everyone else, right?

You are obviously missing the point why people are upset about the champion points and experienced players/toons not receiving any compensation for what they have done. It is not a matter of you can still play and earn more XP now, the point is they said one thing for MONTHS and then lied about it and did something else. Its a simple matter of customer service and being a manager in CS for a number of years, the fact they are not going to do anything as an apology for their misconception, shame on ZOS.

OrangeTheCat

My vr14 just does all the crafts and makes things for my vr6.

CaptnCreamsicle

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

the point is they said one thing for MONTHS and then lied about it and did something else. Its a simple matter of customer service and being a manager in CS for a number of years, the fact they are not going to do anything as an apology for their misconception, shame on ZOS.

You believe that they planned to give everyone with a VR character 30 CP the whole time?

s7732425ub17_ESO

I really don't understand why people stopped playing VR14s just because of the upcoming Champion System.

While other players are questing on alts or doing nothing, on my VR14 I'm running Trials (getting entire sets of really good gear), dominating in PVP (generating 20k+ AP per hour), and running Veteran Dungeons (maxing out Undaunted skill line and getting the best gear in the game- those new 2 piece sets).

If you are not doing the above things, no matter what you say about the Champion System, you are still going to be very, very far behind. A VR14 with full Trials gear and all of the 2 piece Undaunted sets is worth so much more than a VR1 alt.

Sacadon

Been driving my VR14 NB in Cyrodill when time permits to improve my group PvP skills, use my VR14 Templar for farming and holding off on leveling my VR7 sorc till CS.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

On the v14 I am doing what I have been doing for the past 4 months which is pvp, gathering materials, crafting and working on increasing the colors I have available.

My v8 has been put on complete hold except for some pvp.

And 3 new alts are being readied for v1.

Wolfenbelle

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really don't understand why people stopped playing VR14s just because of the upcoming Champion System.

While other players are questing on alts or doing nothing, on my VR14 I'm running Trials (getting entire sets of really good gear), dominating in PVP (generating 20k+ AP per hour), and running Veteran Dungeons (maxing out Undaunted skill line and getting the best gear in the game- those new 2 piece sets).

If you are not doing the above things, no matter what you say about the Champion System, you are still going to be very, very far behind. A VR14 with full Trials gear and all of the 2 piece Undaunted sets is worth so much more than a VR1 alt.

I really don't understand how so many people either truly don't comprehend or refuse to comprehend the problem. When the veteran ranks are completely removed, probably in release 1.7, all of that gear will either have to be reset back to level 50 along with our characters, or ZOS will still have a huge gap between players that they claim they plan to eliminate. If players can get that "end-game" gear as a level 50 in February, that's an even worse slap in the face to everyone who has earned it before we are all reset back to 50.

ZOS was planning the CP system months ago. Not only did they tell us point blank that we should continue leveling our veteran rank characters, but they added veteran ranks 13 and 14 on top of the 11 and 12 they had earlier added. They did this supposedly to prepare for the CP system. Now they are taking levels vr1 through vr14 away as soon as two months from now and resetting everyone back to level 50. They have to reset all the gear or break yet another promise about narrowing the gap between the haves and have nots in this game.

The_Sadist

I complete my daily pledges and writs on two rank 14 characters while achievement hunting on the main alongside questing up a new alt. Having completed most quests on my main I'm not overly bothered with the CP system, I'm sure someone will figure out an optimal place to farm if all else fails.. But I imagine doing my dailies will snag quite a bit of experience at any rate,

s7732425ub17_ESO

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really don't understand why people stopped playing VR14s just because of the upcoming Champion System.

While other players are questing on alts or doing nothing, on my VR14 I'm running Trials (getting entire sets of really good gear), dominating in PVP (generating 20k+ AP per hour), and running Veteran Dungeons (maxing out Undaunted skill line and getting the best gear in the game- those new 2 piece sets).

If you are not doing the above things, no matter what you say about the Champion System, you are still going to be very, very far behind. A VR14 with full Trials gear and all of the 2 piece Undaunted sets is worth so much more than a VR1 alt.

I really don't understand how so many people either truly don't comprehend or refuse to comprehend the problem. When the veteran ranks are completely removed, probably in release 1.7, all of that gear will either have to be reset back to level 50 along with our characters, or ZOS will still have a huge gap between players that they claim they plan to eliminate. If players can get that "end-game" gear as a level 50 in February, that's an even worse slap in the face to everyone who has earned it before we are all reset back to 50.

ZOS was planning the CP system months ago. Not only did they tell us point blank that we should continue leveling our veteran rank characters, but they added veteran ranks 13 and 14 on top of the 11 and 12 they had earlier added. They did this supposedly to prepare for the CP system. Now they are taking levels vr1 through vr14 away as soon as two months from now and resetting everyone back to level 50. They have to reset all the gear or break yet another promise about narrowing the gap between the haves and have nots in this game.

I don't think you understand.

Getting the Trials gear takes time (Aether set is most popular, but some of the Sanctum sets are amazing). You have to find a good guild or group of people to run with and then practice. A level 50 who has no experience doing this will be three months behind, champion system or no. They aren't going to magically get a full Aether set the day Veteran Ranks are removed.

As for the Undaunted 2 piece sets, these take a long, long time to get. Some people have run a dungeon 20+ times and have not gotten the helm they want. So if I run these for three months straight on a VR14 I'll have plenty of shoulder pieces and helms. A level 50 who has not done this will have none of that gear. Even though they might be able to equip it at level 50, they will still be three months behind and won't have any of this.

ZOS never stated that they want to eliminate a gap. There MUST be a gap between hardcore and softcore players (game design and psychology 101). However, the gap will be smaller, and it will be easier for new players to catch up to players who have been playing for 6 months. But hardcore players will still be the strongest in the game, and that's fine.

LtCrunch

My VR14 has been through countless respecs because I've always felt like something wasn't quite right. At one point I had made him a dedicated crafter and kind of left him to rot aside from when I needed to make gear. For a long while I was pretty happy with my tank spec but it also left a lot to be desired when compared to the potential tanking capabilities of other classes. Somewhat recently I converted him back to a dedicated crafted with an AOE farming spec. I play him to do crafting writs, farm mats, fill soul gems, etc. Basically he makes me gold.

With the news of all of the changes to skill lines, passives and active abilities it's made it very hard for me to decide what class/race I want to level. So right now I spend pretty much all of my time in-game on my VR14 doing the above stated things. Until I get my hands on the 1.6 patch notes/PTS that's very likely what I'll be doing.

As for the CP drama: I'm not bothered much at all, at least not for 1.6. I think there are some valid concerns about maintaining or failing to maintain the power gap between current VR1/VR14 characters once vet ranks are removed. But I also have faith ZOS is well aware of what needs to be done and will do what they think is in the best interest of the game's health. ZOS has never done anything extreme or major enough to make me question their competence as a developer. Matter of fact I just snagged myself 8 months more sub time today!

Wolfenbelle

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't think you understand.

Getting the Trials gear takes time (Aether set is most popular, but some of the Sanctum sets are amazing). You have to find a good guild or group of people to run with and then practice. A level 50 who has no experience doing this will be three months behind, champion system or no. They aren't going to magically get a full Aether set the day Veteran Ranks are removed.

As for the Undaunted 2 piece sets, these take a long, long time to get. Some people have run a dungeon 20+ times and have not gotten the helm they want. So if I run these for three months straight on a VR14 I'll have plenty of shoulder pieces and helms. A level 50 who has not done this will have none of that gear. Even though they might be able to equip it at level 50, they will still be three months behind and won't have any of this.

ZOS never stated that they want to eliminate a gap. There MUST be a gap between hardcore and softcore players (game design and psychology 101). However, the gap will be smaller, and it will be easier for new players to catch up to players who have been playing for 6 months. But hardcore players will still be the strongest in the game, and that's fine.

I understand just fine. Do you seriously think that when ZOS resets all veteran rank characters back to level 50 (mostly likely in release 1.7), everything designed for use by characters vr1 through vr14 will still be useful? It makes no logical sense whatsoever. None. We're talking many, many items, from mats to potions, to food, to armor and weapons, to the current veteran rank zones, quests and enemies, bosses, dolmens, etc. Do you seriously think all of that is going to remain at vrX when no character can progress above level 50 anymore?

You're absolutely right about the effort it takes to get the Undaunted and trial gear. ZOS knows it too, which is why I believe they are trying to soften the blow by not taking the veteran ranks away in 1.6, but it's uncertain if you can even level up a veteran character starting with 1.6. If you can and then they reset everyone back to 50 in 1.7, they will only be compounding the problem. No responsible company lets their customers put in the kind of effort you described only to take it all back at some point. That's the real problem here, and so many people are not grasping it.

TheBull

v14, Cyrodiil.

Teargrants

I bolt escape all day. Like seriously, all the bolt escapes. You don't even want to know how much.

Jaerlach

Teargrants wrote: »

I bolt escape all day. Like seriously, all the bolt escapes. You don't even want to know how much.

I've been killing Teargrants.

It was hard.

He really does bolt all the time. For realsies.

xMovingTarget

Same as always. Doing Trials, Arena, Dungeons, play the tamriel chat simulator.

OrangeTheCat

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't think you understand.

Getting the Trials gear takes time (Aether set is most popular, but some of the Sanctum sets are amazing). You have to find a good guild or group of people to run with and then practice. A level 50 who has no experience doing this will be three months behind, champion system or no. They aren't going to magically get a full Aether set the day Veteran Ranks are removed.

As for the Undaunted 2 piece sets, these take a long, long time to get. Some people have run a dungeon 20+ times and have not gotten the helm they want. So if I run these for three months straight on a VR14 I'll have plenty of shoulder pieces and helms. A level 50 who has not done this will have none of that gear. Even though they might be able to equip it at level 50, they will still be three months behind and won't have any of this.

ZOS never stated that they want to eliminate a gap. There MUST be a gap between hardcore and softcore players (game design and psychology 101). However, the gap will be smaller, and it will be easier for new players to catch up to players who have been playing for 6 months. But hardcore players will still be the strongest in the game, and that's fine.

Snip..

You're absolutely right about the effort it takes to get the Undaunted and trial gear. ZOS knows it too, which is why I believe they are trying to soften the blow by not taking the veteran ranks away in 1.6, but it's uncertain if you can even level up a veteran character starting with 1.6. If you can and then they reset everyone back to 50 in 1.7, they will only be compounding the problem. No responsible company lets their customers put in the kind of effort you described only to take it all back at some point. That's the real problem here, and so many people are not grasping it.

I don't think it's ZOS's fault that such people put in ridiculous amounts of time to try and acquire some super rare item with just the stats one is looking for. If a player wants to spend his time that way, then he should be allowed to, but to expect ZOS to compensate him for how he chose to spend his time seems silly to me. ZOS is only responsible for the overall health of the game and a big "do over" is what they think they need to do so you people just need to start dealing with it.

On topic: I failed to mention that my decision to retire my vr14 character to just crafting was made long before this 30 CP brouhaha came about.

CaptnCreamsicle

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

On topic: I failed to mention that my decision to retire my vr14 character to just crafting was made long before this 30 CP brouhaha came about.

Same for my VR14 sorc. He was my first character so even though I don't enjoy playing him anymore I felt like I should keep him around.

Kevinmon

Cadwell's Gold, pledges, trials, and PvP

LtCrunch

CaptnCreamsicle wrote: »

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

On topic: I failed to mention that my decision to retire my vr14 character to just crafting was made long before this 30 CP brouhaha came about.

Same for my VR14 sorc. He was my first character so even though I don't enjoy playing him anymore I felt like I should keep him around.

Ditto for my NB.

xaraan

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

I really don't understand why people stopped playing VR14s just because of the upcoming Champion System.

While other players are questing on alts or doing nothing, on my VR14 I'm running Trials (getting entire sets of really good gear), dominating in PVP (generating 20k+ AP per hour), and running Veteran Dungeons (maxing out Undaunted skill line and getting the best gear in the game- those new 2 piece sets).

If you are not doing the above things, no matter what you say about the Champion System, you are still going to be very, very far behind. A VR14 with full Trials gear and all of the 2 piece Undaunted sets is worth so much more than a VR1 alt.

Our guild doesn't have a twelve man team, so no trials. (Not that into trials either). Don't care for Pvp. Already have all new undaunted helm sets.

I like questing. I don't have more quests on my 5 v14s. Don't want to waste the xp on the other three guys. That leaves me with dungeons to run for... What? Don't need gear, xp is worthless. So now I just run them if another player needs help.

Audigy

The goal by ZO is that every activity grants the same amount of CPs. So that it doesn't matter what people do, they will all gather XP at the same rate.

I am not much of a dungeon / trial person so for me the quest content, crafting, maybe some AVA is where I will gain my XP.

Another person might not be into quests, so he can just run the dungeons and gain equal XP.

What a lot people seem to miss is the fact that while someone might be able to do Quests while they cant anymore (except dailies), the XP rate is still the same. A player can only do one thing at a time, either they quest or they do group content or they do AVA. Nobody does it all at the same time, so that in the end no advantage is given to anyone, based on the possible XP gain.

That it can be harder to finish a dungeon or a trial than a quest is a given, but I am sure ZO will factor this in.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Occasionally going to kill things, PVPing and RPing as she's my main RP character.

MissBizz

Audigy wrote: »

The goal by ZO is that every activity grants the same amount of CPs. So that it doesn't matter what people do, they will all gather XP at the same rate.

I am not much of a dungeon / trial person so for me the quest content, crafting, maybe some AVA is where I will gain my XP.

Another person might not be into quests, so he can just run the dungeons and gain equal XP.

What a lot people seem to miss is the fact that while someone might be able to do Quests while they cant anymore (except dailies), the XP rate is still the same. A player can only do one thing at a time, either they quest or they do group content or they do AVA. Nobody does it all at the same time, so that in the end no advantage is given to anyone, based on the possible XP gain.

That it can be harder to finish a dungeon or a trial than a quest is a given, but I am sure ZO will factor this in.

I agree. Unfortunately I don't think it will be as perfect as it sounds.

My attempt at running a VR dungeon: hours. Literally. Like 3?
Guys dungeon run who helped teach me and some members the ropes of said dungeon: probably can speed run.. That's in what? 20 minutes?

Maybe I misunderstand. But due to a dungeon being instanced, monsters don't magically reappear for me to kill. So I will gain 10 xp (random number I'm choosing to represent what you would earn in 1 dungeon run) and he can gain around 90xp? (He can run the dungeon multiple times in the time it takes me to do it once)

Don't get me wrong. To me that is totally okay. Those who can do that do deserve to earn more. I just think there will always be a gap, whether they attempt to close it right now or not.