-=Stealth is massively broken=-

morvegil

Last few nights I get in a fight with a guy. Im stuck in combat.,..yet the guy im fighting can go into stealth. Im a NB, even using potions or Dark Cloak and cant stealth beyond using those abilities. So im stuck with a guy, Sorc, DK, Temp and even another NB just watching me blocking.


Whats the deal? Tried weapon swapping..everything. How is it Im being bugged even if im not even the initial attacker!?!?

AlexDougherty

Dark cloak is known to be bugged into uselessness (hopefully will be fixed one day), but if potions are now bugged too :grimacing:

DDuke

morvegil wrote: »

Last few nights I get in a fight with a guy. Im stuck in combat.,..yet the guy im fighting can go into stealth. Im a NB, even using potions or Dark Cloak and cant stealth beyond using those abilities. So im stuck with a guy, Sorc, DK, Temp and even another NB just watching me blocking.


Whats the deal? Tried weapon swapping..everything. How is it Im being bugged even if im not even the initial attacker!?!?

Are you sure you didn't:

• have a DoT on you
• have a DoT on your opponent
• have a damaging spell/ability going towards your/your opponent's general direction
• breathe in your opponent's direction
• be within 2 miles of a hostile NPC

,or that your opponent didn't drink stealth detection potion or have magelight active?

If so, then it probably just got broken.

morvegil

DDuke wrote: »

morvegil wrote: »

Last few nights I get in a fight with a guy. Im stuck in combat.,..yet the guy im fighting can go into stealth. Im a NB, even using potions or Dark Cloak and cant stealth beyond using those abilities. So im stuck with a guy, Sorc, DK, Temp and even another NB just watching me blocking.


Whats the deal? Tried weapon swapping..everything. How is it Im being bugged even if im not even the initial attacker!?!?

Are you sure you didn't:

• have a DoT on you
• have a DoT on your opponent
• have a damaging spell/ability going towards your/your opponent's direction
• breathe in your opponent's direction
• be within 2 miles of a hostile NPC

,or that your opponent didn't drink stealth detection potion or have magelight active?

If so, then it probably just got broken.

yup

AltusVenifus

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Teargrants

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

LegacyDM

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Teargrants

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

Darkonflare15

We all know that ZOS is scared of the shadow cloak ability because they keep stated that this ability would be too powerful if they tweak it anymore. I would love for this ability to last longer or to actually gives of us sneak damage but that is not going to happen because of how close ZOS is trying to keep this ability from being too powerful. I wish they can make stealth better.

DDuke

Teargrants wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

Plot twist:
And then you realize you were a stamina NB, and every useless, malfunctioning cloak cost 1/4th of your magicka.

Teargrants

DDuke wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

And then you realize you were a stamina NB, and every useless, malfunctioning cloak cost 1/4th of your magicka.

And then you remember that since you are a stam NB you can dodge roll for days.

My friend playes a full stam NB, I've watched him duel Sypher's DK to a draw for 15 min straight. So please don't start on stam builds or cloak being useless.

DDuke

Teargrants wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

And then you realize you were a stamina NB, and every useless, malfunctioning cloak cost 1/4th of your magicka.

And then you remember that since you are a stam NB you can dodge roll for days.

My friend playes a full stam NB, I've watched him duel Sypher's DK to a draw for 15 min straight. So please don't start on stam builds or cloak being useless.

Oh, stamina builds can do very well, with a dmg shield or heal (going to be tricky after 1.6 when resto staff no longer scales off weapon dmg), I'm not denying that (though I would still like to see proof of one with 15 mins of sustain).

I'm just saying cloak is useless, and you should take this from someone who used to play quite extensively with it (before they broke it completely in patch X).
It was never "good", but now it is useless.

Teargrants

You can just ask anyone in havock, we were all watching, or ask Sypher. They stopped cuz it was just never gonna end.

The reason I say cloak isn't useless is cuz it was key in that fight, my friend used it to purge talons/dots over and over. He doesn't use resto, he's two handed & sword/shield.

DDuke

Teargrants wrote: »

You can just ask anyone in havock, we were all watching, or ask Sypher. They stopped cuz it was just never gonna end.

The reason I say cloak isn't useless is cuz it was key in that fight, my friend used it to purge talons/dots over and over. He doesn't use resto, he's two handed & sword/shield.

Hard to understand how someone can't kill a NB with no heals/dmg shields in 15mins, though it is not surprising that he didn't manage to kill the DK either.

You've definitely raised my curiosity and I will investigate
Note: stamina build=/=the ever popular heavy armour+S&B & siphoning skills

Teargrants

Lol, it's hardly no heals. Rally + Malubeth 2 piece + pots = heals. Shielded assault spam = shields. Cloak purging = mitigation.

Satiar

DDuke wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

Plot twist:
And then you realize you were a stamina NB, and every useless, malfunctioning cloak cost 1/4th of your magicka.

@DDuke

I am the NB in question, I'm available in Thornblade anytime you'd like to see how I do things. I even posted my build in the Alliance War forum.

I do run full Stamina, the only active magica skills on my bar are Fear and Cloak. Sword and Board / 2hand.

All buffed up i have about 2600 stamina and 180+ stamina regen. With that amount of stamina regen, and the heavy attack, most of my skills are basically free, i get my Stamina back immediately. Add arena set for reduction in break free cost. I can pretty much shield charge endlessly if I want to, which does damage, adds damage shields to me, stuns and knocks down. Pressure pressure pressure, drain their stamina, etc. Rally for heals, elude and cloak for mitigation. Swap to 2hand to make them be afraid not to block, than drain their stamina some more.

Anyways. It's not really a bragging thing, but I want people to know that NB is playable, and competitive. It can be played toe-to-toe with anyone, 1v1 and in groups. Just have to get the right spec for it and play it the right way .

Darkonflare15

Satiar wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

Plot twist:
And then you realize you were a stamina NB, and every useless, malfunctioning cloak cost 1/4th of your magicka.

@DDuke

I am the NB in question, I'm available in Thornblade anytime you'd like to see how I do things. I even posted my build in the Alliance War forum.

I do run full Stamina, the only active magica skills on my bar are Fear and Cloak. Sword and Board / 2hand.

All buffed up i have about 2600 stamina and 180+ stamina regen. With that amount of stamina regen, and the heavy attack, most of my skills are basically free, i get my Stamina back immediately. Add arena set for reduction in break free cost. I can pretty much shield charge endlessly if I want to, which does damage, adds damage shields to me, stuns and knocks down. Pressure pressure pressure, drain their stamina, etc. Rally for heals, elude and cloak for mitigation. Swap to 2hand to make them be afraid not to block, than drain their stamina some more.

Anyways. It's not really a bragging thing, but I want people to know that NB is playable, and competitive. It can be played toe-to-toe with anyone, 1v1 and in groups. Just have to get the right spec for it and play it the right way .

Yeah that is true but they need to make stealthy characters play the right way. There is plenty of ways to counter stealth builds but there not many ways to counter damage shields and healing. One way is to out resource the opponent. Another is to gang up with more people. These should not be the only way to beat tanking characters with heals and damage shields. There should be moves that break through armor, damage shields, and blocking. There is an enchant that slows healing and night blades have a ability that slows healing as well but these will not work if a person just get a damage shield up. Resource gaining has been made easier to get so waiting for a person to lose resource is kind of boring. There should be multiple ways to taking people down. Hopefully ZOS makes combat better in this update.

Satiar

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

Plot twist:
And then you realize you were a stamina NB, and every useless, malfunctioning cloak cost 1/4th of your magicka.

@DDuke

I am the NB in question, I'm available in Thornblade anytime you'd like to see how I do things. I even posted my build in the Alliance War forum.

I do run full Stamina, the only active magica skills on my bar are Fear and Cloak. Sword and Board / 2hand.

All buffed up i have about 2600 stamina and 180+ stamina regen. With that amount of stamina regen, and the heavy attack, most of my skills are basically free, i get my Stamina back immediately. Add arena set for reduction in break free cost. I can pretty much shield charge endlessly if I want to, which does damage, adds damage shields to me, stuns and knocks down. Pressure pressure pressure, drain their stamina, etc. Rally for heals, elude and cloak for mitigation. Swap to 2hand to make them be afraid not to block, than drain their stamina some more.

Anyways. It's not really a bragging thing, but I want people to know that NB is playable, and competitive. It can be played toe-to-toe with anyone, 1v1 and in groups. Just have to get the right spec for it and play it the right way .

Yeah that is true but they need to make stealthy characters play the right way. There is plenty of ways to counter stealth builds but there not many ways to counter damage shields and healing. One way is to out resource the opponent. Another is to gang up with more people. These should not be the only way to beat tanking characters with heals and damage shields. There should be moves that break through armor, damage shields, and blocking. There is an enchant that slows healing and night blades have a ability that slows healing as well but these will not work if a person just get a damage shield up. Resource gaining has been made easier to get so waiting for a person to lose resource is kind of boring. There should be multiple ways to taking people down. Hopefully ZOS makes combat better in this update.

I mean, I beat damage shields by beating them to death. Crit Charge for days. I eat shields like candy.

If someone wants to block, I wear them down. If they want to stack shields, I go full damage. If you want to play like an assassin, there are several ingame players i can refer you to, they do that in a great and very effective way. But, you're not going to be as effective after your initial burst, and that's just how it has to be.

Joy_Division

Satiar wrote: »

Anyways. It's not really a bragging thing, but I want people to know that NB is playable, and competitive. It can be played toe-to-toe with anyone, 1v1 and in groups. Just have to get the right spec for it and play it the right way .

The people who actually pay attention and don't rage quit after dying to a DK already are well aware of that.

DDuke

Satiar wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

Plot twist:
And then you realize you were a stamina NB, and every useless, malfunctioning cloak cost 1/4th of your magicka.

@DDuke

I am the NB in question, I'm available in Thornblade anytime you'd like to see how I do things. I even posted my build in the Alliance War forum.

I do run full Stamina, the only active magica skills on my bar are Fear and Cloak. Sword and Board / 2hand.

All buffed up i have about 2600 stamina and 180+ stamina regen. With that amount of stamina regen, and the heavy attack, most of my skills are basically free, i get my Stamina back immediately. Add arena set for reduction in break free cost. I can pretty much shield charge endlessly if I want to, which does damage, adds damage shields to me, stuns and knocks down. Pressure pressure pressure, drain their stamina, etc. Rally for heals, elude and cloak for mitigation. Swap to 2hand to make them be afraid not to block, than drain their stamina some more.

Anyways. It's not really a bragging thing, but I want people to know that NB is playable, and competitive. It can be played toe-to-toe with anyone, 1v1 and in groups. Just have to get the right spec for it and play it the right way .

Interesting, didn't know there were already NB stamina builds doing the same thing magicka builds do (I thought it was a Templar/DK priviledge)

That's not going to make the people who wanted a different playstyle/experience when they picked Bow or DW happy, but I'm glad it's working out for you.

olemanwinter

It boggles the mind to me how an active ability that costs so much magica is trumped and made useless by a potion or a passive/toggled ability.

By all means, detect my "SNEAKING" with your detect pot or magelight, but not my active ability of "INVISIBILITY".

That's absurd. Like this game is becoming. Like almost all the changes in 1.6

I keep hanging around for months waiting on fixes while I watch them create new problems.

morvegil

Satiar wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

Plot twist:
And then you realize you were a stamina NB, and every useless, malfunctioning cloak cost 1/4th of your magicka.

@DDuke

I am the NB in question, I'm available in Thornblade anytime you'd like to see how I do things. I even posted my build in the Alliance War forum.

I do run full Stamina, the only active magica skills on my bar are Fear and Cloak. Sword and Board / 2hand.

All buffed up i have about 2600 stamina and 180+ stamina regen. With that amount of stamina regen, and the heavy attack, most of my skills are basically free, i get my Stamina back immediately. Add arena set for reduction in break free cost. I can pretty much shield charge endlessly if I want to, which does damage, adds damage shields to me, stuns and knocks down. Pressure pressure pressure, drain their stamina, etc. Rally for heals, elude and cloak for mitigation. Swap to 2hand to make them be afraid not to block, than drain their stamina some more.

Anyways. It's not really a bragging thing, but I want people to know that NB is playable, and competitive. It can be played toe-to-toe with anyone, 1v1 and in groups. Just have to get the right spec for it and play it the right way .

WHat vies you 180 stamina? im at about 140

DDuke

olemanwinter wrote: »

It boggles the mind to me how an active ability that costs so much magica is trumped and made useless by a potion or a passive/toggled ability.

By all means, detect my "SNEAKING" with your detect pot or magelight, but not my active ability of "INVISIBILITY".

That's absurd. Like this game is becoming. Like almost all the changes in 1.6

I keep hanging around for months waiting on fixes while I watch them create new problems.

My exact sentiments... except I didnt hang around for months. I quit for 3 months & came back expecting them to fix things/add more diversity with Champion System. Little did I know

This is how stealth characters should play (comparing to past ES titles & other MMOs):

Oblivion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep6RbjooYRY
Skyrim -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqAz1DhaEas

WoW (vanilla) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWfdfybBAzY
WoW (WoD) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbjjX9krz8E
Aion - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mtzzGhM8ko
GW2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKzHTFfi3mk
...and I could go on

Satiar

What exactly are you missing from a stealthy character? There are builds with max run speed in stealth, monstrous burst and crazy get-away abilities. I know, I used to run one before I got bored of instakilling people. But really, if you want to play that stealthy style there is plenty of room for it.

Satiar

morvegil wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

Plot twist:
And then you realize you were a stamina NB, and every useless, malfunctioning cloak cost 1/4th of your magicka.

@DDuke

I am the NB in question, I'm available in Thornblade anytime you'd like to see how I do things. I even posted my build in the Alliance War forum.

I do run full Stamina, the only active magica skills on my bar are Fear and Cloak. Sword and Board / 2hand.

All buffed up i have about 2600 stamina and 180+ stamina regen. With that amount of stamina regen, and the heavy attack, most of my skills are basically free, i get my Stamina back immediately. Add arena set for reduction in break free cost. I can pretty much shield charge endlessly if I want to, which does damage, adds damage shields to me, stuns and knocks down. Pressure pressure pressure, drain their stamina, etc. Rally for heals, elude and cloak for mitigation. Swap to 2hand to make them be afraid not to block, than drain their stamina some more.

Anyways. It's not really a bragging thing, but I want people to know that NB is playable, and competitive. It can be played toe-to-toe with anyone, 1v1 and in groups. Just have to get the right spec for it and play it the right way .

WHat vies you 180 stamina? im at about 140

Set pieces, all Stam regen glyphs on jewlery, focused attacks.

Darkonflare15

Satiar wrote: »

What exactly are you missing from a stealthy character? There are builds with max run speed in stealth, monstrous burst and crazy get-away abilities. I know, I used to run one before I got bored of instakilling people. But really, if you want to play that stealthy style there is plenty of room for it.

Crazy get away abilities?

DDuke

Satiar wrote: »

What exactly are you missing from a stealthy character? There are builds with max run speed in stealth, monstrous burst and crazy get-away abilities. I know, I used to run one before I got bored of instakilling people. But really, if you want to play that stealthy style there is plenty of room for it.

Pretty much everything in the videos I posted above, and what every other (MMO)RPG has out there.


"Instakilling" people doesn't happen anymore (not saying it should, if there were other options of getting through dmg shield/heal/block spam), unless you slot camo hunter & your opponent happens to be a vampire and even that requires luck/combat prayer etc.
In fact, magicka builds have access to far better burst damage while still having shields/heals on the bar (Curse->Crystal Frags->(instant) Crystal Frags->Endless Fury, Crippling Grasp->(while previous is still traveling)Ambush->Soul Harvest->Impale) etc

There's a reason why snipers have to gang up to get a kill (takes 3x archers to get same burst as pre-1.5), and the crazy get-away abilities are all magicka based, the one with most "rogue flavour" breaking from everything (while I confess it may still be useful as a "purge" replacement, though Efficient Purge still costs the same amount of magicka & removes mark etc as well).

I listed in my first post in this thread all the things that break cloak, which effectively make it almost useless (outside the purging role, if you've picked Dark Cloak morph).

Darkonflare15

I just glad to able to get ambush as an stamina gap closer. I just hate critical charge and shield charge because it does not fit my character build.

Satiar

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

What exactly are you missing from a stealthy character? There are builds with max run speed in stealth, monstrous burst and crazy get-away abilities. I know, I used to run one before I got bored of instakilling people. But really, if you want to play that stealthy style there is plenty of room for it.

Crazy get away abilities?

Rapid + Cloak + is crazy. Add speed pot if you like, mist if vampire. If someone isn't specced to catch you, you'll be a mile off before they know what's goin on.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Really simple solution, as I have stated it before is that Shadow Cloak and it's morph's should not break on damage, EVER, you should just take the damage, get the DOT, etc, if someone has Magelight and you are in the area of effect that it covers then that person can see you and only that person.

To me this is just balance, when a DK uses Green Dragon Blood it doesn't fail when he takes damage, when a Sorc casts Bolt Escape and he takes damage, he still Bolt Escapes..when a Templar cast's a Heal spell it does not break on damage.

Only Shadow Cloak (and it's Morph's) breaks on damage, for balance then, everyone else's abilities should break on damage as well..

When I cast Shadow Cloak (or it's Morphs) and I have the alotted Magicka, It should work full stop, I used my resources, the ability activates and I should get the full 2.5 sec's of Cloak / Invisibility (2.9 sec with the Dark Veil Passive).

And NO WHERE in the tool tip, NO WHERE does it say it Breaks on Damage.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Satiar wrote: »

morvegil wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

fix it already... the fact that anyone uses it on a bar at this point is beyond me../

Cloak purges talons off you, easier than dodge rolling. Herpa derp.

Just to have talons perma cast until you run out of magicka from spam casting cloak. Herpa derp.

Talons has a 6m range, once you cloak you back up. If any DK is trying to 'perma cast' talons every time the second you get out of it, he's just a baddie who will run out of magicka. Such herp much derp.

Plot twist:
And then you realize you were a stamina NB, and every useless, malfunctioning cloak cost 1/4th of your magicka.

@DDuke

I am the NB in question, I'm available in Thornblade anytime you'd like to see how I do things. I even posted my build in the Alliance War forum.

I do run full Stamina, the only active magica skills on my bar are Fear and Cloak. Sword and Board / 2hand.

All buffed up i have about 2600 stamina and 180+ stamina regen. With that amount of stamina regen, and the heavy attack, most of my skills are basically free, i get my Stamina back immediately. Add arena set for reduction in break free cost. I can pretty much shield charge endlessly if I want to, which does damage, adds damage shields to me, stuns and knocks down. Pressure pressure pressure, drain their stamina, etc. Rally for heals, elude and cloak for mitigation. Swap to 2hand to make them be afraid not to block, than drain their stamina some more.

Anyways. It's not really a bragging thing, but I want people to know that NB is playable, and competitive. It can be played toe-to-toe with anyone, 1v1 and in groups. Just have to get the right spec for it and play it the right way .

WHat vies you 180 stamina? im at about 140

Set pieces, all Stam regen glyphs on jewlery, focused attacks.

@Satiar By the way I would love to see your build,

I usually focus on Stamina cost reduction glyph's on all Jewelry, since it also decreases your dodge roll as well as your weapon ability costs, that with a high Stamina recovery makes you a powerhouse. I also use the Warrior Mundus stone to get more weapon damage.

The Break cost reduction has been something on my mind.

I use a lot of stealth in PvP myself, so I use the Nightshade 3 pc set, to get around in stealth since it gives a 2 meter sneak buffer (and 9 times out 10, I see a sneaking enemy and or Nightblade before they see me and I have time to react) and it decreases my sneak cost like 24-25% and with all medium armor and the Nightblade passives, sneaking cost's little to nothing.