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Do you want a global auction house?
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I would like to see a global auction house.AshySamurai wrote: »why peolple should join guilds and care of it if all can just list items on any kiosk.
To have a group to play the game with?1 -
AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.AshySamurai wrote: »why peolple should join guilds and care of it if all can just list items on any kiosk.
To have a group to play the game with?
Social guilds. The point of trading guilds is to have as much players as possible; social guild - to create helpful and nice community.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!3 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I would like to see a global auction house.AshySamurai wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »why peolple should join guilds and care of it if all can just list items on any kiosk.
To have a group to play the game with?
Social guilds. The point of trading guilds is to have as much players as possible; social guild - to create helpful and nice community.
And? You speak as though it is mandatory for the game to have guilds that are made for only trading. The game wouldn't need them if people could trade without them, and then they could focus on actually socializing in guilds.2 -
AshySamurai✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.AshySamurai wrote: »AshySamurai wrote: »why peolple should join guilds and care of it if all can just list items on any kiosk.
To have a group to play the game with?
Social guilds. The point of trading guilds is to have as much players as possible; social guild - to create helpful and nice community.
And? You speak as though it is mandatory for the game to have guilds that are made for only trading. The game wouldn't need them if people could trade without them, and then they could focus on actually socializing in guilds.
Yep. That's true. I wish I could have few more free slots for social guilds. If it has only been possible to trade without guild. But it's better than global AH.
TBH I feel myself as Devil's Advocate right now.
I would like to see any solution of this issue exept AH. Hire personal trader is too expensive for most players. And AH IMO will ruin all in-game economy.Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!2 -
Marthenil✭✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.A global AH would destroy gold as a currency, instead turning specific items (might be upgrade mats, or even gear, such as warlock rings) into the new currency.
Just take a look at GW2s system and how good it was (Being sarcastic here)
That said, they do need to improve the functionality, search/categories/filters etc.2 -
Psychobunni✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I would like to see a global auction house.I'd like to see zone based AH's.... AC, DC, EP....but it's not an option.
Edit: I think all those stating it will "ruin" the economy are nuts personally. LOTRO has AH and I made my gold in much the same way I do here. Its *one* of the reasons I intend to vote them over ESO in the upcoming mmo contestEdited by Psychobunni on December 28, 2014 3:18PMIf options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!0 -
Slurg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.Alphashado wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Why would you do this?
Because we could use a new poll created after the implementation of kiosks. Most polls (if not all) on this issue were created before kiosks
It is a bit of a dead horse but interesting to see how opinions have changed over time since the kiosk system started. Someone was using that old poll from May in another thread to "prove" that the majority of users want a global auction house now.
I think a mall-type area in each zone where guilds could pay a flat fee to secure a share of the shop would be a nice addition. Or maybe turn those remote traders into flat fee shared kiosks. That and restricting bids to guilds with over a hundred items to sell. It turns people off travelling around to visit kiosks when they keep running into kiosks with less than a page of items in them on Monday morning.
I also think it would be interesting if the top bid winner in each region could sell through any banker in that region - adding a {Zone} Market tab to the banker.
Edited by Slurg on December 28, 2014 3:04PMHappy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
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daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like to see a global auction house.I voted for a global auction house for several reasons. To name a few:
- Being limited to 5 guilds, if any of them are not trading guilds you are very limited in what you can find easily (i.e. at the bank);
- It's boring and pointless to teleport around many areas looking for a particular guild vendor who happens to have what you're looking for;
- Guild vendors favour large guilds who can afford the vendors in the best locations, leading to people abandoning smaller guilds in order to have access to larger guilds stores;
- Separate guilds stores make it harder for prices to move towards a point of equilibrium by limiting information on how much items usually sell for;
- Separate guilds, combined with the shameful default UI (100 items per page/mandatory pause between page searches/no ability to do a simple freaking keyword search) makes finding something you need a huge chore.
Not my biggest gripe with ESO, by far, but I've never understood why they implemented guild stores the way they did.1 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.where's the "no, the system they have now is fine." option?What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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Marthenil✭✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.
Not my biggest gripe with ESO, by far, but I've never understood why they implemented guild stores the way they did.
Because of the megaserver, the supply would greatly surpass demand, prices would plummet, the economy would be ruined.
Has happened to GW2 and its global AH as well.
EDIT: The fact that they are trying to suppress supply is prevalent everywhere. You are hindered by having to join a guild, hindered by the amount of kiosks, hindered by the location of such kiosks, hindered by the amount of auctions you can create at the same time.
This is a good thing though. In mmos, resources are not finite as in real life. Given time and a good amount of population, supply can reach huge numbers. Which as I've said causes prices to plummet, everything other than super RNG-y drops becomes worthless, and a new currency is used by the community.Edited by Marthenil on December 28, 2014 3:32PM1 -
ItsGlaive✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.Trade guilds are incredibly easy to get into, and I've yet to hear a valid argument for why someone wouldn't take advantage of one. The only people being penalised in the way that the trade guild haters are stated atm are those who actively choose not to join a trade guild - ergo they're penalising themselves.Edited by ItsGlaive on December 28, 2014 3:32PMAllow cross-platform transfers and merges3 -
Marthenil✭✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.Trade guilds are incredibly easy to get into, and I've yet to hear a valid argument for why someone wouldn't take advantage of one. The only people being penalised in the way that the trade guild haters are stated atm are those who actively choose not to join a trade guild - ergo they're penalising themselves.
Case in point, join ITC on the EU megaserver, it's where I do most of my selling
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Grileenor✭✭✭✭✭It has never been that easy to supply oneself in any game I know. Tradeguilds are easy to get in (and out, if you care). I don't miss an auction house in this game. Though I am used to have one in a MMO, I don't miss it yet.2 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I would like to see a global auction house.I am in 5 trade guilds and I don't plan to ever sacrifice 30 sales slots for a social guild ever. This is what they've done. Made the game less social because I want to make a decent profit for upgrading with. And I do make a huge profit now. I loot everything and sell anything I can. It's fun, just not very social. My point is, the current system encourages antisocial behavior.2 -
ItsGlaive✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.I am in 5 trade guilds and I don't plan to ever sacrifice 30 sales slots for a social guild ever. This is what they've done. Made the game less social because I want to make a decent profit for upgrading with. And I do make a huge profit now. I loot everything and sell anything I can. It's fun, just not very social. My point is, the current system encourages antisocial behavior.
I belong to three trade guilds - more than enough for me. Even if I filled five slots with them though, doesn't mean I can't be social. Some of the trade guilds try to also scratch the social itch. If they don't, you could always see about helping them along in that regard Bryan.Allow cross-platform transfers and merges1 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alphashado wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Why would you do this?
Because we could use a new poll created after the implementation of kiosks. Most polls (if not all) on this issue were created before kiosks
Plenty of polls on Auction House have been created after the Kiosk system was introduced. I'm impartial about this, so won't vote.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.Psychobunni wrote: »I'd like to see zone based AH's.... AC, DC, EP....but it's not an option.
Edit: I think all those stating it will "ruin" the economy are nuts personally. LOTRO has AH and I made my gold in much the same way I do here. Its *one* of the reasons I intend to vote them over ESO in the upcoming mmo contest
With all due respect, your post is a perfect example of how many people don't understand what they are asking for.
The type of auction house you are accustomed to: Lotro, WoW, Rift, Swtor, etc.. is not possible in ESO. Those games are broken down into individual servers. The markets in those games are therefore isolated to one small server only. That means you are buying/selling from a few thousand people at any given time. I'm not sure what the population is on most individual servers though. It could be as high as 10k.
ESO is on a mega server. That means you would be buying/selling from every single person playing the game. 500k-1 million. It sounds cool on the outside looking in, but once you experience this type of AH, you may change your tune. GW2 is also on a mega server and is a perfect example of the type of AH ESO would have.
It means that there would literally be thousands or tens of thousands of each item posted on the AH. It means that the value of all these items will be just pennies above vendor cost. Rare items would still be rare, and they would still be extremely expensive.
People here that are posting concerns about market manipulation should consider this: in ESO there are several individual markets, making it almost impossible for a few people to control any aspect of the market. In GW2 with a global auction house, a few people can control everything. I remember watching videos of people that had hundreds of accounts. They would buy in bulk ( 100k stacks of ore for example) at a time, then manipulate the entire market. They play it like penny stocks on Wall Street.
Crafting is also basically useless with a global system because every item that you can craft is being sold by the thousands on the AH. There is no sense of unique accomplishment.
We have many people here that simply do not understand what they are asking for. If you tried GW2 or another MMO that uses a global system, then you will have an educated understanding when expressing like or dislike for that type of system.
But if you have never tried that type of system, then be very careful what you are asking for.
Edited by Alphashado on December 28, 2014 6:25PM3 -
WraithAzraiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.Skullemainia wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »Why would you do this?
why not?
Because it would mean a rework of multiple game systems. Guild stores would be obsolete. The point of being in multiple guilds would lessen.
You really think they can handle THAT much work? It'd be a nightmare. They haven't even mastered the "risk vs reward" concept and the Global AH people want them to take on that big of a venture?
Be real. The lack of a global AH, is sure an inconvenience for the lazier players but come on. At least this game does something different. Heaven forbid you have to shop around to get the best price.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alphashado wrote: »Psychobunni wrote: »I'd like to see zone based AH's.... AC, DC, EP....but it's not an option.
Edit: I think all those stating it will "ruin" the economy are nuts personally. LOTRO has AH and I made my gold in much the same way I do here. Its *one* of the reasons I intend to vote them over ESO in the upcoming mmo contest
With all due respect, your post is a perfect example of how many people don't understand what they are asking for.
The type of auction house you are accustomed to: Lotro, WoW, Rift, Swtor, etc.. is not possible in ESO. Those games are broken down into individual servers. The markets in those games are therefore isolated to one small server only. That means you are buying/selling from a few thousand people at any given time. I'm not sure what the population is on most individual servers though. It could be as high as 10k.
ESO is on a mega server. That means you would be buying/selling from every single person playing the game. 500k-1 million. It sounds cool on the outside looking in, but once you experience this type of AH, you may change your tune. GW2 is also on a mega server and is a perfect example of the type of AH ESO would have.
It means that there would literally be thousands or tens of thousands of each item posted on the AH. It means that the value of all these items will be just pennies above vendor cost. Rare items would still be rare, and they would still be extremely expensive.
People here that are posting concerns about market manipulation should consider this: in ESO there are several individual markets, making it almost impossible for a few people to control any aspect of the market. In GW2 with a global auction house, a few people can control everything. I remember watching videos of people that had hundreds of accounts. They would buy in bulk ( 100k stacks of ore for example) at a time, then manipulate the entire market. They play it like penny stocks on Wall Street.
Crafting is also basically useless with a global system because every item that you can craft is being sold by the thousands on the AH. There is no sense of unique accomplishment.
We have many people here that simply do not understand what they are asking for. If you tried GW2 or another MMO that uses a global system, then you will have an educated understanding when expressing like or dislike for that type of system.
But if you have never tried that type of system, then be very careful what you are asking for.
The main problem seems to be trying to find and implement a system that produces a happy medium. The problem you state with a global auction house on a megaserver is absolutely valid. Nor is it what I want to see happen. But what we have NOW makes shopping and selling an absolute headache that is not FUN at all. Something that MIGHT help would perhaps be the ability for players to be able to sell their goods at ANY kiosk but they'd pay a substantially higher cut to the guild that OWNS the kiosk than the members of that guild do. That way people who really don't WANT to give up one or more of their precious guild slots are not frozen out of the market and more goods would become more readily available. Few things tick me off more than going to the trouble to go to a darned kiosk area and doing a search only to find half a dozen or even NO items that fit the search listed.
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Lynnessa✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like to see a global auction house.I am in favor of a global AH for purely selfish reasons: I think it would be easier for me to find gear with a particular enchantment or trait.0 -
Psychobunni✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, I would like to see a global auction house.Alphashado wrote: »Psychobunni wrote: »I'd like to see zone based AH's.... AC, DC, EP....but it's not an option.
Edit: I think all those stating it will "ruin" the economy are nuts personally. LOTRO has AH and I made my gold in much the same way I do here. Its *one* of the reasons I intend to vote them over ESO in the upcoming mmo contest
With all due respect, your post is a perfect example of how many people don't understand what they are asking for.
The type of auction house you are accustomed to: Lotro, WoW, Rift, Swtor, etc.. is not possible in ESO. Those games are broken down into individual servers. The markets in those games are therefore isolated to one small server only. That means you are buying/selling from a few thousand people at any given time. I'm not sure what the population is on most individual servers though. It could be as high as 10k.
ESO is on a mega server. That means you would be buying/selling from every single person playing the game. 500k-1 million. It sounds cool on the outside looking in, but once you experience this type of AH, you may change your tune. GW2 is also on a mega server and is a perfect example of the type of AH ESO would have.
It means that there would literally be thousands or tens of thousands of each item posted on the AH. It means that the value of all these items will be just pennies above vendor cost. Rare items would still be rare, and they would still be extremely expensive.
People here that are posting concerns about market manipulation should consider this: in ESO there are several individual markets, making it almost impossible for a few people to control any aspect of the market. In GW2 with a global auction house, a few people can control everything. I remember watching videos of people that had hundreds of accounts. They would buy in bulk ( 100k stacks of ore for example) at a time, then manipulate the entire market. They play it like penny stocks on Wall Street.
Crafting is also basically useless with a global system because every item that you can craft is being sold by the thousands on the AH. There is no sense of unique accomplishment.
We have many people here that simply do not understand what they are asking for. If you tried GW2 or another MMO that uses a global system, then you will have an educated understanding when expressing like or dislike for that type of system.
But if you have never tried that type of system, then be very careful what you are asking for.
"Those games are broken down into individual servers." .....Like faction based AH's, the rest ...TLDR, not even relevant to my proposalIf options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!1 -
Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.MornaBaine wrote: »Alphashado wrote: »Psychobunni wrote: »I'd like to see zone based AH's.... AC, DC, EP....but it's not an option.
Edit: I think all those stating it will "ruin" the economy are nuts personally. LOTRO has AH and I made my gold in much the same way I do here. Its *one* of the reasons I intend to vote them over ESO in the upcoming mmo contest
With all due respect, your post is a perfect example of how many people don't understand what they are asking for.
The type of auction house you are accustomed to: Lotro, WoW, Rift, Swtor, etc.. is not possible in ESO. Those games are broken down into individual servers. The markets in those games are therefore isolated to one small server only. That means you are buying/selling from a few thousand people at any given time. I'm not sure what the population is on most individual servers though. It could be as high as 10k.
ESO is on a mega server. That means you would be buying/selling from every single person playing the game. 500k-1 million. It sounds cool on the outside looking in, but once you experience this type of AH, you may change your tune. GW2 is also on a mega server and is a perfect example of the type of AH ESO would have.
It means that there would literally be thousands or tens of thousands of each item posted on the AH. It means that the value of all these items will be just pennies above vendor cost. Rare items would still be rare, and they would still be extremely expensive.
People here that are posting concerns about market manipulation should consider this: in ESO there are several individual markets, making it almost impossible for a few people to control any aspect of the market. In GW2 with a global auction house, a few people can control everything. I remember watching videos of people that had hundreds of accounts. They would buy in bulk ( 100k stacks of ore for example) at a time, then manipulate the entire market. They play it like penny stocks on Wall Street.
Crafting is also basically useless with a global system because every item that you can craft is being sold by the thousands on the AH. There is no sense of unique accomplishment.
We have many people here that simply do not understand what they are asking for. If you tried GW2 or another MMO that uses a global system, then you will have an educated understanding when expressing like or dislike for that type of system.
But if you have never tried that type of system, then be very careful what you are asking for.
The main problem seems to be trying to find and implement a system that produces a happy medium. The problem you state with a global auction house on a megaserver is absolutely valid. Nor is it what I want to see happen. But what we have NOW makes shopping and selling an absolute headache that is not FUN at all. Something that MIGHT help would perhaps be the ability for players to be able to sell their goods at ANY kiosk but they'd pay a substantially higher cut to the guild that OWNS the kiosk than the members of that guild do. That way people who really don't WANT to give up one or more of their precious guild slots are not frozen out of the market and more goods would become more readily available. Few things tick me off more than going to the trouble to go to a darned kiosk area and doing a search only to find half a dozen or even NO items that fit the search listed.
There is no doubt that the kiosk system could use some tweaks imo. It boggles the mind that there isn't a search bar for Pete's sake. The sales notification is as vague as it possibly could be, and we still have to log or zone half the time in order to get a purchased item to come through the mail.
I wouldn't be opposed to allowing non-guild members the use of a kiosk with a moderate listing fee. The only problem I can see with that idea is that gold farmers or otherwise malicious individuals would be able to have their way with a guild's store. If that happens now, the GM can simply boot that individual from the guild. With your idea, that wouldn't be an option. Most trading guilds are run by normal honest people that care about the reputation and integrity of their guild, so it would be a crappy situation if a GM were unable to stop someone from intentionally destroying a guild's store or even using it to sell illegally farmed materials. For example you see a guy named "yyterhnccbdf" selling 30 stacks of jute... what could the GM do about it? Perhaps if there was an option to block someone from using your store by blocking their account.. But then people would complain about this being abused. I dunno.
Honestly I wish we had some kind of ability to create moderate sized markets such as a zone wide AH. But the devs have said several times that the only option is a global system. Not sure why, I'm not a programmer. Maybe it's because it would just be a nightmare to try and create such a thing with all the phasing.
But as long as the choices are kiosks or global AH, I will support kiosks because I hated the AH in GW2.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like to see a global auction house.Someone was using that old poll from May in another thread to "prove" that the majority of users want a global auction house now.
That's untrue. I was challenging the assertion that the majority of players prefer the present system. I did so by linking one poll from before the present system when a clear majority disliked the then system and most of those opposed to it wanted an auction house, and then a second poll from after the present system was introduced when a clear majority wanted an auction house. The polls taken together showed that the change to the present system did not provide the improvement players were looking for. Most didn't like the old system, and most didn't like the present one either.
The poll here is currently neck and neck, with a slight majority of votes cast in favour of retaining the present system but tweaking it, although a few of the posters commenting have voted for that option while indicating their preference to retain the present system as it is. If their votes were transferred to the third option that should have been provided, that is to keep the present system as it is, there would be a majority currently in favour of an auction house.
However, all that is semantics. What really matters is that there is a substantial dislike of the present system in its present form. I have no particular preference for an auction house, although of the suggestions put forward a faction based auction house would seem the best solution. However, I just want an effective trading system which the present trader guilds' kiosks simply do not provide.Edited by Tandor on December 28, 2014 9:46PM1 -
WhiskyBob✭✭✭✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.Current system is better for new players.
- Global Auction House means a few wealthy players can control the whole global market, manipulating prices the way they want. At the moment few groups try to control the market by dictating prices in most popular locations (Craglorn, Rawl'Kha etc.) but they wont control entire market. They can influence it but not as much as they would if there was a global auction house.
- Constant gold gain (quests, selling stuff to NPC's etc.) with absolutely 0 risk of loosing anything (gear etc.) leads to inflation which can be slowed down (in such game it can never be stopped tho) by scattering the market (trade kiosks) and adding money sinks (bank space etc.)2 -
Lord_Kreegan✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I would like to see a global auction house.
As usual, Alphashado, you adopt a condescending tone insulting everyone because nobody knows what you do (according to you) and nobody understands what you understand (according to you) because nobdy has played the games like you have.Alphashado wrote: »Psychobunni wrote: »I'd like to see zone based AH's.... AC, DC, EP....but it's not an option.
Edit: I think all those stating it will "ruin" the economy are nuts personally. LOTRO has AH and I made my gold in much the same way I do here. Its *one* of the reasons I intend to vote them over ESO in the upcoming mmo contest
With all due respect, your post is a perfect example of how many people don't understand what they are asking for.
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Bunk.
I'm quite sure a lot of us HAVE been playing MMOs for a very long time and have experience with the various forms of AH; we are not neophytes; some of us have even been developers.
We disagree with you because -- quite frankly -- you are wrong. Not slightly wrong, but horribly biased wrong.
You insist on saying a global AH can't work on a megaserver because supply of items would be too large; in your very statement you exhibit your lack of understanding of basic economics.
With a large number of people, there is also large DEMAND. Without supply and demand, prices do not seek an appropriate equilibrium.
You worry that prices on items will be only pennies above what vendors will pay; well if there is no DEMAND for those items, the prices SHOULD be only pennies above what vendors will pay and players shouldn't be selling those items.
Basic fundamental economics AND principles of business...
You say you don't want to manipulate the market, but price manipulation is exactly what you are stating that you want.
Quit insulting people. Pick up a freshman's book of economics, because you are talking out of your *** orifice.
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Marthenil✭✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.Lord_Kreegan wrote: »
As usual, Alphashado, you adopt a condescending tone insulting everyone because nobody knows what you do (according to you) and nobody understands what you understand (according to you) because nobdy has played the games like you have.Alphashado wrote: »Psychobunni wrote: »I'd like to see zone based AH's.... AC, DC, EP....but it's not an option.
Edit: I think all those stating it will "ruin" the economy are nuts personally. LOTRO has AH and I made my gold in much the same way I do here. Its *one* of the reasons I intend to vote them over ESO in the upcoming mmo contest
With all due respect, your post is a perfect example of how many people don't understand what they are asking for.
<--SNIP-->
Bunk.
I'm quite sure a lot of us HAVE been playing MMOs for a very long time and have experience with the various forms of AH; we are not neophytes; some of us have even been developers.
We disagree with you because -- quite frankly -- you are wrong. Not slightly wrong, but horribly biased wrong.
You insist on saying a global AH can't work on a megaserver because supply of items would be too large; in your very statement you exhibit your lack of understanding of basic economics.
With a large number of people, there is also large DEMAND. Without supply and demand, prices do not seek an appropriate equilibrium.
You worry that prices on items will be only pennies above what vendors will pay; well if there is no DEMAND for those items, the prices SHOULD be only pennies above what vendors will pay and players shouldn't be selling those items.
Basic fundamental economics AND principles of business...
You say you don't want to manipulate the market, but price manipulation is exactly what you are stating that you want.
Quit insulting people. Pick up a freshman's book of economics, because you are talking out of your *** orifice.
I greatly dislike playing lawyer, but your post is utter bovine feces, attacking his person mostly, without any tangible arguments.
You mention failing basic economics, however you seem to fall into the very same mistake.
You see, supply and demand works exactly like you describe. The issue is, it only works like that in a scenario with FINITE resources. In ESO, and most other MMO's supply is infinite. Period. There's been much discussion on how it works and many theories about this, and how time is in the end the only resource that matters.
To cut a very long story short, it's been proven time and time again, in most MMOs with a global AH, from GW2 to D3, that currencies deflate like crazy. I'm not going to bother replying in a fashion that goes into depth, as you seem hell bent on the fact that you (and those countless others you mention, while you are losing the poll, mind) but there's been no example of a successful global AH. Ever.
You either stop using gold and instead turn into other currencies, rarity making up the worth of the item, or you somehow limit accessibility to the supply.
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✭✭✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.This is definitely one of the most bias polls I've seen in a while lol.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.Lord_Kreegan wrote: »
As usual, Alphashado, you adopt a condescending tone insulting everyone because nobody knows what you do (according to you) and nobody understands what you understand (according to you) because nobdy has played the games like you have.Alphashado wrote: »Psychobunni wrote: »I'd like to see zone based AH's.... AC, DC, EP....but it's not an option.
Edit: I think all those stating it will "ruin" the economy are nuts personally. LOTRO has AH and I made my gold in much the same way I do here. Its *one* of the reasons I intend to vote them over ESO in the upcoming mmo contest
With all due respect, your post is a perfect example of how many people don't understand what they are asking for.
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Bunk.
I'm quite sure a lot of us HAVE been playing MMOs for a very long time and have experience with the various forms of AH; we are not neophytes; some of us have even been developers.
We disagree with you because -- quite frankly -- you are wrong. Not slightly wrong, but horribly biased wrong.
You insist on saying a global AH can't work on a megaserver because supply of items would be too large; in your very statement you exhibit your lack of understanding of basic economics.
With a large number of people, there is also large DEMAND. Without supply and demand, prices do not seek an appropriate equilibrium.
You worry that prices on items will be only pennies above what vendors will pay; well if there is no DEMAND for those items, the prices SHOULD be only pennies above what vendors will pay and players shouldn't be selling those items.
Basic fundamental economics AND principles of business...
You say you don't want to manipulate the market, but price manipulation is exactly what you are stating that you want.
Quit insulting people. Pick up a freshman's book of economics, because you are talking out of your *** orifice.
Clearly when someone uses lotro as an indication of the type of AH they wan't, that means they simply don't understand how an AH works on a mega server compared to games like lotro. I was only explaining the difference.
I didn't insult anyone at all. Not even close. Honestly there is no reason to even respond to you ever again. Nor am I interested in reading anything you have to say in the future. If you want a true indication of what insulting someone is, just read all of the things you just said to me. Welcome to my ignore list. Good day.
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✭✭No, I would rather see the kiosk system tweaked.timidobserver wrote: »This is definitely one of the most bias polls I've seen in a while lol.
The devs have said repeatedly that the only type of auction system we could have in ESO is a Global Auction house. That makes the choice pretty clear to me. Either you want a global auction house, or you want to keep the current system and continue to tweak it. I'm really not sure why you consider it biased.
In fact it seems pretty cut and dry.
I would love to see smaller regional auction houses. But that isn't an option. According to the developers it can't and won't ever happen due to phasing and the mega server.
So if you want an auction house, then cool. I respect your opinion. But people should understand that it means a global auction house, not the kozy little server AH like you see in WoW.
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