Enlightenment questions

Huggernaut

So I hadn't heard much about this and I went and checked out the ESO live stream to find out more and it was yet another thing about this new 1.6 that seemed to really irk the (censored) outta me.

From what I could tell, you earn enlightenment time while your character is idle, be it while standing in town, leveling an alt, etc

I have no problems with this part.

What I do have an issue with is, is that the devs were saying that each champion point is going to take hour or more per point, WHILE ENLIGHTENED, and while you are enlightened, you are earning points at roughly 4x the rate you normally are.

Which means, that of those 3000+ points you need to max out the system, it's going to take 4hrs or more per point. Which I think its utterly ludicrous beyond imagining.

I really really hope I misunderstood something, but if this is true, It's time to unsub for me, because this sounds more like a second job than any sort of enjoyable past time.

btw 12000 hrs = 500 days.

Please tell me I'm wrong because the more I learn about this system today the more it makes me want to start throat punching every dev I can find.

Bored_One

People need a carrot, this is it. Just give it a try before you bail. It may not be that bad.

Breg_Magol

Huggernaut wrote: »

Please tell me I'm wrong because the more I learn about this system today the more it makes me want to start throat punching every dev I can find.

Gratuitous and stupid comment. Time for you to take a break. No game on earth is worth going berserk over ... and "throat punching"? Give me a break!

BeardLumber

The way I understood it was that it takes about an hour to gain one champion point and THEN when you get the enlightenment buff it increases the exp rate by four times.

Huggernaut

Breg_Magol wrote: »

Huggernaut wrote: »

Please tell me I'm wrong because the more I learn about this system today the more it makes me want to start throat punching every dev I can find.

Gratuitous and stupid comment. Time for you to take a break. No game on earth is worth going berserk over ... and "throat punching"? Give me a break!

It was an obvious exaggeration you muppet. I mean, what kind of crazy person runs around punching people in the throat?

I shouldn't even have had to explain that (SMH).

Audigy

For what its worth....,

you don't need to max out your char, this isn't even considered by the Devs. Its a system which provides you with a char progression, just like D3´s Paragon system does.

In theory its endless, but at some point the benefit of yet another point is so small that it hardly matters.

I don't understand why some players (I assume new to MMOs), always want everything as fast as possible. Do you know that it could take a year to build a house at Ultima?

That it took 4 months at WOW to become Rank 14 or clear a raid?

I always say, an MMO that offers me something is better than one that doesn't. What so many MMOs do wrong these days is the lack of "to do" things. Things that actually matter and are not just item grinds.

Getting 1 point every hour is a lot, go check WS where it takes a lot longer. Without enlightenment its 4 hours (after my understanding), which is still fast.

ers101284b14_ESO

Huggernaut wrote: »

Breg_Magol wrote: »

Huggernaut wrote: »

Please tell me I'm wrong because the more I learn about this system today the more it makes me want to start throat punching every dev I can find.

Gratuitous and stupid comment. Time for you to take a break. No game on earth is worth going berserk over ... and "throat punching"? Give me a break!

I mean, what kind of crazy person runs around punching people in the throat?

It's more fun than you realize.

Huggernaut

It's not an endless system. There are a finite number of points. Have you watched the latest stream where they explained it?

They dropped it from 14000+ points to 3000 something specifically for that reason. So that there WAS an end, also to make the points more meaningful.

That is neither here nor there though, the point is 4+ hours per point is absurd.

Also, I am far from being new to MMOs. I've been around a very very long time, and while I might have spent over a year maxing out my first character in Asherons Call 1, or spent god knows how many months leveling in EQ1, etc etc...

It's because of those reasons that I know that the vast majority of people don't have that sort of time to commit to a video game nowadays.

Period.

P.s.

That isn't even taking into consideration the diminishing returns on the points as you spend them, so sure the first few points you are earning, you are getting 1% or 0.9%, etc ... but eventually that drops to 0.1%.

DeLindsay

boisits wrote: »

The way I understood it was that it takes about an hour to gain one champion point and THEN when you get the enlightenment buff it increases the exp rate by four times.

Nope, Enlightenment is gained on a tick per 'X' minutes basis whether you're online or not and not actively gaining XP on a VR character. Think of it like rested XP in other MMO's. If you want to play a sub level 50 alt for a while you gain Enlightenment the entire time (to a cap of roughly 1 CP worth, subject to change) and then when you jump on your VR character you are Enlightened. At that time you are earning CP at a 4x rate (subject to change ofc). Once any VR character has used up the Enlightenment you go back to earning CP at roughly 1 per hour while actively gaining XP on any VR.

Another example is if you are on any of your VR characters but off doing crafting or achievements where you are not actively earning XP, you will also be gaining Enlightenment to be used when you choose (again, to w/e cap they put in). This way no matter what you do, or don't do, in game or offline you are still gaining CP in a way. They are doing this to help keep the gap from widening too fast, which is a fools errand due to the tenacity of some Humans to be better at a thing than others.

AlexDougherty

Bored_One wrote: »

People need a carrot, this is it. Just give it a try before you bail. It may not be that bad.

Agreed, I won't condemn any part of the new system before I actually try it, mainly because I have seen people do that with other games, and what you got was actually quite fun and pleasant.

Aoife32001

DeLindsay wrote: »

They are doing this to help keep the gap from widening too fast, which is a fools errand due to the tenacity of some Humans to be better at a thing than others.

I wouldn't say it's a "fool's errand", as it will have a noticeable effect on slowing the difference between players down. This permits those humans who want to be better at important things (careers, family, etc.) to nevertheless remain relatively competitive with those who want to be better at trivial things (like MMOs), and if anything, encourages those who want to be good at both to devote more time to what actually matters.

DeLindsay

Aoife32001 wrote: »

I wouldn't say it's a "fool's errand", as it will have a noticeable effect on slowing the difference between players down. This permits those humans who want to be better at important things (careers, family, etc.) to nevertheless remain relatively competitive with those who want to be better at trivial things (like MMOs), and if anything, encourages those who want to be good at both to devote more time to what actually matters.

I have to admit my comment about it being a fool's errand is a jab at ZoS completely underestimating players. Paul Sage said before Craglorn came out that Trials would be difficult for even seasoned MMO veterans. Within a VERY short period AA was being done in ~9 minutes. That is what I'm referring to the tenacity of Humans to be superior at a thing. The Champion System might go the same way, or it might not, it all depends on how well planned it is. I'm 100% for there being a slowing mechanism to keep the gap from broadening so fast that it makes the Champ System the new running joke of ESO. I enjoy this game and look forward to many of the upcoming changes/additions, I just hope ZoS really thought it out well this time and implement a balanced and bug free mechanic to ESO that we can all enjoy.

Breg_Magol

Huggernaut wrote: »

It was an obvious exaggeration you muppet. I mean, what kind of crazy person runs around punching people in the throat?

I don't understand why you choose such language, excepting that you haven't actually had real world experience ... you sound like a latte sipping, opinionated, the world owes me wannabe tough guy .. you muppet.
In my experience, a strike to the throat was part of a last ditch tool-set that was used to incapacitate or kill the enemy.
I see no difference to you using "throat punch" to "shiv" or "knife" or "shoot" ... how about, "snap your neck" ..

Or, have I just done a Rip Van Winkle ... and woken up in a new era where it's acceptable? SMH!

FWIW, your language escalated the negative charge of the conversation to an unacceptable level for me ...

Huggernaut wrote: »

I shouldn't even have had to explain that (SMH).

Indeed, I feel I shouldn't have to explain that ... and I hope I haven't overloaded your ego.

Huggernaut

@Breg_Magol


Alright there drama queen, maybe you should go take a pill and have a little lie down.

OrangeTheCat

Huggernaut wrote: »

@Breg_Magol


Alright there drama queen, maybe you should go take a pill and have a little lie down.

He needs a nap that's for sure. Maybe a good tuck in too.