Fixing racial passives

Gravord

Currently few passives doesnt really match game lore and could be easily fixed. In the same time Robust passive is useless both in pvp and pve.
Suggested fixes:

- Nord Robust should be swap for Tough (12% hp bonus) - Nords are toughest and strongest/biggest human race. Imperials having four times more hp than Nords totally doesnt fit game lore. With that change Nord would have 15% hp total bonus but still nothing to stamina/magicka.

- Khajit Robust also should be replaced. Id suggest adding new skill, lets call it Agile, with 2/4/6% to dodge incoming damage. Khajits are most agile and sneaky race of Tamriel and their passive should reflect that, petty hp regen is not what they are about.

- Orc Robust - could be replace with Redguard Vigor (9% stam recover in battle).


Thats how i would see passives adjusted to match game lore while staying usefull but not overpowered.

Rosveen

In previous games base health was governed by Endurance and the races with the highest values (50 for both sexes) were Orcs and Redguards. Nords were the strongest as in hard-hitting and heavy-lifting. Just saying.

AshySamurai

I waited when this topic appear again.

Gravord

Rosveen wrote: »

In previous games base health was governed by Endurance and the races with the highest values (50 for both sexes) were Orcs and Redguards. Nords were the strongest as in hard-hitting and heavy-lifting. Just saying.

Thats true but not sure how exactly could put it into passive. Hp bonus seems easy way to do it. Maybe 2/4/6% bonus dmg to melee attacks could be solution.

AshySamurai wrote: »

I waited when this topic appear again.

So much insight.

Lynx7386

- Khajit Robust also should be replaced. Id suggest adding new skill, lets call it Agile, with 2/4/6% to dodge incoming damage. Khajits are most agile and sneaky race of Tamriel and their passive should reflect that, petty hp regen is not what they are about.

Dont touch my khajiit racials, or I'll bite your hands off.

Despite the fact that khajiit are naturally agile and sneaky (which is reflected in their stealth racial and critical hit racial passives), we're also, at this point in time, the front line and vanguard of the aldmeri dominion. Khajiiti warriors do exist - remember that one you fight in the oblivion arena, who charges in at you with heavy armor and a maul the size of a tree? Yea.

The only thing I'd give up my 30% health regen for is 30% more stamina regen, and that probably wont happen.

Gravord

30% hp regen is completelly useless passive, get something usefull

AshySamurai

It's a dead horse and in wrong thread. We have racial skills section.

Gravord

Section that ZOS didnt dignify with single answer? No thanks

Lionxoft

You want 15% health bonus AND 6% flat damage reduction?

Gravord

And thats so strong comparing to 22% stat bonus or 15% stat bonus, 7% more fire dmg and 1550 fire resist?

AshySamurai

Gravord wrote: »

And thats so strong comparing to 22% stat bonus or 15% stat bonus, 7% more fire dmg and 1550 fire resist?

WAT? Max stat bonus I've ever seen is 12% for imperials.

Gravord

12% hp and 10% stamina gives 22% total.

dodgehopper_ESO

Actually, I've never liked the Imperial racials in the TES games. ESO is the first time I liked them, and frankly they do make sense since the Cyro-Nords (Imperials are Nedic you know, this isn't an improper term, and has been used in other games) are supposed to make some of the toughest most organized troops. I'm glad that for once the Imperials not only look cool, but aren't just getting a few more percent gold in a bag, or getting a slightly better chance at talking someone's ear off.

As for racials being 'off', I still miss the Shock resistance that Nords use to get from Morrowind (They were also immune to ice in morrowind). I miss the water breathing of argonians (I realize there is no need for it in ESO, more is the pity). I think Redgards are missing their historic resilience to poison and disease, in fact, they had better numbers for this than the Bosmer. How about Orc resistance to magic, for some reason they made Orcs completely awful in Skyrim, and now in ESO they forgot that Orcs had magic resistance too? Orcs really are the Pariah Folk. I have to admit, I wanted to play one in Skyrim because of all the Orc villages, the proximity to Wrothgar, etc but honestly... they just stink. All they got was a 1/day. ESO isn't much better, I have to agree. Health Regen bonuses would be a lot nicer too if things like vampirism didn't chop it down to worthless as well.

Anyway the point is, they don't need to be perfect, but hopefully the Champion system will flush it out so the differences aren't as big of a deal as they are right now. That's what I hope.

Gravord

Champion system also remove soft caps from atributes, And it will only make bigger imbalance between races having strong stat bonus and races having crappy hp regen. Its better adress this issue now than wait for dramas starting.

WhiskyBob

Imbalance between races? Nah. Noone can outrun the Orc! Or outswim an Argonian..... why those passive are even still here?

Basically in low level zones all you see now is TONS of Dunmer/High Elf/Breton Templars. And not much else.

Lynx7386

I have four characters, one for each class. A dominion 2h/medium nightblade, a dominion dual wield/medium sorcerer, a covenant resto/2 heavy+5 light templar, and a pact destro+resto/light armor dragon knight.

All four of these characters are khajiit. Racial bonuses and factions don't matter when you're as good looking as a khajiit.

Gravord

Lynx7386 wrote: »

All four of these characters are khajiit. Racial bonuses and factions don't matter when you're as good looking as a khajiit.

Thats true but still would be nice have some balance. Incoming patch will be big kick in the cat ass.

WhiskyBob wrote: »

Imbalance between races? Nah. Noone can outrun the Orc! Or outswim an Argonian..... why those passive are even still here?

Basically in low level zones all you see now is TONS of Dunmer/High Elf/Breton Templars. And not much else.

Well, its happening for a reason. Racials matter a lot and some races have very terrible while others have godmode. Average imperial have 300 more hp than any other race without hp bonus and 100-200 more stamina (100 if non stamina user, 200 if stamina build). Champ system will only increase issue with that and it should be adressed now before it launch.

Lynx7386

Gravord wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

All four of these characters are khajiit. Racial bonuses and factions don't matter when you're as good looking as a khajiit.

Thats true but still would be nice have some balance. Incoming patch will be big kick in the cat ass.

How so? What's changing?

Gravord

Soft caps getting removed. From atributes too.

Lynx7386

Doesn't seem like that will impact khajiit in any negative way

Gravord

It will impact every race and those with low atribute bonus as khajit will stay behind others even more than they are right now.

Lynx7386

For raw stats, sure, but khajiit get +6% weapon crit over every other race.

Gravord

6% weaponcrit can be almost cover from 1 bonus on armor set. 300 hp and 200 stamina takes 4 or 5 set bonuses.

Heishi

I still vote for Khajiit go back to the days of old (or future I suppose) where claws are viable weapon and bring back hand-to-hand.

Aeratus

Gravord wrote: »

It will impact every race and those with low atribute bonus as khajit will stay behind others even more than they are right now.

That's true. 6% crit is only 3% increase in dps. On the other hand, when softcaps are removed, the imperial's 10% bonus to stamina is expected to result in a 5% increase in dps (since half the damage of attacks derive from the stamina/magicka pool).

Lionxoft

So let me try this again... You want 12% health AND 6% flat damage mitigation?

lol.lmao.rofl.lolrofllmao

Lynx7386

Aeratus wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

It will impact every race and those with low atribute bonus as khajit will stay behind others even more than they are right now.

That's true. 6% crit is only 3% increase in dps. On the other hand, when softcaps are removed, the imperial's 10% bonus to stamina is expected to result in a 5% increase in dps (since half the damage of attacks derive from the stamina/magicka pool).

It's all for different purposes. Critical strike is catered to burst damage. A burst damage build will outperform a sustained damage build in any short duration engagement. Burst is better for pvp, sustained is better for long pve boss fights.

Also, crit does not directly convert into a static DPS increase. 6% crit is not always a 3% dps increase - it scales with your other stats (critical damage, weapon damage, attack speed, armor penetration, so on and so forth). 6% crit will be weighted higher if you're running with increases in any of those stats.

Samadhi

Don't take my Nord's Robust.

Went Nord specifically with the intent of tanking and that passive is a big part of my plans once the softcaps are removed.

Misa

I wish they would remove racials or atleast make them non combat related

never felt it belonged in an mmo

dodgehopper_ESO

Misa wrote: »

I wish they would remove racials or atleast make them non combat related

never felt it belonged in an mmo

I disagree, but I do think that racials should wash out when you include the effects of Champion system. I'm not saying they will, but I think that would be a better system. I've always liked in TES games the way different races were good at different things as you leveled up, but at the end game, race didn't matter all that much.

Samadhi

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Misa wrote: »

I wish they would remove racials or atleast make them non combat related

never felt it belonged in an mmo

I disagree, but I do think that racials should wash out when you include the effects of Champion system. I'm not saying they will, but I think that would be a better system. I've always liked in TES games the way different races were good at different things as you leveled up, but at the end game, race didn't matter all that much.

Always found that a little weird about ESO.

In the rest of the TES games, Race and Class define who you are at the start (character building) but have no real pronounced effect on who you become.

In ESO, Race and Class are the defining features of who you become at the end of the journey.