So Haste is being changed.

Darkonflare15

So watching the ESO Live and seen they are changing Haste to a new move that is called Grim Focus. This move is basically a minor damage buff that once enough hits happen you will be able use a new move that is a spectral bow that does more damage. Sounds cool but would be annoying in use if it becomes bugged. I wonder what the morphs going to be like.
Another issue about this is the new buff system that allows you to use one ability to buff damage but if you use another ability that buffs damage that boost is smaller compare to the first.
I find this kind of conflicting because night blades have a lot of different kinds of weapon boosts and I kind of find this redundant for night blades but it is nice for night blades to get a damage boost ability for a duration without having to fill out some kind stipulation first like get it on a kill with Reaper's mark or more attack per enemy like power drain.

I found this description of the ability:

Haste (Nightblade) – this was a cool concept, but because of light attack weaving this ability was never really useful or powerful. We replaced this ability with “Grim Focus” which is a duration buff which grants the “Minor Damage Done” buff for around 20 seconds. It tracks how many times you have attacked your target. Once you have done 8 attacks, it swaps to a new attack that allows you to summon a spectral bow which shoots the enemy for a high amount of damage. This is really cool because it’s a highly interactive ability.

Instead of weapon boosts buff it maybe a increase damage boost. So this boost would be like the damage boost from death stroke and ambush. So that kind of sucks because I really wanted to try out the stamina ambush alone with this. I guess we will see once we be able to test it out on the PTS.

How do you guys feel about the change to haste?

divinitywithinnub18_ESO

It sounds like a completely new ability.
This makes me sad. They keep removing all of the Attack Speed effects from the game, as well as nerfing all of the Movement/Stealth speed bonuses we got.
I wanted to make a Fast attacking, Fast Running/Stealthed Scout type class, but they keep taking things away that make that idea possible.
(such as: the change to Rapid Strikes, Athletics passive from medium armor, and the Dark Stalker stacking with Nights Silence). Now Haste.
Haste was an awesome ability. Specially with the Focused Attacks morph with the increased Stam Regen. Great for a NB Tank, but I also used it on my DPS bar during boss fights so I always had Stam to Dodge. >< Im gonna miss it...
And, I dont know if ill be using the new ability. I suppose it would still be an ok replacement for my DPS bar. We shall see.

Faulgor

divinitywithinnub18_ESO wrote: »

It sounds like a completely new ability.
This makes me sad. They keep removing all of the Attack Speed effects from the game, as well as nerfing all of the Movement/Stealth speed bonuses we got.
I wanted to make a Fast attacking, Fast Running/Stealthed Scout type class, but they keep taking things away that make that idea possible.
(such as: the change to Rapid Strikes, Athletics passive from medium armor, and the Dark Stalker stacking with Nights Silence). Now Haste.
Haste was an awesome ability. Specially with the Focused Attacks morph with the increased Stam Regen. Great for a NB Tank, but I also used it on my DPS bar during boss fights so I always had Stam to Dodge. >< Im gonna miss it...
And, I dont know if ill be using the new ability. I suppose it would still be an ok replacement for my DPS bar. We shall see.

Agreed. This change totally kills my Berserk Orc, which already changed from DW to 2H because of the Rapid Strikes change. I used the Incapacitate morph by the way, the boost to heavy attack damage was nice even if you didn't spam light attacks. And the attack speed gain is fantastic to proc buffs like Evil Hunter and crits for ultimate generation. Never had more fun in ESO than butchering Daedroths like this.
Now, there is no option to the spam-ability-from-your-bar-and-drain-resource-pool play style. Well, at least I can still run fast ...

The new ability sounds like a terrible replacement, to be honest. Why would I want a bow with my 2h berserk-type character?

Worst Christmas gift ever.

NordJitsu

It doesn't buff your damage.

It gives you passive Ultimate Generation for 20 seconds. If you land 8 Light Attacks in that time, that's when you get the bow shot.

PBpsy

What is even stranger is the reason for the change.Haste wasn't made useless by Weapon attack weaving at all it made weapon attack weaving very smooth and better on all NB DPS builds stamina or magicka.

Glory

If you don't like this version of your "Major Buff," just use another since they clumped all skills with similar buffs/debuffs together into one package anyway.

NordJitsu wrote: »

It doesn't buff your damage.

It gives you passive Ultimate Generation for 20 seconds. If you land 8 Light Attacks in that time, that's when you get the bow shot.

Nowhere did they say this. Please provide a link.

NordJitsu

ebethke_ESO wrote: »

If you don't like this version of your "Major Buff," just use another since they clumped all skills with similar buffs/debuffs together into one package anyway.

NordJitsu wrote: »

It doesn't buff your damage.

It gives you passive Ultimate Generation for 20 seconds. If you land 8 Light Attacks in that time, that's when you get the bow shot.

Nowhere did they say this. Please provide a link.

They said it gives you the "Minor Damage Done Buff" for 20 seconds. I assumed that was the buff for ultimate generation you get for doing light attacks (which normally lasts 3 seconds.)

I very well could have misunderstood.

I guess it could be part of the buff consolidation system and this skill is just the minor version of a damage buff (rather than the major version?)

kongkim

Think the new ability sounds cool. But i would like that it was a spectral weapon of that weapon you were using and not only a bow.

Also they said a Minor Damage Buff and then boom after 8 hits. Nothing about ultimate generation.

Darkonflare15

NordJitsu wrote: »

It doesn't buff your damage.

It gives you passive Ultimate Generation for 20 seconds. If you land 8 Light Attacks in that time, that's when you get the bow shot.

Sorry about that I re look at the video again and check it. He says more damage done. So I am guessing he just means you do more damage instead of getting weapon power.

Here is the Highlights: http://tamrielfoundry.com/2014/12/champion-system-details/

Samadhi

Personally more interested in the Teleport Strike Stamina morph.

Finally my Dual Wield Nightblade can have a decent opener.

Koensol

Faulgor wrote: »

divinitywithinnub18_ESO wrote: »

It sounds like a completely new ability.
This makes me sad. They keep removing all of the Attack Speed effects from the game, as well as nerfing all of the Movement/Stealth speed bonuses we got.
I wanted to make a Fast attacking, Fast Running/Stealthed Scout type class, but they keep taking things away that make that idea possible.
(such as: the change to Rapid Strikes, Athletics passive from medium armor, and the Dark Stalker stacking with Nights Silence). Now Haste.
Haste was an awesome ability. Specially with the Focused Attacks morph with the increased Stam Regen. Great for a NB Tank, but I also used it on my DPS bar during boss fights so I always had Stam to Dodge. >< Im gonna miss it...
And, I dont know if ill be using the new ability. I suppose it would still be an ok replacement for my DPS bar. We shall see.

Agreed. This change totally kills my Berserk Orc, which already changed from DW to 2H because of the Rapid Strikes change. I used the Incapacitate morph by the way, the boost to heavy attack damage was nice even if you didn't spam light attacks. And the attack speed gain is fantastic to proc buffs like Evil Hunter and crits for ultimate generation. Never had more fun in ESO than butchering Daedroths like this.
Now, there is no option to the spam-ability-from-your-bar-and-drain-resource-pool play style. Well, at least I can still run fast ...

The new ability sounds like a terrible replacement, to be honest. Why would I want a bow with my 2h berserk-type character?

Worst Christmas gift ever.

Have to agree with this a 100%. I freaking loved incapacitate, and the bow is going to be pretty damned lame in my opinion. Seriously, couldn't you have replaced blur for something useful in stead?

Darkonflare15

Koensol wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

divinitywithinnub18_ESO wrote: »

It sounds like a completely new ability.
This makes me sad. They keep removing all of the Attack Speed effects from the game, as well as nerfing all of the Movement/Stealth speed bonuses we got.
I wanted to make a Fast attacking, Fast Running/Stealthed Scout type class, but they keep taking things away that make that idea possible.
(such as: the change to Rapid Strikes, Athletics passive from medium armor, and the Dark Stalker stacking with Nights Silence). Now Haste.
Haste was an awesome ability. Specially with the Focused Attacks morph with the increased Stam Regen. Great for a NB Tank, but I also used it on my DPS bar during boss fights so I always had Stam to Dodge. >< Im gonna miss it...
And, I dont know if ill be using the new ability. I suppose it would still be an ok replacement for my DPS bar. We shall see.

Agreed. This change totally kills my Berserk Orc, which already changed from DW to 2H because of the Rapid Strikes change. I used the Incapacitate morph by the way, the boost to heavy attack damage was nice even if you didn't spam light attacks. And the attack speed gain is fantastic to proc buffs like Evil Hunter and crits for ultimate generation. Never had more fun in ESO than butchering Daedroths like this.
Now, there is no option to the spam-ability-from-your-bar-and-drain-resource-pool play style. Well, at least I can still run fast ...

The new ability sounds like a terrible replacement, to be honest. Why would I want a bow with my 2h berserk-type character?

Worst Christmas gift ever.

Have to agree with this a 100%. I freaking loved incapacitate, and the bow is going to be pretty damned lame in my opinion. Seriously, couldn't you have replaced blur for something useful in stead?

Yeah I really do not want a bow with my 2 hand character but It does wonder for RP as dual wielder.

Suntzu1414

Koensol wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

divinitywithinnub18_ESO wrote: »

It sounds like a completely new ability.
This makes me sad. They keep removing all of the Attack Speed effects from the game, as well as nerfing all of the Movement/Stealth speed bonuses we got.
I wanted to make a Fast attacking, Fast Running/Stealthed Scout type class, but they keep taking things away that make that idea possible.
(such as: the change to Rapid Strikes, Athletics passive from medium armor, and the Dark Stalker stacking with Nights Silence). Now Haste.
Haste was an awesome ability. Specially with the Focused Attacks morph with the increased Stam Regen. Great for a NB Tank, but I also used it on my DPS bar during boss fights so I always had Stam to Dodge. >< Im gonna miss it...
And, I dont know if ill be using the new ability. I suppose it would still be an ok replacement for my DPS bar. We shall see.

Agreed. This change totally kills my Berserk Orc, which already changed from DW to 2H because of the Rapid Strikes change. I used the Incapacitate morph by the way, the boost to heavy attack damage was nice even if you didn't spam light attacks. And the attack speed gain is fantastic to proc buffs like Evil Hunter and crits for ultimate generation. Never had more fun in ESO than butchering Daedroths like this.
Now, there is no option to the spam-ability-from-your-bar-and-drain-resource-pool play style. Well, at least I can still run fast ...

The new ability sounds like a terrible replacement, to be honest. Why would I want a bow with my 2h berserk-type character?

Worst Christmas gift ever.

Have to agree with this a 100%. I freaking loved incapacitate, and the bow is going to be pretty damned lame in my opinion. Seriously, couldn't you have replaced blur for something useful in stead?

You are right on!!

They should have replaced blur...


Kill Well
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Darkonflare15

You are right on!!

They should have replaced blur...


Kill Well
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I find it funny and ironic that everybody loves Haste now because I remember when everybody consider it a useless ability since weapon damage and stamina was poorly lacking during that time. Maybe they change blur and other abilities because they only stated one for the purpose of the show.

DeLindsay

As NB is my main and only VR14 I'm fine with the change. Focused Attacks (the morph I took) was ok but I found it to be no real DPS increase with the CS build. I do really like it as an option while tanking as it provides a huge Stamina regen bonus. But only time will tell, 1.6 changes haven't even hit PTS yet and everyone is crying foul on the forums and none of them have any idea what the changes will be like once they actually play the game. I do hope that the OP is right and this doesn't end up being another in the long line of broken NB abilities that take months to fix.

Suntzu1414

Darkonflare15 wrote: »

You are right on!!

They should have replaced blur...


Kill Well
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I find it funny and ironic that everybody loves Haste now because I remember when everybody consider it a useless ability since weapon damage and stamina was poorly lacking during that time. Maybe they change blur and other abilities because they only stated one for the purpose of the show.

Finding Haste (morph focused attacks) was only a recent discovery (because of the recent changes to bow/snipe...opened up this weapon skill).

Being a magica NB, i'm overloaded on Magica...but....my secondary buffs
support Stam regen (Wood Elf, WW..etc). FA was a nice addition...

Kill Well
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xaraan

With all the other changes to the game and skills I don't know how concerned I am with one skill here or there. (Much more concerned about some overall issues with the new system) I'll have to see how it all mixes together once it hits pts.

PBpsy

How wants to bet that Agony and morphs will be one of the skills they find to be just alright where it is? You guys remember what that is right? What about Bolstering darkness?

Darkonflare15

So far I do believe that the base form of Haste has changed to the new move Grim Focus. The base move was not really that great since I never could notice the speed difference. Now the morphs is where its at. One that increase stamina regen and one that boost damage with heavy attacks and immobilize when stuck with enough attacks. I wonder is the new ability morphs to same morph or into brand new morphs. I kind of feel that focus strikes still is good name for a morph to ability called grim focus.

dodgehopper_ESO

divinitywithinnub18_ESO wrote: »

It sounds like a completely new ability.
This makes me sad. They keep removing all of the Attack Speed effects from the game, as well as nerfing all of the Movement/Stealth speed bonuses we got.
I wanted to make a Fast attacking, Fast Running/Stealthed Scout type class, but they keep taking things away that make that idea possible.
(such as: the change to Rapid Strikes, Athletics passive from medium armor, and the Dark Stalker stacking with Nights Silence). Now Haste.
Haste was an awesome ability. Specially with the Focused Attacks morph with the increased Stam Regen. Great for a NB Tank, but I also used it on my DPS bar during boss fights so I always had Stam to Dodge. >< Im gonna miss it...
And, I dont know if ill be using the new ability. I suppose it would still be an ok replacement for my DPS bar. We shall see.

Yep I was using this too. I'm likewise sad about losing my blinding flashes on my Templar. We'll see how it goes though. The loss in stamina regen is definitely a hit though, I really relied on that from my focused attacks, either tanking or dps with that character. Its got me scratching my head wondering what I want to do with him now.

Lynx7386

What bothers me about this is that I'm losing a 40% stamina recovery buff for my 2h nightblade berserker. That's a huge nerf in stamina recovery for me, and the only reason I took haste to begin with.

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

Remember they said that you could have a major and minor of each type of buff running where the major gave like 4 to 5 times the buff of the minor.

The new "haste" give you the minor damage buff so you are still able to get a major damage buff from another source.

Samadhi

Lynx7386 wrote: »

What bothers me about this is that I'm losing a 40% stamina recovery buff for my 2h nightblade berserker. That's a huge nerf in stamina recovery for me, and the only reason I took haste to begin with.

Never found that morph gave me 40% to begin with.

Or, rather, it seemed to give 40% of my base regen rather than my total pool.

Darkonflare15

Lynx7386 wrote: »

What bothers me about this is that I'm losing a 40% stamina recovery buff for my 2h nightblade berserker. That's a huge nerf in stamina recovery for me, and the only reason I took haste to begin with.

Don't worry the stamina buff you get from focused attacks is not going away. It still going be a morph for the new skill.
This was clarified on The Tamriel foundry interview with Eric Wrobell,Systems Designer in charge of gameplay and itemization, about some of the upcoming changes.

Q: Is there anything going to be done with the attack speed to make it more useful, specifically weighted traits or the Haste buff for Nightblades, since attack speed is not really useful to current ESO gameplay?

EW: It’s still being thought about for the future, and it’s something I want to do. It’s a pretty big change as there’s potentially a big impact on animations. When you see the patch notes, you will see why we couldn’t get to that. For the Haste ability, we’ve completely changed it for now as it wasn’t effective with the gameplay style most people are using. The new ability is pretty cool. It gives you a Minor Damage Done buff for 20s, and one morph gives you a stamina regeneration buff like it did before. The other cool part of the ability, once you’ve done a couple of attacks, the ability chains to a new attack you can use where you pull out a spectral bow and do a bunch of damage to a target at range.

Here is a link to part of the interview.
http://tamrielfoundry.com/2014/12/champion-system-qa-pt2/

Darkonflare15

The cool thing is this spectral bow can be use at range. It would be a nice alternative than using a bow with a 2h build which I really do not use. Or it could be even great for bow builds. It adds some cool aesthetics to the move. Since the new move gives a minor damage buff means it probably safe to use it with momentum since momentum should be an increase weapon power buff unless they change it.

duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO

What really annoys this is that instead of finally fixing the bug/feature of animation canceling and making speed buffs worthwhile - you know it's not just haste, but all weighted traits and a few other things like rapid strike, the old agility passive etc. we are talking about her, too - they keep on with the stupidity of block casting and light attack weaving.

This one already has a bow, no need for some spectral bow whatever *** - especially when NOT using a bow in melee.

Well, another epic fail in the making.

Darkonflare15

If it looks like this but probably red because of assassin base skills are usually red or it changes colors depending on morph. I would not be mind it at all.
As long as they fixed the bow animations.