Dragon Knights in Cyrodiil

Blud

Complete the sentence:

Dragon Knights in Cyrodiil are ______________________________

Asgari

Normal everyday players like you and I. Some are top 1% players who shine with DK just like others do with other classes.

Surfinginhawaii

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Normal everyday players like you and I. Some are top 1% players who shine with DK just like others do with other classes.

Now this is a very reasonable response.

Blud

Of course the people who play Dragon Knights in game are people. I'm talking about in game. It's not about the person sitting at the computer. That's like saying "give peace a chance." Of course, we should.

Are you a Dragon Knight or is your main character a Dragon Knight?

It would be awesome to be a DK in real life, for sure.

Surfinginhawaii

Blud wrote: »

Of course the people who play Dragon Knights in game are people. I'm talking about in game. It's not about the person sitting at the computer. That's like saying "give peace a chance." Of course, we should.

Are you a Dragon Knight or is your main character a Dragon Knight?

It would be awesome to be a DK in real life, for sure.

I bet this is probably the majority of responses you will get regarding DKs in Cyrodiil, they are overpowered and need to be nerfed.

Jacques Berge

Dragon Knights in Cyrodiil are very killable

Lynx7386

It would be awesome to be a DK in real life, for sure.

Dragonknight probably wouldnt be my first choice of class if I were choosing for the real world. I'd probably go with nightblade, imagine the possibilities of short range teleportation and invisibility. Sorceror would be my second choice, dat twilight...

LegacyDM

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Dragon Knights in Cyrodiil are very killable

Sure if you spec your toon around killing nothing but dragon Knights. Or have a Zerg to burn them down. Or run into a noob who has no clue what they are doing. However, between perm talon spam and perm shield block + casting + reflective scales they are OP. No need to link your video again promoting your awsome skillz since its been posted Multiple times already.

Jacques Berge

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Dragon Knights in Cyrodiil are very killable

Sure if you spec your toon around killing nothing but dragon Knights. Or have a Zerg to burn them down. Or run into a noob who has no clue what they are doing. However, between perm talon spam and perm shield block + casting + reflective scales they are OP. No need to link your video again promoting your awsome skillz since its been posted Multiple times already.

Hahahahahaha man I like my videos Hahahaha... I have fought several players 1v1 who are completely frustrated with how I fight. I can agree that, with all the survivability tools, DKs can be very powerful when they use block-casting. Your issue is with block-casting and roots not being affected by cc immunity... And RS is getting the nerf hammer.

Chesimac

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Dragon Knights in Cyrodiil are very killable

Sure if you spec your toon around killing nothing but dragon Knights. Or have a Zerg to burn them down. Or run into a noob who has no clue what they are doing. However, between perm talon spam and perm shield block + casting + reflective scales they are OP. No need to link your video again promoting your awsome skillz since its been posted Multiple times already.

L2P if you can't kill a dk they have been nerfed twice already and are getting a 3rd. Dodge roll out of talons and drain their stamina in some way (every class has abilities that can) and it shouldn't be too hard after that

Stannum

roots, bloody roots (c)

Cody

The only DKs i consider OP are the perma block talon spammers. Talons does not grant immunity when broken, allowing the DK to keep you taloned the entire fight; not to mention talons does physical damage on cast, allowing the DK to do even more damage to you if you roll out of it, we must also take into account the DoT effect.

Scales is not OP and does not need any kind of nerf in my opinion. People just need to stop mindlessly spamming snipe when a DK drinks red bull and flaps their wings.

Chesimac

Cody wrote: »

The only DKs i consider OP are the perma block talon spammers. Talons does not grant immunity when broken, allowing the DK to keep you taloned the entire fight; not to mention talons does physical damage on cast, allowing the DK to do even more damage to you if you roll out of it, we must also take into account the DoT effect.

Scales is not OP and does not need any kind of nerf in my opinion. People just need to stop mindlessly spamming snipe when a DK drinks red bull and flaps their wings.

They nerfed talons so that the radius doesn't allow you to instantly cc the player again after he/she rolls out... run after that or start attacking.
If you are having trouble getting their block down (Using this as an example since I know you're a nb ) keep shades on them. Even dks with a crap ton of stam cannot hold block when you keep shades on them, use mass hysteria and rapid strikes (dont use the latter if they have spiked armor btw)

Also I like the red bull reference

Cody

Chesimac wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

The only DKs i consider OP are the perma block talon spammers. Talons does not grant immunity when broken, allowing the DK to keep you taloned the entire fight; not to mention talons does physical damage on cast, allowing the DK to do even more damage to you if you roll out of it, we must also take into account the DoT effect.

Scales is not OP and does not need any kind of nerf in my opinion. People just need to stop mindlessly spamming snipe when a DK drinks red bull and flaps their wings.

They nerfed talons so that the radius doesn't allow you to instantly cc the player again after he/she rolls out... run after that or start attacking.
If you are having trouble getting their block down (Using this as an example since I know you're a nb ) keep shades on them. Even dks with a crap ton of stam cannot hold block when you keep shades on them, use mass hysteria and rapid strikes (dont use the latter if they have spiked armor btw)

Also I like the red bull reference

if talons was changed to where DKs cant keep players perma taloned, then the change has not worked in my favor, as i continue to be perma taloned by half the DKs i face.

It honestly would not be so bad if it was not all they did..... and it gets annoying.

speaking of getting thru block, i recelty faced a VR6 DK that could still keep his block up after i hit him 30-50 times with light attacks, WHILE having kept shades on him. It was one of the most ridiculous things i have ever seen in this game.

VERY annoying.

On the bright side though, it is good fun hitting a DK with sparks and watching all their flame whips miss while i attack them:) good fun

LegacyDM

Jacques Berge wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Dragon Knights in Cyrodiil are very killable

Sure if you spec your toon around killing nothing but dragon Knights. Or have a Zerg to burn them down. Or run into a noob who has no clue what they are doing. However, between perm talon spam and perm shield block + casting + reflective scales they are OP. No need to link your video again promoting your awsome skillz since its been posted Multiple times already.

Hahahahahaha man I like my videos Hahahaha... I have fought several players 1v1 who are completely frustrated with how I fight. I can agree that, with all the survivability tools, DKs can be very powerful when they use block-casting. Your issue is with block-casting and roots not being affected by cc immunity... And RS is getting the nerf hammer.

Finally we agree on something.

Chesimac

Cody wrote: »

Chesimac wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

The only DKs i consider OP are the perma block talon spammers. Talons does not grant immunity when broken, allowing the DK to keep you taloned the entire fight; not to mention talons does physical damage on cast, allowing the DK to do even more damage to you if you roll out of it, we must also take into account the DoT effect.

Scales is not OP and does not need any kind of nerf in my opinion. People just need to stop mindlessly spamming snipe when a DK drinks red bull and flaps their wings.

They nerfed talons so that the radius doesn't allow you to instantly cc the player again after he/she rolls out... run after that or start attacking.
If you are having trouble getting their block down (Using this as an example since I know you're a nb ) keep shades on them. Even dks with a crap ton of stam cannot hold block when you keep shades on them, use mass hysteria and rapid strikes (dont use the latter if they have spiked armor btw)

Also I like the red bull reference

if talons was changed to where DKs cant keep players perma taloned, then the change has not worked in my favor, as i continue to be perma taloned by half the DKs i face.

It honestly would not be so bad if it was not all they did..... and it gets annoying.

speaking of getting thru block, i recelty faced a VR6 DK that could still keep his block up after i hit him 30-50 times with light attacks, WHILE having kept shades on him. It was one of the most ridiculous things i have ever seen in this game.

VERY annoying.

On the bright side though, it is good fun hitting a DK with sparks and watching all their flame whips miss while i attack them:) good fun

Wow.... 30-50 light attacks... that's a long fight. Try to mix in some mass hysterias in that case as it is a unblockable cc they must cc break out to be able to do anything

Cody

Chesimac wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Chesimac wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

The only DKs i consider OP are the perma block talon spammers. Talons does not grant immunity when broken, allowing the DK to keep you taloned the entire fight; not to mention talons does physical damage on cast, allowing the DK to do even more damage to you if you roll out of it, we must also take into account the DoT effect.

Scales is not OP and does not need any kind of nerf in my opinion. People just need to stop mindlessly spamming snipe when a DK drinks red bull and flaps their wings.

They nerfed talons so that the radius doesn't allow you to instantly cc the player again after he/she rolls out... run after that or start attacking.
If you are having trouble getting their block down (Using this as an example since I know you're a nb ) keep shades on them. Even dks with a crap ton of stam cannot hold block when you keep shades on them, use mass hysteria and rapid strikes (dont use the latter if they have spiked armor btw)

Also I like the red bull reference

if talons was changed to where DKs cant keep players perma taloned, then the change has not worked in my favor, as i continue to be perma taloned by half the DKs i face.

It honestly would not be so bad if it was not all they did..... and it gets annoying.

speaking of getting thru block, i recelty faced a VR6 DK that could still keep his block up after i hit him 30-50 times with light attacks, WHILE having kept shades on him. It was one of the most ridiculous things i have ever seen in this game.

VERY annoying.

On the bright side though, it is good fun hitting a DK with sparks and watching all their flame whips miss while i attack them:) good fun

Wow.... 30-50 light attacks... that's a long fight. Try to mix in some mass hysterias in that case as it is a unblockable cc they must cc break out to be able to do anything

i feared him multiple times throughout the fight.

It was utter BS. I am getting so tired of players that are so cowardly to the point they have to hide behind block entire battles. I don't normally judge other people... but c'mon, FIGHT ME:(

/sigh

Nijjion

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Dragon Knights in Cyrodiil are very killable

Sure if you spec your toon around killing nothing but dragon Knights. Or have a Zerg to burn them down. Or run into a noob who has no clue what they are doing. However, between perm talon spam and perm shield block + casting + reflective scales they are OP. No need to link your video again promoting your awsome skillz since its been posted Multiple times already.

As a DK I have to spec to kill all the NBs and sorcs that can own my normal DK spec... what's your point?

Chrlynsch

Are damage sponges and don't really mind them... siege the suckers... everything burns.

Cody

Prothwata wrote: »

Are damage sponges and don't really mind them... siege the suckers... everything burns.

But DKs use fire..... how does one burn fire?:D

LegacyDM

Nijjion wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Dragon Knights in Cyrodiil are very killable

Sure if you spec your toon around killing nothing but dragon Knights. Or have a Zerg to burn them down. Or run into a noob who has no clue what they are doing. However, between perm talon spam and perm shield block + casting + reflective scales they are OP. No need to link your video again promoting your awsome skillz since its been posted Multiple times already.

As a DK I have to spec to kill all the NBs and sorcs that can own my normal DK spec... what's your point?

lol, your dragon knight by developer design is a tank. You shouldn't have to spec real hard to counter the offensive mechanics of a NB. Wear a shield, perm block, and cast, rinse and repeat. (Real hard). I laugh when I see every dragon night in cyrodil tanking groups of players by rolling their face across the keyboard. The difference in your argument is that NB by developer design should be offensive. Which means, I have to do a complete 180 to spec into defense, skills, eq, points, and go sword and board just to counter a dragon knight or any other class with a shield or perm root.

TheBull

easy mode.

TheBull

Chesimac wrote: »

joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »

Jacques Berge wrote: »

Dragon Knights in Cyrodiil are very killable

Sure if you spec your toon around killing nothing but dragon Knights. Or have a Zerg to burn them down. Or run into a noob who has no clue what they are doing. However, between perm talon spam and perm shield block + casting + reflective scales they are OP. No need to link your video again promoting your awsome skillz since its been posted Multiple times already.

L2P if you can't kill a dk they have been nerfed twice already and are getting a 3rd. Dodge roll out of talons and drain their stamina in some way (every class has abilities that can) and it shouldn't be too hard after that

I see DK. DK sees me. I know I'm going to have to do 10k dmg if not more to kill him all while he is holding block...

Panda244

Cody wrote: »

Chesimac wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

The only DKs i consider OP are the perma block talon spammers. Talons does not grant immunity when broken, allowing the DK to keep you taloned the entire fight; not to mention talons does physical damage on cast, allowing the DK to do even more damage to you if you roll out of it, we must also take into account the DoT effect.

Scales is not OP and does not need any kind of nerf in my opinion. People just need to stop mindlessly spamming snipe when a DK drinks red bull and flaps their wings.

They nerfed talons so that the radius doesn't allow you to instantly cc the player again after he/she rolls out... run after that or start attacking.
If you are having trouble getting their block down (Using this as an example since I know you're a nb ) keep shades on them. Even dks with a crap ton of stam cannot hold block when you keep shades on them, use mass hysteria and rapid strikes (dont use the latter if they have spiked armor btw)

Also I like the red bull reference

if talons was changed to where DKs cant keep players perma taloned, then the change has not worked in my favor, as i continue to be perma taloned by half the DKs i face.

It honestly would not be so bad if it was not all they did..... and it gets annoying.

speaking of getting thru block, i recelty faced a VR6 DK that could still keep his block up after i hit him 30-50 times with light attacks, WHILE having kept shades on him. It was one of the most ridiculous things i have ever seen in this game.

VERY annoying.

On the bright side though, it is good fun hitting a DK with sparks and watching all their flame whips miss while i attack them:) good fun

I had a guy do that to me, so i got tired of missing, spammed talons 8 times, dropped banner on his dead, walked away, got 800 AP

Chrlynsch

Cody wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

Are damage sponges and don't really mind them... siege the suckers... everything burns.

But DKs use fire..... how does one burn fire?:D

Ever heard of Freezer burn?

Cody

Panda244 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Chesimac wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

The only DKs i consider OP are the perma block talon spammers. Talons does not grant immunity when broken, allowing the DK to keep you taloned the entire fight; not to mention talons does physical damage on cast, allowing the DK to do even more damage to you if you roll out of it, we must also take into account the DoT effect.

Scales is not OP and does not need any kind of nerf in my opinion. People just need to stop mindlessly spamming snipe when a DK drinks red bull and flaps their wings.

They nerfed talons so that the radius doesn't allow you to instantly cc the player again after he/she rolls out... run after that or start attacking.
If you are having trouble getting their block down (Using this as an example since I know you're a nb ) keep shades on them. Even dks with a crap ton of stam cannot hold block when you keep shades on them, use mass hysteria and rapid strikes (dont use the latter if they have spiked armor btw)

Also I like the red bull reference

if talons was changed to where DKs cant keep players perma taloned, then the change has not worked in my favor, as i continue to be perma taloned by half the DKs i face.

It honestly would not be so bad if it was not all they did..... and it gets annoying.

speaking of getting thru block, i recelty faced a VR6 DK that could still keep his block up after i hit him 30-50 times with light attacks, WHILE having kept shades on him. It was one of the most ridiculous things i have ever seen in this game.

VERY annoying.

On the bright side though, it is good fun hitting a DK with sparks and watching all their flame whips miss while i attack them:) good fun

I had a guy do that to me, so i got tired of missing, spammed talons 8 times, dropped banner on his dead, walked away, got 800 AP

yes.... that was me:/ You were the one that ticked me off with your... no, lets discuss that via PM.

To all you people that made fun of me for complaining about talon spam... read pandas comment.... he has confirmed the statements I have been making about talon spamming for the past.... who knows how long.

good night:)

Cody

so im worth 800 AP eh? i guess thats not TOO bad....

Asgari

Cody wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

Are damage sponges and don't really mind them... siege the suckers... everything burns.

But DKs use fire..... how does one burn fire?:D

Im a DK who uses block cast. You have fought me before, i went on the attack multiple times while fighting you. However, i have fought a few DK 1v1 that rock heavy armor, s&b, scales, and are annoying as hell to fight. They literally just stand there and cinder storm, GDB, igneous shield.

The fights take forever to wear them down. As of late i just take a few steps back and then /lol and /boo them and RP walk away. They dont even attack me as i do it.

Gorthax

Cody wrote: »

The only DKs i consider OP are the perma block talon spammers. Talons does not grant immunity when broken, allowing the DK to keep you taloned the entire fight; not to mention talons does physical damage on cast, allowing the DK to do even more damage to you if you roll out of it, we must also take into account the DoT effect.

Scales is not OP and does not need any kind of nerf in my opinion. People just need to stop mindlessly spamming snipe when a DK drinks red bull and flaps their wings.

actually with the new tank ability where anyone who uses it can draw ALL projectiles to them instead of people around them, yea reflective scales NEEDS the nerf they are doing to it. Infinite reflection + all projectiles flying at you? Yea, needs to happen.

Asgari

Gorthax wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

The only DKs i consider OP are the perma block talon spammers. Talons does not grant immunity when broken, allowing the DK to keep you taloned the entire fight; not to mention talons does physical damage on cast, allowing the DK to do even more damage to you if you roll out of it, we must also take into account the DoT effect.

Scales is not OP and does not need any kind of nerf in my opinion. People just need to stop mindlessly spamming snipe when a DK drinks red bull and flaps their wings.

actually with the new tank ability where anyone who uses it can draw ALL projectiles to them instead of people around them, yea reflective scales NEEDS the nerf they are doing to it. Infinite reflection + all projectiles flying at you? Yea, needs to happen.

The reason scales was being nerfed before this announcement was all of the cry that its op from the bow users. I cant count how many clips i go through and have some class other than a DK standing point blank on me hitting me with bow attacks while im flapping in their face. This still wont change in 1.6 and people will wonder why they are still being killed from themselves and cry more nerf.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Simple counter to reflective scales. Stop using ranged abilities lol. It only last 4 seconds or so. I just time it before they cast again if really needed. I am a melee NB so I am not overly concerned with ranged attacks. With DK's I'll use my shadow image then teleport strike into melee range. I don't roll out of every talon since I am there to melee anyways not kite. The DoT isn't that huge and I need the stamina for blocking. I use dark cloak to remove dot and come out of stealth with a huge passive bonus to armor and spell resist. I use shield bash, light attack and surprise attack weaving to get their stamina down along with my shade. If need be I teleport to shade and give myself a HoT cloak to give myself a second to recover then teleport strike back in and use mass hysteria. I also use mass hysteria knowing they have stamina to break free simply to further reduce their damage output (combined with shade debuff) I use soul tether if it seems their blocking is getting ridiculous but normally if I fear them I time their break free and use soul harvest and do full damage or use teleport strike, soul harvest, surprise attack, impale if I get the full 4 second unblocked fear. That's enough to destroy them. Heck, that's enough to destroy anyone.