Angier Stower - working in two banks?!

Moonshadow66

I always wondered why Angier Stower is both the banker in Daggerfall AND in the Hollow City. How is this possible, does anyone know why?

Maotti

Because The Hollow city gets banker and merchants from all alliances.

I know that the one merchant in Stormhold shows up there, and also Irrki, the Khajiit who's in love with the dark elf enchanter, you meet her in Skywatch.

Moonshadow66

I see, thanks for the info
And I did f.e. meet the Khajiit and the Dark Elf in the Hollow City, but I wasn't aware (or I might have forgotten) that they are in Skywatch as well.

But the next odd thing now is, why don't all the now-citizens of the Hollow City just use a portal or wayshrine to get back to their homeland? If the others can travel forth and back, why not everyone? (Then again, the Hollow City would be pointless and empty, or not existant at all^^)
It's kinda weird..

kijima

Being a single parent in Tamriel is tough, even worse when you have two kids, both of which are at private School (College of Winterhold) and those School fee's have more sting than the giant Scorpians of Malaba Tor!

The only saving grace is Angier owns their home in Stormhold, but still paying off their holiday house on the water in Riften. While the Riften house was supposed to be an investment, the entire area has had a down turn,and with it's low socioeconomic's climate, it's not getting any better either.

Working two jobs is the only way to keep your head above water and away from the slaughter fish. If you want to get ahead in this world, you want that fancy open top carriage for your retirement, then work hard now.

Nestor

Raygee wrote: »

How is this possible, does anyone know why?

She is Moonlighting.

Trying to make money for a new Guar Mount she has been keeping an eye on. While you think Wayshrine travel is instant, it's not. It takes you the same amount of time to travel to and from Coldharbor that her shift takes. She has a faster way to get around that she is not sharing with anyone. Its like those pneumatic tubes the drive throughs at banks use.

Since she can only travel between the two banks, she wants the Guar so she can be free of Point to Point travel and go explore the land.

PSLAnimal

Raygee wrote: »

But the next odd thing now is, why don't all the now-citizens of the Hollow City just use a portal or wayshrine to get back to their homeland? If the others can travel forth and back, why not everyone?

They do. They're commuting now. They are just a lot faster than you, so you can leave Angier Stower in the Hollow City, wayshrine your butt over to Daggerfall...

...lo and behold, she's beaten you there.

Alternate explanation: Because magic.

Moonshadow66

So I guess it's more a "fantasy thing" how she and others are able to get from A to B so quickly^^
Thank you all for your nice replies

@Nestor I gave you an "awesome" for mentioning the Guar Mount (I looove Guars )

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Angier has a twin sister, Reigna. (No, not "Regina", she hates when people call her that.) Their trick is that they have two jobs, but declare income and pay the King's taxes only for one person. Their second job needs to be in a low profile place, like a forsaken corner of a Daedric realm, but they actually live a very good life in Daggerfall and take turns working the somewhat depressing shifts in Coldharbour. Their close friends know their secret, of course, but they throw such wonderful parties that nobody would ever think of telling on them.

And don't you go telling the King's guards about this now, or your bank items may suddenly go... missing.

Dagoth_Rac

Part of the storyline is people getting dragged to Coldharbour against their will. And pulling in some NPC you have already met is supposed to add to immersion. But actually removing Angier from Daggerfall, and having a version of Daggerfall where she is banker for some characters, but there is a replacement banker for players who have done the Hollow City quests? Probably added some phasing headaches that were just not worth the effort to overcome.

Enodoc

The simple answer to this is the timeline each zone is set in. All events in Glenumbra occur before events in Coldharbour.

Moonshadow66

@stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO
Angier <--> Reigna .. I see what you've done there
And don't worry, I won't tell the King^^

@Dagoth_Rac & @Enodoc As most of my characters (especially all Vets which have done the mainquest) are Pact members, I always get to see her right AFTER the events of Coldharbour, not before. So there's something really weird for all non-Covenant players. On the other hand, replacing her afterwards wouldn't be nice either, she's part of the Bank of Daggerfall.

It's the same thing with Darien Gautier or the last Ayleid King (which I just wrote about in another topic), the Covenant players get to see them already during questing through their zones, while for the other alliances players they first die in Coldharbour and still show up later in Vet DC. It just doesn't make any sense.

But thanks again for all your stories, they really add some more immersion to all this, although not IN-game

Enodoc

Raygee wrote: »

@stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO
Angier <--> Reigna .. I see what you've done there
And don't worry, I won't tell the King^^

@Dagoth_Rac & @Enodoc As most of my characters (especially all Vets which have done the mainquest) are Pact members, I always get to see her right AFTER the events of Coldharbour, not before. So there's something really weird for all non-Covenant players. On the other hand, replacing her afterwards wouldn't be nice either, she's part of the Bank of Daggerfall.

It's the same thing with Darien Gautier or the last Ayleid King (which I just wrote about in another topic), the Covenant players get to see them already during questing through their zones, while for the other alliances players they first die in Coldharbour and still show up later in Vet DC. It just doesn't make any sense.

But thanks again for all your stories, they really add some more immersion to all this, although not IN-game

On that note, consider that Cadwell's Silver/Gold takes place in an alternate timeline ("what would have happened if you'd washed up on a different beach"), and then the events still occur before Coldharbour in the timeline.

I find it odd that there are so many major (and minor) Covenant characters in Coldharbour; having not played through the Pact or Dominion very far yet, are some of the other major Coldharbour characters important in those storylines?

Moonshadow66

Enodoc wrote: »

Raygee wrote: »

@stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO
Angier <--> Reigna .. I see what you've done there
And don't worry, I won't tell the King^^

@Dagoth_Rac & @Enodoc As most of my characters (especially all Vets which have done the mainquest) are Pact members, I always get to see her right AFTER the events of Coldharbour, not before. So there's something really weird for all non-Covenant players. On the other hand, replacing her afterwards wouldn't be nice either, she's part of the Bank of Daggerfall.

It's the same thing with Darien Gautier or the last Ayleid King (which I just wrote about in another topic), the Covenant players get to see them already during questing through their zones, while for the other alliances players they first die in Coldharbour and still show up later in Vet DC. It just doesn't make any sense.

But thanks again for all your stories, they really add some more immersion to all this, although not IN-game

On that note, consider that Cadwell's Silver/Gold takes place in an alternate timeline ("what would have happened if you'd washed up on a different beach"), and then the events still occur before Coldharbour in the timeline.

I find it odd that there are so many major (and minor) Covenant characters in Coldharbour; having not played through the Pact or Dominion very far yet, are some of the other major Coldharbour characters important in those storylines?

Actually, you're right, I didn't consider this part ("what happened if.."). But at least it feels odd to meet all these "previously" dead characters again.

And yes, there are many from the Covenant (also f.e. Stibbons and Lady Laurent) in Coldharbour. Unfortunately, I cannot remember one from the Pact or the Dominion at the moment, though.

SantieClaws

She's actually an omnipresent sort of daedra - a servant of Sheogorath send to drive players to madness.

Moonshadow66

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

She's actually an omnipresent sort of daedra - a servant of Sheogorath send to drive players to madness.

Well, it's working already
I have to admit that only with my 4th character which finished the mainquest I noticed that the banker in the Hollow City is the very exact same one as in Daggerfall (before that, I didn't pay attention too much on names, unfortunately; in the previous ES games I did, though). Ever since I know there are "two" Angier Stowers, I sometimes look at her as if I'm seeing a ghost or something, and maybe it's just me, but she does have something mystical in her eyes
It feels even more spooky in the Hollow City than in Daggerfall since I still have that music and atmosphere glitch there where it doesn't change after completing the mainquest...

ThatHappyCat

HAVE YOU HEARD THE OLD SAYING, NEITHER A BORROWER NOR A LENDER BE???

RUBBISH!!!

Moonshadow66

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

HAVE YOU HEARD THE OLD SAYING, NEITHER A BORROWER NOR A LENDER BE???

RUBBISH!!!

I live in Germany, we have different sayings

Enodoc

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

HAVE YOU HEARD THE OLD SAYING, NEITHER A BORROWER NOR A LENDER BE???

RUBBISH!!!

Now that the dialogue is cancelled when you open the bank window, they could bring this back...

Circuitous

The storyline for the Hollow City involves shipping in volunteers to populate it and make it useful. It also adds a lot of interesting dialogue discussing their travel to Coldharbour and other such end-of-the-world stuff.

In the hypothetical single-player version of ESO, those NPCs would probably stay in Coldharbour (not appearing in their original locations anymore) until the crisis was resolved, and then return home. But since ESO can't (or doesn't want to) permanently change those zones for a player, they end up appearing in both places at once as the player accidentally zips through time as well as space in their travels.

TehMagnus

Raygee wrote: »

I always wondered why Angier Stower is both the banker in Daggerfall AND in the Hollow City. How is this possible, does anyone know why?

She needs two jobs to support her 5 children since her khajit lover OD'd on skooma and left her alone to take care of her family .

Woolenthreads

Raygee wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Raygee wrote: »

@stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO
Angier <--> Reigna .. I see what you've done there
And don't worry, I won't tell the King^^

@Dagoth_Rac & @Enodoc As most of my characters (especially all Vets which have done the mainquest) are Pact members, I always get to see her right AFTER the events of Coldharbour, not before. So there's something really weird for all non-Covenant players. On the other hand, replacing her afterwards wouldn't be nice either, she's part of the Bank of Daggerfall.

It's the same thing with Darien Gautier or the last Ayleid King (which I just wrote about in another topic), the Covenant players get to see them already during questing through their zones, while for the other alliances players they first die in Coldharbour and still show up later in Vet DC. It just doesn't make any sense.

But thanks again for all your stories, they really add some more immersion to all this, although not IN-game

On that note, consider that Cadwell's Silver/Gold takes place in an alternate timeline ("what would have happened if you'd washed up on a different beach"), and then the events still occur before Coldharbour in the timeline.

I find it odd that there are so many major (and minor) Covenant characters in Coldharbour; having not played through the Pact or Dominion very far yet, are some of the other major Coldharbour characters important in those storylines?

Actually, you're right, I didn't consider this part ("what happened if.."). But at least it feels odd to meet all these "previously" dead characters again.

And yes, there are many from the Covenant (also f.e. Stibbons and Lady Laurent) in Coldharbour. Unfortunately, I cannot remember one from the Pact or the Dominion at the moment, though.

Kireth and her brother, Raynor, Holgun, Walks-in-Ash and Dithis Romori all take part in quests in EP. Telenger takes part in a quest in AD. Skordo, Gabrielle Benele, Lady Laurent plus Stibbons and Darien Gautier are in quests in DC.

Interesting that there is only one coming from AD really.

MornaBaine

Also, it seems to be that the Coldharbour Angier is YOUNGER than the Daggerfall one. Or am I hallucinating?

Moonshadow66

MornaBaine wrote: »

Also, it seems to be that the Coldharbour Angier is YOUNGER than the Daggerfall one. Or am I hallucinating?

You are hallucinating^^ But seriously, they "both" do look slightly different indeed, but maybe it's the lighting in these two very different environments

Woolenthreads wrote: »

Raygee wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Raygee wrote: »

@stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO
Angier <--> Reigna .. I see what you've done there
And don't worry, I won't tell the King^^

@Dagoth_Rac & @Enodoc As most of my characters (especially all Vets which have done the mainquest) are Pact members, I always get to see her right AFTER the events of Coldharbour, not before. So there's something really weird for all non-Covenant players. On the other hand, replacing her afterwards wouldn't be nice either, she's part of the Bank of Daggerfall.

It's the same thing with Darien Gautier or the last Ayleid King (which I just wrote about in another topic), the Covenant players get to see them already during questing through their zones, while for the other alliances players they first die in Coldharbour and still show up later in Vet DC. It just doesn't make any sense.

But thanks again for all your stories, they really add some more immersion to all this, although not IN-game

On that note, consider that Cadwell's Silver/Gold takes place in an alternate timeline ("what would have happened if you'd washed up on a different beach"), and then the events still occur before Coldharbour in the timeline.

I find it odd that there are so many major (and minor) Covenant characters in Coldharbour; having not played through the Pact or Dominion very far yet, are some of the other major Coldharbour characters important in those storylines?

Actually, you're right, I didn't consider this part ("what happened if.."). But at least it feels odd to meet all these "previously" dead characters again.

And yes, there are many from the Covenant (also f.e. Stibbons and Lady Laurent) in Coldharbour. Unfortunately, I cannot remember one from the Pact or the Dominion at the moment, though.

Kireth and her brother, Raynor, Holgun, Walks-in-Ash and Dithis Romori all take part in quests in EP. Telenger takes part in a quest in AD. Skordo, Gabrielle Benele, Lady Laurent plus Stibbons and Darien Gautier are in quests in DC.

Interesting that there is only one coming from AD really.

You're right, I forgot some of these already.
Yesterday I thought I'll go back to finally complete the Coldharbour zone with my VR3 (I always forget this zone as soon Cadwell's Silver starts), I found even 2 more: Angof (DC) and Lady Estre (AD), they are at the "Cliffs of Failure".
Over the months after completing this zone with other characters, I forgot about most of the characters we'll meet there Maybe there're even more.

Dagoth_Rac

Raygee wrote: »

Yesterday I thought I'll go back to finally complete the Coldharbour zone with my VR3 (I always forget this zone as soon Cadwell's Silver starts), I found even 2 more: Angof (DC) and Lady Estre (AD), they are at the "Cliffs of Failure".
Over the months after completing this zone with other characters, I forgot about most of the characters we'll meet there Maybe there're even more.

The Angof encounter in Coldharbour is fascinating. Fantastic writing/storytelling!

Gidorick

Doppelgangers aren't unheard of in the world of Nirn.

"The old witches who sometimes came in to Daggerfall had sometimes spoke of doppelgangers, spirits that assumed the guise of their victims and portended certain death."

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Mystery_of_Talara,_Book_I

So... one of those Angier Stowers you saw was a Doppelganger. I assume the one in Hollow City. If the Doppelganger ever gets to Mundus they will track down their victim and kill them. Let's hope this doesn't happen!

Islyn

kijima wrote: »

Being a single parent in Tamriel is tough, even worse when you have two kids, both of which are at private School (College of Winterhold) and those School fee's have more sting than the giant Scorpians of Malaba Tor!

The only saving grace is Angier owns their home in Stormhold, but still paying off their holiday house on the water in Riften. While the Riften house was supposed to be an investment, the entire area has had a down turn,and with it's low socioeconomic's climate, it's not getting any better either.

Working two jobs is the only way to keep your head above water and away from the slaughter fish. If you want to get ahead in this world, you want that fancy open top carriage for your retirement, then work hard now.

I was gonna say. No love for single mums in Tamriel. (Even if the kids are mia!)

Lord_Kreegan

It's called "story"... the bane of all good gameplay. "Story" is fine when it doesn't kill immersion, but there are times when it just stomps that sucker flat (and makes replay suck).

If you've played through all the way to completion of the fight against Molag Bal, you probably noticed that the local (in-zone) plot lines get a little flaky after the third zones in each faction (relative to the quality of the stories in the earlier zones). More attention to detail is always paid in game development to early experiences for players, so that's normal.

There are a lot of breaks in the story lines the more you progress through the game; IMHO a couple of the zones are downright fractured. When you find something like that, use /feedback to let ZOS know. I suspect they pay more attention to that than forum gripes and whines.

Curragraigue

Raygee wrote: »

I always wondered why Angier Stower is both the banker in Daggerfall AND in the Hollow City. How is this possible, does anyone know why?

Because Coldharbour is hell so who better to have as the banker than the tormentor of all adventures.

"Have you heard the old saying... " [rolls up into a ball and slowly starts rocking to ward off the nightmare]