The Justice System and RP

Blud

Before going further, I just want to clarify that I'm not at all against the justice system. The more options and systems (that work as intended) in the game, the better.

I'm just curious how this will affect you from (1) an immersion point of view, and (2) from an RP perspective if you consider the story.

It just seems kind of strange that you would be The Great Hero and Savior of Tamriel and Slayer of Molag Bal and still be a petty thief taking stuff out of crates and barrels.

I know this could happen in any Elder Scrolls game. When I first started out as the Nerevarine, I was poor and took what I could get from those crates and barrels to get started, along with my money from Caius Cosades (remember him)? I stole a lot of stuff, especially from the vaults in Vivec and those Telvanni mages. That is the kind of thievery I could get in to. I even murdered a guy and took his house in Balmora. He was kind of a jerk, anyway. But I didn't really think about it in terms of the story. I just made my story as I went.

I was a bit disappointed that there wasn't any loot like that in Oblivion or Skyrim, to be honest. That's just one of the reasons Morrowind is my favorite game of all time.

Do you think there will be great heist targets like in the single player games (like in Morrowind)? Or is it just shopkeepers and crates and barrels?

How will this work for your immersion and RP, especially after slaying Molag Bal and saving Tamriel?

dharbert

Ah, RP'ers. The .001% of ESO.....

Blud

I'm not an RP'er, but I'm also not just looking at spreadsheets when I play, either. I do care about and love story and world, especially TES.

Come on. Don't tell me you don't find yourself getting immersed in the story and world sometimes!

Heishi

I don't really RP, but I do give my characters back stories which I use to influence decisions, whether persuade/intimidation will be used, and such.

I'd say:

Blud wrote: »

It just seems kind of strange that you would be The Great Hero and Savior of Tamriel and Slayer of Molag Bal and still be a petty thief taking stuff out of crates and barrels.

This is pretty much true. To keep it short it depends on who they are. I have a couple of characters who defeat molag bal purely for revenge and wanting their soul back, they consider helping people and rallying the groups to be a means to an end despite their selfish intent.

So a character can be a self serving thief and still find reason to save the world. the other option which my wife goes with on some of hers is that the main quest never happened. She does them to progress in the game, but considers it basically AU or didn't happen.

Cogo

dharbert wrote: »

Ah, RP'ers. The .001% of ESO.....

Aaah, the players who think .001% of the players in the MMO Role playing Game "Elder Scrolls Online" are RP'ers.
Maybe it was a typo and should say "100% of ESO are roleplaying, the roleplaying game?

@Blud
Just look how much they evolved The Justice system since Paul Sage announced it in July? We will get Skyrim justice in 10 fold! Cities with their own bounties. More shops that sells and buys. NPC who closes shops at night and have "lives".

Justice system is like ESO + Skyrim + way to little time to play!

NordJitsu

From a story perspective, I like to think that everyone is the great hero of Tamriel and no one is.

Does not make sense to have hundreds of thousands of Soulless ONES, yet clearly that's what we have. Seeming paradox.

So it's like this: when you're in your personal instanced story, you're the chosen one. When you're interacting with other players, we're all just people living in Tamriel.

Thus, you're only the chosen one in your own head and there is no conflict with PvP, the justice system, ect. ect.

Besides, who said all "heroes" are good guys? My Dragonborn may have killed Alduin, but he was also something of a summabich.

Heck, if you read into the story of Talos, he's not such a great guy either.

Cogo

@NordJitsu
I agree. Oghur is an *** at time. Honorable, sure. But "hero" doesnt mean "nice". When I find that #¤%"##"¤ Mage from the X storyline....there will be no NICE Oghur!

MornaBaine

There's always the anti-hero and the inadvertent hero...people who end up doing great things despite themselves. Han Solo is a great example of that, he's definitely a criminal but he ends up being, despite himself, one of the greatest heroes of all time. So, looked at that way, there really isn't a conflict. Plus, unless you're utterly deranged as well as evil, the idea of NOT opposing the planemeld and Molag Bal's effort to destroy and take over the world just doesn't make sense.

Cogo

Isn't that where Cadwell comes in? No matter what happens....there is always Cadwell!

The new SOLO FOCUSED Orc zone/city, that will be one giant Hallow city theme. Cyrodiil size, but for solo players with massive phasing and things just like Hollow city. A WHOLE zone evolving for YOU. I am so excited about that zone, that I keep forgetting the 2 other and OMG Justice system!!!

Molag Bal can do whatever he/she/it wants. I'm gonna save orcs and get goblin hirelings! If Molag wants Tamriel, then he/she/it has to go through Cyrodiil.

- Molag Bal...I wish you all the luck trying to beat Cyrodiil soldiers.
- Molag might try to enter Cyro.....but he/she/it will NEVER get to leave!

@MornaBaine
I agree totally with ye. But it IS a MMO. MMOs have pesky other players who don't like exactly what I like!!! (Weird!)

I think they have done the best of mixing lots of play-styles. STILL ESO is TES.
I STILL get lost in immersion when doing Cadwell ********* quests.

I just found a library in a bigger Craglorn quest with NEW books and text. You gained no skill or anything but deep description of serpents, warroriors and how stuffs connects!

I think they need to add not 1 but at least 3 NEW main stories that take you from your soul....and onwards. Should be optional to do the quests, do 1, all 3 or skip em. Again though, choices and effects.